My Permanent ban

KmM00zwaCr··3 votes·1,611 views

So im not even going to try and argue the ridiculous system that is in place, i agree i was toxic i am toxic in games far too much but its one of the reasons i am able to get to a high level in most games i play because i don't expect less than perfection and if i see someone do something wrong i tell them, if they don;'t listen i sometimes get mad.

My issue is that i have just received a permanent ban for being toxic, you will see the chat below but all i say is f you and your shit etc. All things that adults say in sports and in life. I get perm bans for things like kill yourself and real dark shit but banning me permanently for telling someone to f off its a joke.

My real issue is this, the amount of games people have told me to die, or get cancer (a common insult in some countries in Europe) and i always report them and nothing happens, as someone who suffers from pancreatic cancer i find this to be unreal. I am sick every single day, i havent eaten a meal since 8 may 2015 without being sick. not once in nearly a year. And people can say that and not get banned, i dont care if its a first offence or whatever, if someone tells me to go die of cancer and i report them nothing happens, but when i say your shit to some guy who doesnt use his ult for 25 mins of a game i get perm banned. What the hell is this system.

I will post the chat logs below, like i said, yeh im being toxic, but in my opinion nothing there steps over the line.

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KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Game 1 WaxHax: jarvan WaxHax: invade vayne WaxHax: like WaxHax: at his blue WaxHax: jarvan WaxHax: invad ehis blu WaxHax: wp kalista WaxHax: wp WaxHax: good job WaxHax: save ur heal WaxHax: fucking idiot WaxHax: x9 kalista WaxHax: ty WaxHax: why do u ask for adc WaxHax: and then play ;likle this WaxHax: seriously WaxHax: useloess WaxHax: use WaxHax: rend WaxHax: maybe WaxHax: what WaxHax: this guy is a shit %%%% WaxHax: pro WaxHax: wp WaxHax: both of u WaxHax: wp WaxHax: fucking amazing WaxHax: dont listen to me WaxHax: and go back WaxHax: no WaxHax: just feed WaxHax: 2 kills WaxHax: wp WaxHax: very good idea WaxHax: x9 kalista ty WaxHax: will do WaxHax: just make sure u get kalista too WaxHax: thanks WaxHax: baited WaxHax: idiot WaxHax: amazing WaxHax: we lost this game WaxHax: diana ur feeding WaxHax: and kalista too WaxHax: diana fights 1v5 all game WaxHax: uklt WaxHax: ult me WaxHax: ULT ME U STUPID FUCK WaxHax: please WaxHax: x9 kalista WaxHax: x9 diana WaxHax: diana only fights 1v3 WaxHax: and kalista wont use ult WaxHax: once WaxHax: in 290 mins WaxHax: 20 min game WaxHax: 0 uklt WaxHax: ULT WaxHax: USE UR FUCKING ULT WaxHax: ............. WaxHax: PLEASE X9 KALISTA WaxHax: 20 MINS 0 ULT WaxHax: WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WaxHax: wp kalista WaxHax: amazingh WaxHax: surrender plz WaxHax: u guys are just WaxHax: 0 fun WaxHax: kalista farming jungle ftw WaxHax: crabs xD WaxHax: OMG WaxHax: SHE ULTED WaxHax: WOW WaxHax: only 23 mins game WaxHax: she did it WaxHax: wp kalista WaxHax: only 23 mins WaxHax: u did it WaxHax: lol WaxHax: lol WaxHax: surrender plz WaxHax: we wont win this game WaxHax: with this kalistra WaxHax: we wont win WaxHax: welcome to league WaxHax: my team wont surrender =[ WaxHax: lol trist WaxHax: 100 cs in 30 mins xD WaxHax: omg WaxHax: lmfao WaxHax: 100 cs in 20 mins WaxHax: is also terrible WaxHax: trist WaxHax: ur so bad WaxHax: and ur talking WaxHax: ur so fucking bad WaxHax: 123 cs in 35 mins WaxHax: and ur talking WaxHax: i mean WaxHax: cmon WaxHax: xD WaxHax: 123 cs WaxHax: in 35 min games WaxHax: xD WaxHax: kalista is also bad WaxHax: ~and even she has 70 cs lead WaxHax: over u WaxHax: lol WaxHax: ULT ME WaxHax: end WaxHax: wp trist

