LP Loss for Dodging

Postmortem·Feb 1, 2019·5 votes·2,900 views

Hi, I'm a Karthus onetrick since season 7. Sorry for my poor English writing. I'm not a native speaker. I only play this champion on this account because he is the only thing that I still enjoy playing in this game. Here is my op.gg: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=karthùs

This game is taking away the only thing that I still love now. I was on a win streak in Plat with my friend until I started to encounter Karthus bans over and over and over yesterday. To be exact, 8 dodges in a row is what I have experienced. Not only did the game punished me by giving me a 30 minutes queue, but also take away LP whenever I dodge. This is what triggers me. Let's face it. This game is not fun. I only still play it because my best friend is playing it, and I still enjoy playing Karthus every game. However, Karthus suddenly became a "meta" couple days ago. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING. I've been playing this Karthus jungle build since end of the season. Also I was called out multiple times by teammates for "trolling"(picking) as Karthus jungle. It's ironic that Karthus has not changed a bit after the dark harvest rework for almost a month. And people only started to ban him frequently as a jungler SINCE THIS WEEK BECAUSE PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS BROUGHT KARTHUS UNDER THE SPOTLIGHT.

Ok. I'm not very mad that my onetrick for 3 season suddenly becomes an S tier champion because some idiot thinks the dark harvest rework was legit. I'm not mad at all. But do you guys mind taking away the mechanic that takes away players' LP whenever the player dodges? I have a life. I don't have all days to play. So I want to keep a high winrate and small amount of games in order to climb. Now this is all pointless. Long waiting for punishment queues, LP loss for dodging because I don't get my onetrick. If this is something that RIOT rank designers added onto the system intentionally, I'm truly disappointed about this poor decision. And please, don't answer me by just saying "why don't you quit playing Karthus only and try some other champions?". First of all, this is a video game. I am allowed to play whoever I want as long as I don't cheat and be a bad sportsman. Secondly, I have another account that has masteries on every champion just so I can learn about my match-ups.

I'm just desperate right now after dodging my 8th queue that had a Karthus ban. He has been a champion that rarely anyone wanted to pick up until now. I'm glad that more and more people start to appreciate this champion. Yet I'm also sad that they "appreciate" this champion by perma-banning him instead of getting good and learning about this match up.

Please consider:

Change dark harvest, but not Karthus. Karthus did nothing wrong. We can't blame everything on the champion if it was just some designers who didn't even think about how well DH synergies with a champion that almost no one cared about.
Stop taking away LP for dodging. I literally lose more LP than I win in a game that I went 15-2 and carried.

I really hope that reducing the dodge punishment can be considered. Please don't flame if there isn't any disagreement. We can discuss about it like regular human beings, but not screaming beasts who try to eat each others alive.

20 Comments

hrooza dota Feb 1, 20192 votes

im sorry but you see they make ppl lose lp to decrease the amount of dodging in rank you might think (but its only 1 min queue!!) but what if a guy went through 20 dodges in a row because the champ this guy ban is an extremely common pick and ppl of that pick always dodge like you?

queue times punishment might be effective in normals because ppl in there dont mind changing champs much but in ranked a lot of one tricks will just dodge because their champion get banned and wont give a small fuck about queue time punishment

PostmortemFeb 1, 20195 votes

I understand that they want to decrease the amount of queue dodges in rank games. I totally get it. It's just painful to see my account losing lp for any reason but losing a game. That's all.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20191 votes

play a diff hero, it's not the system that's causing you to lose LP, it's your own choice

this might sound odd but a game with over 100 heroes shouldn't be geared towards one-tricks

PostmortemFeb 1, 20195 votes

Did you not read what I wrote under... I have played every single champion in the game and own them on a lower ranked account. I play Karthus to climb because he is fun for me, also I'm confident to take him to plat/diamond games instead of silver/gold games.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20191 votes

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PostmortemFeb 1, 20191 votes

