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Banned for defending myself

K1BiH··2 votes·1,501 views

SO i just got off a suspension like 2 days ago (to be fair i was beyond frustrated with this game) and i come back feeling ready to play some ranked. so i join a few games won most of them and then i get on a 3 game losing streak all due to trolls. first one is afk what can you do. second game no one responds to pings and they are talking **** how everyone sucks but them. third game im getting called out for being a **** jg even though im doing my job perfectly and the guy who first started talking smack was picking first time quinn top ever and playing ranked. im being harassed and so i defend myself although in an angry fashion (but at this point with trolls and afk anyone with a brain would be pissed off by now) so i fired back with some of my own words and insults. game ends, i'm starting next game and i get perma banned while in champ select.

How any of this is fair or makes sense is beyond me. i had like 100+ $ in skins. just to be perma banned by a troll who picks a champ hes never played before and feeds all game while flaming me for not carrying hard enough. Its ridiculous riot doesnt even look at the whole chat. most of the times ive been reported is because theres a duo or more people that are playing together and one of their friends is being a douche so i say something and i get reported. they dont actually make sensical and fair decisions they just look at how many people reported.

with that being said, Riot i am making hella smurf accounts and will make it my job to be the most toxic/feeding mother fucker you have ever had in this game. I will run off all your new players and never spend another penny on your stupid game again.

32 Comments

TrulyBland7 votes

i am making hella smurf accounts and will make it my job to be the most toxic/feeding mother fucker you have ever had in this game.

That reaction alone makes me think you have no idea what the difference between defending yourself and retaliation is.

K1BiH2 votes

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That reaction alone makes me think you have no idea what the difference between defending yourself and retaliation is.

you probably have the same sense of judgement without being able to handle critical thinking as riot. Whats the point of defending myself now when the unfair judgement has already passed. this is retaliation son.

TrulyBland3 votes

I stand corrected, you seem to be aware of the difference. Then you should also see that "firing back with some of your own words and insults" is retaliation and not self defense. I didn't even have to quote the entire thing there: "firing back" is not self defense. "Firing back" is literally used as a synonymous expression for "retaliating".

DrCyanide3 votes

this is retaliation son.

No it isn't. The players you threaten to make the game miserable for have never done anything to you. For it to be retaliation those players would have had to do something to you.

Riot banned you because you didn't behave the way you agreed to. Check the Terms you agreed to every time the game patched, you'll see what you did was out of line. You forced Riots hand, not the other way around.

Primaquarius1 votes

"I was done wrong by people in my rank, so I will unleash hell on the newer community"

Maximum Morde6 votes

It's not defending yourself though. It's spamming nonsense into chat that nobody wants to read. How hard is that to understand?

Do you have some kind of deep seated emotional damage that causes you to view any negative comment from some random person as having actual value? Because I'm pretty sure anyone with any self worth at all would laugh and then pity the fool who just raged out online.

K1BiH1 votes

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It's not defending yourself though. It's spamming nonsense inot chat that nobody wants to read. How hard is that to understand?

Do you have some kind of deep seated emotional damage that causes you to view any negative comment from some random person as having actual value? Because I'm pretty sure anyone with any self worth at all would laugh and then pity the fool who just raged out online.

they were being toxic first. im not the type of person to just ignore someone . from a moral standpoint is someone is a complete idiot its up to society to teach them the error of their ways.

and to the assuming i wasnt jg properly look at my win ratio in jg.

and i dont keep logs to post tbh. i just got on here to get this off my chest and in some way atleast warn players that riot is a scumbag company.

KingWanahakalugi6 votes

Riot does not believe that Retaliation is ever ok. Just because they started it doesn't mean that you're allowed to talk back to them. All you can do is either mute them or politely defend yourself and your decisions. If you decide to make a new account, I would consider this.

Have a Nice Day

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KingWanahakalugi

Tocosrevenge1 votes

Riot believes retaliation is never okay, very true.

But in the real world retaliation is very much real. Most people aren't going to let someone talk down to them for up to 20 minutes while you're trying to cooperate as a team. Most people are going to out rage the first rager to shut them up and put them in their place. Banning somebody for defending themselves is very much a giant liberal progressive joke, but its Riots game and they make the rules, as unfair as that is, you don't have a choice but fall under their dictatorship if you wish to play the game.

KingWanahakalugi2 votes

Well, I'm going to guess you believe in a more conservative atmosphere, so on that note let me express my opinion coming from a fellow conservative.