Game 2 WaxHax: fuck WaxHax: so close WaxHax: np WaxHax: my bad WaxHax: i took it too long WaxHax: udry with farm WaxHax: easy game WaxHax: so WaxHax: just keep going xD WaxHax: just rush ur ruinic now WaxHax: mf WaxHax: lets go all in WaxHax: on thresh WaxHax: sivir backed WaxHax: easy kill WaxHax: he is alone WaxHax: no WaxHax: ahir WaxHax: stay mid WaxHax: i ward WaxHax: i gota go WaxHax: not worth WaxHax: no WaxHax: not qworth WaxHax: at all WaxHax: we are winning WaxHax: dont throw it WaxHax: udyr WaxHax: yu can solo drake WaxHax: i will come if u need a tank WaxHax: u need more farm man WaxHax: wtf WaxHax: thois tea, WaxHax: throwing WaxHax: ur throwing WaxHax: stfu udry WaxHax: u got 4 kills at 2 mins WaxHax: and ur level is below enemy jungle WaxHax: ur so shit WaxHax: how do u farm so bad WaxHax: we lost this game u all throw WaxHax: udyr just wants to throw WaxHax: i guess WaxHax: u can solo drake WaxHax: udyr WaxHax: but u solo shit barron WaxHax: i duno why WaxHax: such a bad move WaxHax: UDYR WaxHax: WTF WaxHax: report udyr plz WaxHax: he was in the bush the whole time WaxHax: wtf WaxHax: u baited me so hard WaxHax: we dont need her WaxHax: we have 2v1 WaxHax: sej was alone WaxHax: ur so bad man WaxHax: sreriously WaxHax: surrdenr plz WaxHax: i cba to play with this team WaxHax: thats the first time i see we have a tahm on our team WaxHax: all game WaxHax: like WaxHax: seriously WaxHax: i didnt even know we had a tahm WaxHax: on our team WaxHax: wtf is he doing WaxHax: no joke thats the first time i see tah,m all game xD WaxHax: i didnt know we have a tahm on our team until just then WaxHax: lmfao WaxHax: lol xD WaxHax: baited WaxHax: surrender WaxHax: i really dont wana play WaxHax: sorry WaxHax: nty WaxHax: hahahaha WaxHax: lol thresh miss every hook xD WaxHax: gg WaxHax: lol WaxHax: how do u get 4 kills WaxHax: in 2 mins WaxHax: of a game WaxHax: then by 5 mins WaxHax: ur 1 level behind WaxHax: xD WaxHax: omg this crab WaxHax: impossible to kill WaxHax: gg WaxHax: easy mode WaxHax: xD

Game 3 WaxHax: why did u go WaxHax: when im like 100 hp WaxHax: wtf WaxHax: im 100 hp WaxHax: dontgo WaxHax: come bot again WaxHax: with ult WaxHax: ww WaxHax: wait me WaxHax: why WaxHax: why didnt u come WaxHax: ww WaxHax: wtf WaxHax: from what WaxHax: shen came bot WaxHax: must be nice having a team ez WaxHax: they chase us WaxHax: for half the map WaxHax: and no1 comes WaxHax: wow WaxHax: GIVE ME PLZ WaxHax: w WaxHax: u dont need blue WaxHax: dont fight WaxHax: why did u fight WaxHax: 3v5 WaxHax: lets barron WaxHax: why didnt u all come top WaxHax: man WaxHax: please WaxHax: i will solo it WaxHax: can u tank barron WaxHax: we could barron WaxHax: easily WaxHax: why u go for tanks WaxHax: and not annie WaxHax: dont die WaxHax: ww WaxHax: report morg WaxHax: ty WaxHax: poppy WaxHax: why u focus thresh xD WaxHax: we can barron WaxHax: poppy WaxHax: WHY IS MY TEAM WaxHax: ONLY LEAVING ME ALONE WaxHax: HOLY SHIT WaxHax: noob WaxHax: he goes invisible WaxHax: and kills mes WaxHax: what can i do WaxHax: i need a fcuking support WaxHax: wp 21-8 we will lose if u keep letting me die WaxHax: just protect me WaxHax: dont chase WaxHax: 0 protection WaxHax: stupid fucking team WaxHax: cant u see WaxHax: they are just focusing me down WaxHax: instantly WaxHax: wtf WaxHax: r u doing WaxHax: SO PROTECT ME WaxHax: SAVE UR FUCKING ULT WaxHax: AND PROTECT ME FROM KAZIX WaxHax: UR SO SHIT WaxHax: we lost tbh WaxHax: gg WaxHax: report all my shit team

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

So just to explain, i agree im being toxic, nothing more or less than i would do in a game of football or rugby which i played when i was younger and before i was diagnosed.

