Boards›Player Behavior

This community is beyond toxic

Asphalt··1 votes·1,960 views

I find it funny when people who are the ones that arent the true toxic or troll players, which are generally most of the people that get punished, and then the actual toxic and troll players get away with pretty much murdering a human being...

i just recently somehow got a 14 day ban, due to this faulty report system that isnt even monitored anymore, literally it's based on how many times you get reported now... which is extremely toxic in itself, a system that isnt even monitored (and you know how you know it isnt monitored, because right after the players reported me the client just closed with a message, so i can 100% assure you that not 1 Riot employee or department for this type of thing, if there even is a department for it, looks at these reports or anything before their automated system just dishes out a ban of any sort) and goes off of only how many reports get thrown on your account... so if i just sit there spam reporting everyone in everyone of my games, same for everyone, eventually players get banned no matter what, even if they did nothing wrong

another thing, im honestly sick and tired of people just talking trash and saying "you have autism" or "you're autistic" when literally 99% of these kids that say that have no god damn clue what autism is... it's frankly sickening that these kids get away with things like that, when i get punished for saying "report this troll" etc etc, why does Riot allow these scumbags to constantly call others a term, especially when they dont even know the meaning, that is something that needs awareness in the world... Riot seriously needs to stop this nonsense of these kids just spitting out "autism" or "autistic" stuff because it is honestly messed up and some people ACTUALLY have it, and like i said 99% of the people that say this crap, dont even know what the disorder is or the meaning of it...

I honestly very rarely even find myself playing this game as bad as the community is, and how many players are in the wrong ranks... easily 90% of the players in platinum-challenger, need to be deranked, and i literally play for ONE DAY from not playing for a couple of weeks and i get a 14 day ban... no chat ban, no 24 hour ban, no 3 day ban, no 7 day ban... A 14 DAY BAN, due to a faulty system that isnt monitored.

68 Comments

Deep Terror Nami6 votes

literally it's based on how many times you get reported now

No it isn't.

so i can 100% assure you that not 1 Riot employee or department for this type of thing, if there even is a department for it, looks at these reports or anything before their automated system just dishes out a ban of any sort

You're right, the system is automated. But the system is built around throwing out false reports, and it's very good at it. Manual review is not necessary for the vast majority of cases. If you get falsely punished you can request your case be reviewed through a Support Ticket. If it was an error, they will remove it.

i get a 14 day ban... no chat ban, no 24 hour ban, no 3 day ban, no 7 day ban

Punishment tiers are as follows;

  • 10 game chat restriction
  • 25 game chat restriction
  • 14 day account ban
  • Permanent account ban

You will only skip punishment tiers due to severe toxic behavior, usually the use of hate speech or death threats, but otherwise it goes in order and takes 3 months for your tier to drop 1 step. Could you post your reform card?

Asphalt1 votes

yes, the system is based on how many times u get reported, LITERALLY PROVEN

since when did they remove 24 hour ban, 3 day ban, 7 day ban? and i wasnt even chat banned

did not receive reform card, and wouldnt post it either way, that is personal (no offense), i can assure you i did not do any of the bad behavioral things you have listed

Erdrik4 votes

{quoted}

yes, the system is based on how many times u get reported, LITERALLY PROVEN

Source?

Asphalt1 votes

ask Riot

Erdrik4 votes

Burden of proof is not on me. Posting a Riot quote will suffice. But you made the claim, you get to find and present the evidence.

Savage Devi4 votes

yes, the system is based on how many times u get reported, LITERALLY PROVEN

Never has been.

since when did they remove 24 hour ban, 3 day ban, 7 day ban? and i wasnt even chat banned

Either you lie, have forgotten, or were so immensely toxic that you deserved to skip straight into an account ban. Either way, you're in the wrong.

did not receive reform card, and wouldnt post it either way, that is personal (no offense), i can assure you i did not do any of the bad behavioral things you have listed

Your word means little, especially when you choose to not back up what you say.

Asphalt1 votes

see these are the posts that simply do not need to on the forums... like just go else where dude please, dont harass me with nonsense, ur now the 2nd person i needed to report their comment on this 1 thread alone... i dont need to sit here and be called a liar or toxic, when im neither...

Savage Devi4 votes

Your posts are ultimately self defeating, it's apparent at this point.