First of all, I'm not rage quitting. I don't play the champion because I "feel like at the moment". I said I onetrick him. Besides, make some useful arguments instead of just saying "stop bitching". I'm only wondering now if you have ever receive some decent education.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20191 votes

how about I'll make one after you make one besides "dont punish me for dodging"

bc from what I can tell that's all your thread is

Kasumi YashiroFeb 1, 20191 votes

Although the game itself isn't geared towards one-tricks, winning in ranked certainly is. One tricking allows for a large advantage as you can be greatly familiar with a champion and not have to worry about what to do mechanically, allowing you to look at the map or think about when to trade. Most high elo players play one role, and a great many of those players play one champion.

Also, from your op.gg you are an unranked who plays only ARAM and bot games so you don't really have the most informed background about the subject.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20192 votes

again, why on earth would you assume this is my only account, a very obtuse assumption and frankly a childish attempt at a personal attack (btw literally nothing about a persons rank or game mode preference has any bearing on PLAYER BEHAVIOR) but moving on

One tricking has its advantages, sure. But it's a double edged sword, if you want the benefits that come with knowing one champion inside and out, you have to take the disadvantage that comes when that guy gets banned. Sure you can dodge, but to expect to do so WITHOUT PENALTY over and over until you get the champ you want is just silly

hrooza dota Feb 1, 20191 votes

i mean its painful but what we can do? its a needed thing imo as much as it being painful to some players

you can wait on playing ranked until kar leave the jungle meta and become less of a ban

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20191 votes

are you really blaming RIOT when your one-trick gets banned?

this is a first for me

PostmortemFeb 1, 20195 votes

It's been multiple seasons for people to not give a single fuck about Karthus. Now he is banned in every game. Fuck yeah I blame that on the community that screams about how broken Karthus is when there are things like essence reaver Jax exist.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20191 votes

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PostmortemFeb 1, 20195 votes

Please tell me you are trying to make an argument instead of insulting people for giving their opinion. I have already answered ur question. Pardon me for this, but please gain some experience on ladder before you jump into the conclusion saying "it's your fault for playing one champion and trying to get good at the game."

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20192 votes

so you're assuming this is my one and only account when you yourself admit to having multiple...nice attempt at rank shaming though

your point is (unless i'm mistaken) that you shouldn't lose LP for games that you dodge bc your one hero got banned

I'm saying that's a joke and RIOT shouldn't change their current system to accommodate people who one-trick then ragequit when they dont get their way

SWAIN B0TFeb 1, 20191 votes

Dodging isn't rage-quitting tho. Nobody else loses the game because someone dodges. If you get your champ banned and you know that you won't win because of it, dodging is what you do. Same thing if you have a terrible team comp.

CharDeeMcDennizFeb 1, 20192 votes

quitting the game bc something didn't go the way you want it to is rage quitting, sorry

Eat More KittensFeb 4, 20191 votes

in my elo i cant dodge enough especially when new champs come out like id like to dodge whenever i see a sylas with a 13% winrate only my team but i cant cus ive already dodged due to my malphite and pantheon supports earlier

Imperial PandaaFeb 4, 20191 votes

No. Dodging needs to have repercussions as to avoid actively encouraging it. A queue dodge timer is not effectively enough.

Assuming you are only looking at LP and not promo series too, you are still giving people too much power to control if others get to play. You are focusing on the "my one trick gets banned" and not everything else. Maybe I want to play Sion support and I do it well. Someone dodged because "Sion doesn't support" (despite having a great ability to do so). Now I'm back in queue that can be fast or slow depending on time of day. Another pop. This time someone didn't get the champ they wanted and dodges. Back in queue. "Oh. All AD team. Bye" dodges.

There are also people who leave queue if someone dodges because they assume there was a troll and don't want to risk the new pop putting them together.

Jo0oFeb 5, 20191 votes

Isn't this just a risk that you accept when you decide to become a one-trick? High-profile one-trick players like Tobias Fate or Yassuo still have alternate champs they'll play in a pinch.