When i spend so much money in this game i think a perm ban for that is a joke, maybe a perm chat ban i would get that, to protect the younger players from foul language, i guess that makes sense, but banning me permanently for being rude.. and then letting people say "die of cancer" to me in games, and then i report them and add them and i see they are not banned, they are fine.

Its like the people doing these tribunals are like children, adults swear, i agree its not nice. Maybe im unaware of the age limit of this game and therefore i am not behaving correctly infront of minors. But you dont get anywhere in anything in life if you dont put effort into it and really want to win, with that comes so toxicity when you see a team mate throwing away your win.

TLDR; Don't ban people for being rude if your not going to ban people for saying unforgivable stuff like die of cancer etc. I had a guy say to me, i hope you die of cancer and you parents die of it too. I reported him ofcourse, added him, and hes playing and chilling no ban no nothing.

EvilDustMan3 votes

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So just to explain, i agree im being toxic, nothing more or less than i would do in a game of football or rugby which i played when i was younger and before i was diagnosed.

When i spend so much money in this game i think a perm ban for that is a joke, maybe a perm chat ban i would get that, to protect the younger players from foul language, i guess that makes sense, but banning me permanently for being rude.. and then letting people say "die of cancer" to me in games, and then i report them and add them and i see they are not banned, they are fine.

Its like the people doing these tribunals are like children, adults swear, i agree its not nice. Maybe im unaware of the age limit of this game and therefore i am not behaving correctly infront of minors. But you dont get anywhere in anything in life if you dont put effort into it and really want to win, with that comes so toxicity when you see a team mate throwing away your win.

TLDR; Don't ban people for being rude if your not going to ban people for saying unforgivable stuff like die of cancer etc. I had a guy say to me, i hope you die of cancer and you parents die of it too. I reported him ofcourse, added him, and hes playing and chilling no ban no nothing.

It's not the swearing. It's the insults.

KmM00zwaCr2 votes

Oh by the way the guy who told me to die of cancer was the udyr in the chat above. So maybe you can see why i reacted. As someone who suffers from cancer. Honestly its unreal how this is one of the top games in the world when you perm ban adults who put money into your game but dont do anything to kids going around saying die to cancer to every player they meet. I want this ban to be revoked ofcourse because i enjoy league at times and it helps distract me from feeling sick. But in some ways i think it might be best if i find a new distraction because i try my best with this game, i try to not be toxic and at times. Im feeling sick and i react to someone telling me to die of cancer, when i am currently dying of cancer. And fuck all happens to him while i am perm banned. What the actual fuck.

Try being sick every single fucking day for nearly a year, having stomach pain every day for nearly a year, and then being told to go and get the illness you already have. I have a kid i might not live to see grow up. And then you play a game to distract your mind from all the shit you deal with, and then some kid reminds you of it and you snap. Im the fucking bad guy here. Ofcourse. Fuck this system

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

If you actually said that in a regulated game of football or any other sport, you would get thrown out faster then an ulted Quinn with Homeguards

KmM00zwaCr2 votes

You have never played football then, you can swear all you want. When i played rugby i talked shit all game to the other team, look at professional cricket for example. they talk shit all game. Its part of sports.

Edit - im not saying its a good or a bad thing, and like i said if children play league and the age limit is lower than i think it is or whatever, then i agree its wrong to swear infront of children, but its not perm ban wrong at all, especially if i can say die of cancer all i want with no repercussions.

EvilDustMan1 votes

The person who said get cancer will get punished. And no. There's no excuse for your chat logs. At all. This doesn't make people play better. Asking the enemy team to report your 'shit team' does nothing for the game.

Ban deserved.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

He still has not been punished. And it has happened countless times before to me, telling someone to get cancer is common in places like Holland and other countries close by, they say it all the time. Nothing happens.

Edit - Plus honestly if a perm ban is "deserved" for calling you team shit, then i guess i need to leave this game. Its like no one in the tribunal system ever played a real sport, if you play a sport a competitive sport and you team scores an own goal or loses the ball, you tell them first, then 2nd time you tell them in a more aggressive way, and third time you dont play with them again and you tell them in no uncertain terms they are shit.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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He still has not been punished. And it has happened countless times before to me, telling someone to get cancer is common in places like Holland and other countries close by, they say it all the time. Nothing happens.