Erdrik2 votes

Either you lie, have forgotten, or were so immensely toxic that you deserved to skip straight into an account ban. Either way, you're in the wrong.

Actually, he is not lying there. Those were the old punishment tiers.

Savage Devi1 votes

I was talking about possible lying because OP mentioned not getting a chat restriction.

Erdrik1 votes

It is possible to go to 14 day or perma without a chat restriction. It just changes the possible reasons for punishments.

Intentional Feeding for example will skip to 14 day. So will hate speech.

Hacking and Cheating is straight to perma.

Asphalt1 votes

ok so i have not done intentional feeding ever, nor have i done hate speech

i have emailed support, and am waiting for response and hopefully they can unsuspend my account as well, after their findings

Twiggles6 votes

yes, the system is based on how many times u get reported, LITERALLY PROVEN

No, it is not. It is based on number of games reported in, not flat report count. This is to prevent premades from holding solo players hostage. It is also why asking for reports is itself a punishable offense. What you are claiming has NOT been proven and never will be. Because you are simply incorrect.

Edit: On top of that, false reports are detected and thrown out by the system. PLUS, the account filing false reports has its future reports diminished in value. So no, you can't just get people banned by spam reporting every game.

Asphalt1 votes

{quoted}

Not, it is not. It is based on number of games reported in, not flat report count. This is to prevent premades from holding solo players hostage. It is also why asking for reports is itself a punishable offense. What you are claiming has NOT been proven and never will be. Because you are simply incorrect.

pretty much what i said... but you just said it in a different way...

Twiggles4 votes

Check the edit I made to the post. Simply flooding the system with reports will accomplish nothing.

Asphalt1 votes

a report is a report, and should be looked at the same as every report... no higher power or lesser power, very flawed how it is, if it truly has other players with diminished value... a system like that in itself is toxic

Twiggles5 votes

Seriously? So someone just spamming the system for no reason is just as trustworthy as someone who only reports actual violations?

It isn't the system that's flawed. It's your logic.

Asphalt1 votes

so spamming the system in ur logic is never a good thing, whether it is in reasoning or not... because if someone is spamming the system with reasoning, there is no reason to hurt their power...

the system is flawed whether you like it or not... it's just when you come to the truth of admitting to it being flawed

Savage Devi4 votes

He never said spamming valid reports lowers report value. Only invalid ones lose their value, meaning the flaw you're speaking of isn't there.

Asphalt1 votes

but he was implying that spamming the system in general puts you in the wrong, which is why i said my rebuttal

Savage Devi2 votes

Yeah, spamming. Spamming implies that the reports being spammed are not valid, otherwise it wouldn't get called spam. For valid reporting he would just say "sending lots of reports". Sure, he didn't say it explicitly, but you gotta know to read between the lines.

Edit; fuck, he actually did. He said "spamming for no reason." Even worse for your rebuttal

Asphalt1 votes

i dont think you understand what "spamming" means

Savage Devi2 votes

I suggest looking at a mirror in this case. Also, as I mentioned in the edit, he did explicitly say "spamming for no reason". You can't possibly misunderstand that too.

Twiggles3 votes

And you didn't seem to notice that I said spamming "for no reason".

Before you start putting words in my mouth, how about reading what I actually typed.

Erdrik3 votes

No, no. He said it accomplishes nothing, not that you are in the wrong. Its only wrong if that spam consists of false reports.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Ok quit responding to the guy, he's trolling you all.

Weathered2 votes

{quoted}

It isn't the system that's flawed. It's your logic.

Nicely put

Erdrik5 votes

It is specifically to combat premades outgunning you with reports.

As I understand it:

Reports do not lead directly to punishment. They lead to a review of the match for the player being reported. 9 reports are no different than 1 report, it just flags the match for review.

Once your account has a certain number of flagged matches associated with it, the system randomly selects some of those matches for review. Once reviewed, if you did nothing wrong in any of those matches, the reports are thrown out and those players future reports become less valuable.

Erdrik1 votes

{quoted}

since when did they remove 24 hour ban, 3 day ban, 7 day ban? and i wasnt even chat banned

From what I understand, the chat bans were slowly introduced a bit before hand, but it happened when the new Instant Feedback system went live.

Asphalt1 votes

new instant feedback system? what is that? and when did that happen out of curiosity..