There is plenty of rage and toxicity out there in the real world, and in most cases you are going to put them back in their place. Most people do it within some amount of reason, but if you go past a certain point you are eligible to be punished in the real world too.

I don't think you can compare the real world to League of Legends anyways. You can make examples all you want, but here's a fact:

It IS just a game.

Because it is a game, League of Legends doesn't have to follow some of the same guidelines that the real world sees. I think Riot envisions League being an escape from the shit that we see everyday even if it's only for ~30 min at a time. Here they remove toxicity because they want a place where people can either have fun or compete with players from around the world. Personally, I use it to stay in touch with my friends that either live in different states or keep in touch with friends since I was done with college.

Retaliation and toxicity together, while VERY real, are simply not welcome here.

It's a game keep it positive.

Zielmann4 votes

I hate the "in the real world" argument...

Most people aren't going to let someone talk down to them for up to 20 minutes while you're trying to cooperate as a team. Most people are going to out rage the first rager to shut them up and put them in their place.

Try this in any workplace and see how quickly both people involved are shown the door.

ofart1 votes

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Riot believes retaliation is never okay, very true.

But in the real world retaliation is very much real. Most people aren't going to let someone talk down to them for up to 20 minutes while you're trying to cooperate as a team. Most people are going to out rage the first rager to shut them up and put them in their place. Banning somebody for defending themselves is very much a giant liberal progressive joke, but its Riots game and they make the rules, as unfair as that is, you don't have a choice but fall under their dictatorship if you wish to play the game.

The fact that it happens in the real world doesn't make it acceptable. It's possible to respond and disagree with someone and not retaliate or lash out at them. Although, people sometimes falsely report you for this because it hurts way more to face calm logic than see a guy go bonkers and spam profanities. So in a sense, retaliation isn't only immature but it will probably make the aggressor feel superior to you and satisfied because he got to you. You're actually encouraging the scummy people who try to get under your skin.

Horse Grenades5 votes

getting called out for being a jg even though im doing my job perfectly

This line told me almost everything I need to know. Pay attention to bans. They are warnings. Good luck on your new account, I hope you are a better player because of it.

PDE5 Inhibitors4 votes

I'm guessing you didn't post logs for a reason lel

PIMPSMOOTH4 votes

Two days off a temp ban and you got yourself banned already? You clearly learned nothing from Riots escalating punishment system.

Your next account is doomed to the same fate if you continue to blame everyone else for how you choose to respond to anyone.

K1BiH1 votes

riot needs to punish people for being provocative instead of focusing on those who get provoked. its common fucking sense to cut a problem at its root not at the flower. thats the stupid logic with this game that i or anyone with a decent IQ will ever agree with.

Zielmann3 votes

Did you report those players after that game?

K1BiH1 votes

no i just leave after we get out of the game because i dont want to get even further provoked into cussing at them so the other team sees it too,

Zielmann4 votes

So you complain that these people aren't punished* but you didn't report them. That makes sense.

*Realistically speaking, these people will be punished sooner or later (likely sooner) if they exhibit that kind of behavior on a regular basis. If they were that bad, I'd assume some reports were headed their way from that game anyhow, even if you didn't report them yourself.

K1BiH1 votes

im not actually complaining about them being punished nor did i say that anywhere in this thread. im complaining that i got punished for sticking up for myself. when i said the problem needs to be punished instead of the reaction i meant that in the case of per say ,if anyones going to be punished it should be the provoker not the provoked.

K1BiH1 votes

not that they shouldnt be punished but i dont like reporting people because the system is broken in the first place and doesnt work. also if you say you are reporting someone they will either afk feed or try all game to tilt you into getting mad and then end up having your reported. im a very irritable when it comes to stupidity.

DrCyanide4 votes

i dont like reporting people because the system is broken in the first place and doesnt work.

Anyone else see the irony of a banned player saying the report system doesn't work?

if you say you are reporting someone ...

You don't say it, you don't threaten it, you just do it! It's post game for a reason.

ofart1 votes

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Anyone else see the irony of a banned player saying the report system doesn't work?

You don't say it, you don't threaten it, you just do it! It's post game for a reason.

To be fair, not every call for a report is a threat. A threat would imply you want something OR you will do X. For example, "group or I"m reporting Teemo for trolling" would definitely fall under that category. "Please don't forget to report our afk Teemo" would not. Not every report request is toxic, although some people have been unfairly punished for that.