Edit - Plus honestly if a perm ban is "deserved" for calling you team shit, then i guess i need to leave this game. Its like no one in the tribunal system ever played a real sport, if you play a sport a competitive sport and you team scores an own goal or loses the ball, you tell them first, then 2nd time you tell them in a more aggressive way, and third time you dont play with them again and you tell them in no uncertain terms they are shit.

Go play and constantly call your team shit. At the end of a chat log like this? I'd be impressed if you didn't earn a punch in the mouth.

And you don't always get so and so player is punished messages. But they do.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

I played sports all my life until i was diagnosed pal. I constantly talked shit. It helps me play better to have some aggression in me. I played rugby for my university and football since i was about 6. So yeh maybe i got a in a few fights in my life in sports, but talking shit and making people own their mistakes is part of sport. If you make your team lose a game you should feel bad. Yeh its not the end of the world, but at the same time its not a joke.

Like i said its hard to explain this kinda relationship to someone who doesnt play sports and therefore treats esports like a ideal version of sport. Esports is sport all the same imo.

The7thSeal1 votes

Report calling, passive aggressive comments, actual flaming (screaming "MY TEAM IS SHIT" is still flaming, regardless of how true it is), blaming your team for pretty much every thing that goes wrong, mocking allies, etc. Yeah, you may not think this was over the line, but clearly it is. Besides, you got bans/restrictions prior to this. You must have known this was coming if you continued.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

I thought perm bans were saved for people who said unforgivable shit like die of cancer, but clearly i was wrong.

The7thSeal1 votes

You were, and that's your fault for believing yourself to be immune to the ban hammer.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Not believing i was immune at all, just not feeling like i deserved it at any point during my time playing this game. I never stepped over the line, in my opinion, calling a shit person shit after trying to help them isn't a terrible thing to do.

disregardable1 votes

How many games did you play before you got banned? At minimum 3 chat logs +10 chat restrict + 25 chat restrict = 38 games. And realistically, you played many more games than that.

The system is just treating everyone else the same way it treated you. Give you a hundred chances, wait for you to not reform, THEN ban.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

i never had a chat restrict for 25 games. had one for 7 or 9 i think.

Edit probably 10, i dont remember but it wasnt very long, and i had a 1 week ban never a 2 week ban. and the 1 week ban was about 1 month ago i think

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

you skipped the 25 restriction then cause you were toxic enough.

And there are only 14 day bans + perm bans. Your match history says you play like everyday BUT there are no games between 25.01.16 and 08.02.16 which are exactly 14 days.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Yeh your right i did get the 14 day ban. Didn't realise it was 14 days tbh, also i got another 14 day ban about 9 months ago, Like i said several times here, i deserve this perm ban, the problem is that if your giving out perm bans for what i did, then why are people who say terrible shit not punished.

Its a terrible system, there are several other threads in which the clear majority says that the system sucks, people get banned for bs reasons while the mass of 12 year olds telling people to cut themselves or die etc get nothing.

There is currently a thread about how riot doesnt tell us the true number of people banned because they use % based on players since the game was released not since the ban system was implemented.

All of this is important stuff instead of focusing on my chat log, which i provided as proof that all i did was swear. Focus on the fact that like i said above, i can go on my smurf, tell people to die of cancer and nothing will happen, but if i swear in 10 games ill get banned. IMO swearing in 100 games is better than 1 time telling someone to die of cancer. Even 1000 games.

As someone who suffers from cancer and sees other people who suffer from it i can tell you its much worse to wish that on someone that it is to say to someone, your shit.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Lol im so glad i made this thread, it just shows to me even more that this is a good thing. I used league to distract myself, but im distracting myself with a game that is not made for people like me.

Even other players seem to think that this is the right thing to do. Its that internet mentality that i cant stand and i think i was actually choosing to be a part of it.

Any adult who has played any sport at a competitive level knows shit talk exists and its not going away. They also know that calling someone shit is ok but saying die of cancer is not. But here, you call someone shit 3 or 4 times and thats a perm ban, you say i hope you and your parents die of cancer and thats all good. Its a shitty system enforced by people who haven't got the real life experience to see why its shitty, enjoy your game looks like im going back to csgo.

The7thSeal1 votes

There is a difference between shit talk and verbal abuse. It would be best to learn it.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Again clearly someone who doesn't understand what im trying to say, heres an example. I would constantly say, this is easy, loud and clear for the other team to win, when we were ahead in games. "Fuck me lads i might sit down this is too easy, does anyone want a drink ill go to the shop quickly" etc. all game. This is a very good way to make people your against tilt and play worse.