Erdrik1 votes

Unfortunately, Im not sure exactly when it went live, as I was taking a long break at the time.

I just know about it from posts here, and reading the FAQ.

Akenero1 votes

{quoted}

From what I understand, the chat bans were slowly introduced a bit before hand, but it happened when the new Instant Feedback system went live.

It happened when the leaver-buster system went live in 2013 iirc, low priority queue was just released

Erdrik1 votes

Uh.. LeaveBuster has been live far longer than that.

I think you mean when LB switched to the new punishment tiers?

Akenero1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=N0K2OxZg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-12T18:01:27.134+0000)

No it isn't.

You're right, the system is automated. But the system is built around throwing out false reports, and it's very good at it. Manual review is not necessary for the vast majority of cases. If you get falsely punished you can request your case be reviewed through a Support Ticket. If it was an error, they will remove it.

Punishment tiers are as follows;

  • 10 game chat restriction
  • 25 game chat restriction
  • 14 day account ban
  • Permanent account ban

You will only skip punishment tiers due to severe toxic behavior, usually the use of hate speech or death threats, but otherwise it goes in order and takes 3 months for your tier to drop 1 step. Could you post your reform card?

Hey nami, what are the punishment tiers for the leaverbuster system? I've gone through most of the tiers(sadly) and I do understand I'm somewhat close to higher level punishments, but I'm wondering what comes after low-priority queue.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

The LPQ will increase by 5 minutes, I think up to 30 minute wait times. If you are intentionally ruining lots of Ranked games they may manually ban you, but that'd be very rare.

PlatypusSurprise5 votes

{quoted}

I find it funny when people who are the ones that arent the true toxic or troll players, which are generally most of the people that get punished, and then the actual toxic and troll players get away with pretty much murdering a human being...

Fun fact, if someone flames you then you can report them and they can get a chat restriction or ban.

However, if someone flames you and you starting flaming them back then they or anyone else in the game that sees that chat can report you and you can also get chat restricted or banned since you're both in the wrong.

Asphalt1 votes

i think that's common sense, just curious why you said that..?

Savage Devi3 votes

Because you claimed otherwise?

and then the actual toxic and troll players get away with pretty much murdering a human being

Asphalt1 votes

how is that claiming otherwise..?

Savage Devi3 votes

You're saying toxic people get away with their actions...

Asphalt1 votes

correct. the actual toxic players.

Savage Devi3 votes

Precisely, so you're claiming otherwise. Also you never back up the claim you make.

Asphalt1 votes

what claim am i not backing up?.. please elaborate

and how am i claiming otherwise..? explain

Savage Devi3 votes

sigh.

When Platypus tells you that when you flame flamers you both can get punished, you say that the other side does not receive anything. Hence, you're claiming otherwise.

And the claim you make, that what you call "actual" toxic players don't get punished, you provide no evidence. Hence, you don't back up your claims, making it pretty much pointless.

Asphalt1 votes

false. im saying if someone is literally say.. purpose feeding and the purpose feeder is saying to someone they arent helping or whatever, that they are toxic when in fact the purpose feeder is the toxic one, yet both end up getting reported, and both end up getting punished in the end, due to an automated system based on number of reports... 1 toxic. 2 punishments. makes no sense.

Savage Devi2 votes

Nobody gets banned for saying someone isn't helping. You only get punished for actually breaking the rules. If you want to express how you feel about a toxic player's actions, sure. You can do so without flaming. But when you do, we have: 2 toxics 2 punishments Sense.

Asphalt1 votes

your comment made no sense, you cannot say all of that then say "sense" and yes i've seen MANY players get banned for saying nothing and not being toxic

Savage Devi2 votes

Which you again provide no evidence for, making the statement worthless.

Savage Devi2 votes

What nonsense. Well, I'm glad to be freed from this conversation.

PlatypusSurprise2 votes

^^^ this

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by Asphalt

Ugly ass new HUD (options needed)
Gameplay0 comments
5
votes
Thornmail bug (Riot Fix This ASAP)
Report a Bug0 comments
4
votes
Plan on fixing Riven anytime soon?
Gameplay21 comments
3
votes
players need to be deranked
Gameplay8 comments
2
votes
Ekko's MAKE or BREAK
Gameplay8 comments
2
votes
seriously what's wrong with ranked system
Report a Bug1 comments
2
votes