How about we educate trolls instead of punishing those who actually want to win through teamwork?

Runaway Child··2 votes·760 views

Good evening,

This might seem like a little rant but I've been encountering way too many troll supports recently on the rift and verbally abusive players in other lanes who end up taking the side of the accused. Yet it seems when i try to speak sense and logic in chat, I get pinged as the one at fault and fingers pointed at me for being "negative"/"toxic". In the end, I get chat restricted and punished back to level 0 honor. This feedback system is flawed, it doesn't take into account aggregation nor does it take into account true negative behavior (just like true damage, get it?)

Image Below: Lee one of the people that take Rakans side, says "AND AGAIN GG BRAUM" where braum is actually with his adc, helping him negate damage and ensuring jinx gets ahead. (By means of staying with jinx in lane and helping her avoid gangks through propper warding)

This may seem too far off into a future for a plan, but choosing a role and fulfilling the role is something completely different. When you choose support.. actually support your adc.. not troll and argue that your adc is "bad" when that adc gets lane bullied and outplayed.

Link to image: (I've edited it to hide the names of players accursed to prevent name shaming)

https://imgur.com/a/sML2Y

P.s 24 hours later, I've now been perma banned for "negative behavior" through arguing, honestly.. chat should just be removed if you ban people for using it to argue with opinionated comments.

20 Comments

Chermorg2 votes

Hey, to start I’ve removed your images as the boards prohibit naming/shaming other players. If you have questions about this policy please refer to the Universal Rules in the sidebar or contact us in the Boards Moderation Discord server.

That being said, please keep in mind that if someone is legitimately trolling then they will not be educated no matter how much you try. In fact, this is what many trolls want - they want to get a reaction out of you or others and that usually comes in the form of trying to “educate” them or telling them they’re wrong. There’s no reason to feed the trolls. Just report them if you feel their behavior is inappropriate, and move on.

One Punch Mãn1 votes

What about youtube and reddit naming/shaming other players?

Telephone Booth2 votes

I remember recently I got yelled at as braum for "being behind" when our initiator went in (I forget who, but he had alot of mobility). My ADC defended me immediately, saying; "he's peeling like he's supposed to". A lot of people think tank=initiator. They don't realize braum's strengths and the role of protecting the DPS carry. He wasn't a troll. He was just an asshole. I didn't report him, I didn't argue with him. I just kept playing. It's not a big deal. I'm not a coach, he isn't asking for advice, I don't care if he thinks he's right. He will stay whatever rank he is if he continues with that mentality and I can only hope he learns one day. I'm smart enough to know that no matter what I said, he wouldn't actually learn anything under that circumstance.

I wish more people would understand that. Stop trying to teach everyone everything. Just accept that egos will get in the way when people are in a match. They don't want their allies coaching them, they want to be the coach. The most knowledgeable, skilled player in the match. So when people bitch at you and it frustrates you, just mute them. There's no pointing in holding a clinic in the middle of a match and "educating" players. They can look for educational videos on their own time if they want to improve.

Runaway Child1 votes

It's not a means of teaching them everything, it's asking them to play a role that's supposed to "peel" for their adc, how do i adc when my support roams out of lane and i get camped initiated on? This isn't a 1 time thing, this happens in various games and it's pure denial if someone doesn't understand this. I never think of myself as a high tier player or someone who is superior than other players, i only think of myself as having a certain mindset into how something would turn out positive if a certain tactic is played right. Secondly, if they want to be the coach good for them however they can't actually "learn" as you would say, if they play terribly and don't play for the sake of their "ADC". It's simple logic. Lastly, sure i should be avoiding chats and remove the chat box, but that's my one way of communicating with good players who actually display teamwork, so I am faced between two types of people.

Eridu1 votes

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Runaway Child1 votes

Mind elaborating?

Eridu1 votes

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Telephone Booth2 votes

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there are also people that play that have mental health circumstances such as being bipolar. not much you can do about that.

Yeah but just because you're bipolar, doesn't mean it's okay to just be an asshole. I dated a bipolar girl and lived with her for 6 years. Sweetest girl I've ever known. If you're an asshole and blame it on bipolar, you're probably just an asshole.

Eridu2 votes

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Telephone Booth1 votes

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maybe you dont understand that, that diagnosis isnt the same for everyone. some are a lot more severe than others. dating a girl and living with her doesnt mean you understand how much it varies.

i almost think you made that up completely but ill have to take your word for it anyway.

still ignorant just the same.

Yeah it was ignorant. But I kind of meant like, she's just a sweet person, though she has bipolar so when she'd drink she turned into a very confrontational, oddly evil person. Like she would really take some digs at me when she was drunk and occasionally just start punching me with an evil grin on her face. It really was worrisome, but since it was only when drinking I took it as a symptom of being drunk, not being bipolar. It is ignorant of me to rationalize it in the way I did though, of course it affects everyone differently. She cheated on me btw and it's hard to compliment her this way hahahaha. But it's the truth. In the end, you're right, I should have kept my mouth shut, I'm no doctor.

Karunamon1 votes

The education consists of the ability to be tapped on the shoulder 3 separate times and told your chat is unacceptable before being banned from the game.

Given that toxicity statistically makes your team less likely to win, anyone who can't keep a civil tongue in their head is more concerned about their ego than the game.

Runaway Child1 votes

I can't even begin to show you how mistaken you are. I find it hilarious that you side with vulgar beasts. you must be one yourself

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

how about educating kids on what is or is not trolling?

if i take teemo support i get called troll. roam mid to try to make a play - i am Definitely a troll. and then i come back to bot and 'ks' - now im reported and the adc is going afk. and when i start a surrender vote because we are 4v5 and losing 20 to 6 i must be trolling and the rest of the team is reporting me.

Runaway Child1 votes

Only poor minded individuals would think your a troll based on a champion select. as long as you have intent to help your team and display teamwork I would honor you for valiant effort, but if you just completely ditch your adc that ends up having to lane against 2 enemy champions who are ahead and dive you easily, then call out your adc for feeding where he/she defends themselves by explaining the situation, the most you could do is say "sorry but lets try to win this". (My attitude would flip to appreciate your understanding of a mistake and attempt to salvage a win)

Eridu1 votes

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Runaway Child1 votes

No kill potential? So once I'm 0/2 as adc, my support should roam, leave me, then shame me for having a negative kda and not being able to carry myself back up.

Your scenario: Two kids and a guardian are in the park riding bikes Kid 1: Accelerates and manages to ride the bike perfectly fine and manages to dodge other humans and stay on the path Kid 2: Accelerates and looses control and falls off. Guardian helps him back up but same mistake happens. Guardian leaves Kid in park to learn and find his way back home leading to an unfortunate circumstance.

I presume you side with the guardian actions and treatment of Kid 2?

AJStarhiker1 votes

... I have played a non-trolling Teemo Support before. It's a very different build and play-style from Top, so trying to shoehorn that would be trolling. But his mushrooms can give a massive boost to vision, so like I said, you would need a build to capitalize on that.

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