The7thSeal1 votes

Yes, that is shit talk. What you said to your allies in those chat logs was verbal abuse/flaming.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

If you can't see the other half of a conversation you can't really tell tbh. I can see this is going nowhere so im just going to leave it, the ban is fine its the lack of consistency i hate. This game is full of people like you, and the tribunal system clearly is too, swearing at people is wrong ifsofacto ban worthy. Just go and play a real sport and learn something.

Esports will never be mainstream until people treat it like a sport.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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If you can't see the other half of a conversation you can't really tell tbh. I can see this is going nowhere so im just going to leave it, the ban is fine its the lack of consistency i hate. This game is full of people like you, and the tribunal system clearly is too, swearing at people is wrong ifsofacto ban worthy. Just go and play a real sport and learn something.

Esports will never be mainstream until people treat it like a sport.

This is a game people play to relax. And you have fewer social graces than a hamster. You won't be missed.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Did you not read where i said i play it to relax and avoid thinking about feeling sick. Honestly go back to living in your idealist perfect world bullshit. The problem is clear to me. Im playing a game where i will never fit into the community, this is a hardcore, wow style commitment, wow style community game. Made for that kind of gamer, which i am not.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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Did you not read where i said i play it to relax and avoid thinking about feeling sick. Honestly go back to living in your idealist perfect world bullshit. The problem is clear to me. Im playing a game where i will never fit into the community, this is a hardcore, wow style commitment, wow style community game. Made for that kind of gamer, which i am not.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, boyo, do it somewhere else.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

How much time do you have free that you spend it arguing with someone on a board... seriously. It must be allot.

I made this to discuss the problem with bans being more about number of offences than actual offence. There are other similar threads with actual discussions about this, about the reason for long q time etc etc. But your just being a typical person online, acting in a way you would never in real life. I despise that quality in people.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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How much time do you have free that you spend it arguing with someone on a board... seriously. It must be allot.

I made this to discuss the problem with bans being more about number of offences than actual offence. There are other similar threads with actual discussions about this, about the reason for long q time etc etc. But your just being a typical person online, acting in a way you would never in real life. I despise that quality in people.

Bans are not based entirely on frequency of toxicity, but also severity. Your chat logs are pretty sever, therefore it is plausible you may have skipped a tier. And yes. Because I don't deal with people who don't understand how to talk reasonably.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

No its your condescending passive aggressive attitude that, in real life, does not stand. And not even the hardest mother fucker acts that way.

You just do it because you on your computer and you, like many other people, have the issue of thinking its ok to act one way online and another way in real life.

I'm done replying to you to be honest buddy. There are countless threads agreeing with my point here. And much worse cases than mine where people have spent thousands on their account only to lose it, so im not really going to lose any sleep here, im simply making a point, but trying to explain any of this to you is like trying to explain evolution to 65% of America, it just does not compute.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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No its your condescending passive aggressive attitude that, in real life, does not stand. And not even the hardest mother fucker acts that way.

You just do it because you on your computer and you, like many other people, have the issue of thinking its ok to act one way online and another way in real life.

I'm done replying to you to be honest buddy. There are countless threads agreeing with my point here. And much worse cases than mine where people have spent thousands on their account only to lose it, so im not really going to lose any sleep here, im simply making a point, but trying to explain any of this to you is like trying to explain evolution to 65% of America, it just does not compute.

Or trying to explain how the ban system works to you. Or trying to explain how insulting has no place in the game chat.

KmM00zwaCr1 votes

Im going to go on my smurf account today, play a game and tell someone to die of cancer, and i fucking guarentee, 100% confidence here. I will not get perm banned, i might get a warning, thats it.

Because its not about the crime its about the amount of times you break the rules. Fucking joke.

MasterSomething1 votes

Well deserved ban. So horribly toxic... Honestly, just because you spend money, you aren't free to do whatever you want or get lesser punishments. And adults don't say this in real life. They say it in work and get marked. They say it in a store and get asked to leave. Also, even though you report them, you don't know they won't get punished. They get punished and you get notified when you are the last report to get them punished.

FrankerX1 votes

"you're so bad" "you suck" "surrender pls" "USE YOUR FUCKING ULT"

the doesnt look like telling ppl that they did something wrong lol.

Linthe1 votes

Yea, you were clearly toxic.. In all 3 logs.

Perma ban isnt the 1st punishment so Im sure it wasnt just these 3.

GG

McAnnex1 votes

I come to this area of the forum to be reminded that people like you are actively being removed from the game I love. I hope you rejoin the community and show basic respect to those around you trying to enjoy themselves.

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