It's also true that spamming report requests (especially with low standards like suggesting someone's intentionally feeding after giving FB) would be toxic. In 70% of cases when someone asks for a report in chat, they're probably being toxic about it but I think it's lazy to lump everyone into that category.

Sona Ping3 votes

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"How any of this is fair or makes sense is beyond me."

Let's see...

League of Legends Rules: ...#6 Players are not allowed to flame, swear at, or insult other players.

K1BiH: I was playing and getting frustrated so I started insulting other players.

I dunno, it makes sense to me. https://rs892.pbsrc.com/albums/ac123/xander2810/Animations/NPH-SHRUG.gif~c200

Tocosrevenge2 votes

As much as I get where you are coming from, and agree that you do not deserve a perma ban, there is nothing to be done. This is how Riot plays. Its their game and you have to play it their way, which is something I am learning very much.

If you come back and give it another attempt on a new account, mute everybody every game. You don't have to see the stupid things people say, you just play your own and lose a lot because of trolls. But you'll get better.

Not the best move to say youre going to smurf/toxic/feed but after being banned from a game that you sink $$$ into what can anybody expect?

Personally its a strategy they use to make more $$$. You spent $100+ and are slightly toxic, mine as well ban you because chances are you're pretty hooked on the game and likely to make a new account and even though you say you wont, you'll most likely sink more $$$ into the new account. Its a giant scam that I hope Riot gets in trouble for someday, but for now they are in charge and this is the way they play.

Good luck

TrulyBland2 votes

Holy shit, I was totally unaware of Riot's evil schemes. You know what people should do? Stop being toxic.

It's basically like boycotting them after being banned, just that you don't even get banned in the first place. It foils their evil schemes, keeps your account unbanned and on top of all that it might even make everybody enjoy the game better. This is a win/win/win.

Tract2 votes

they are talking **** how everyone sucks but them. third game im getting called out for being a **** jg even though im doing my job perfectly

Retaliation isn't acceptable, ever.

and the guy who first started talking smack was picking first time quinn top ever and playing ranked.

Again, retaliation isnt acceptable.

im being harassed and so i defend myself although in an angry fashion (but at this point with trolls and afk anyone with a brain would be pissed off by now) so i fired back with some of my own words and insults. game ends, i'm starting next game and i get perma banned while in champ select.

Above

How any of this is fair or makes sense is beyond me. i had like 100+ $ in skins.

Money is not in consideration in any way at all.

they dont actually make sensical and fair decisions they just look at how many people reported.

Actually they read the logs.

with that being said, Riot i am making hella smurf accounts and will make it my job to be the most toxic/feeding mother fucker you have ever had in this game. I will run off all your new players and never spend another penny on your stupid game again.

And this is the behavior that earned you the perma-ban after not reforming.

Zielmann1 votes

Defending yourself can be okay, but in practice, it's fairly risky. Why? Not because defending yourself is inherently a problem, but because the vast majority of people don't take the right approach to it. That is to say that if you choose to stoop to their level and flame them back, you're no more innocent than they are.

If you have problems with being able to handle these situations properly, or you get set off easily by other people in chat, just use the "/mute all" feature at the start of each game. If your teammates start bickering or blaming you, you'll never know. You'll probably play better because you'll only have the game to focus on.

PlatypusSurprise1 votes

That's what mute is for, so you don't have to listen to trolls that try to provoke you and make you go on tilt.

The next time someone tries to set you off (since you said you were making a new account) just mute them and report them after the game so the next person does not have to deal with it.

As for the "I spent X number of $'s" argument... go to the league home page > community > Community Events. Then look at the online events and join one of them since they no joke have RP and 4 win IP boosts as prizes with no entree fee and since they are endorsed by Riot you can even get the Triumphant Ryze skin if you win.

AraMoOse1 votes

Didn't even read the post.

What you need to do is observe the difference between "defending yourself" and "counter attacking".

What you are doing is counter attacking. Defend yourself by muting and then reporting the people. Bang, job done.

Amber Lynn1 votes

So you feel you shouldn't be banned from playing with others, and at the same time, want to be toxic to random people who did nothing to you in retaliation? I'm confused. >.<

FrankerX1 votes

i read the title and i was like "kindergarten? you have to defend yourself when some random person who doesnt know you on the internet insults you? i didnt know flame allows you to flame back"

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