Trolls.....

Nagato Uchiha·Jan 7, 2017·1 votes·480 views

My last game was horrendous, I got caught out early and it was completely my fault, got super far behind so I proceeded to farm. My bot lane consisted of an Mf and a Teemo. The teemo in champ select told us that his computer would mess up after leaving champ select so he would have to restart his game however when he gets into game he walks to lane (If your game messes up wouldnt you go straight to restarting?) then about 15-20 seconds into game he claims he needs to restart cpu so as a (Normally) kind person I and the rest of the team agree and if it takes too long we would just remake. About 1:45 into the game hes back so we have no qualms and continue on. This is where I get caught out, I attempt to invade and almost take their red but they pressure me too hard and their mid comes we both flash and he kills me. I realise im behind so i just begin farming to catch back up. Then my mf dies and gets pinged a bunch of times by our teemo, in chat MF asks teemo not to take farm and he simply replies "Stop feeding" and thats when I actually look at bot, teemo is sitting under tower not leaving, not helping his ADC. So as the behind jungler i am I continue to farm and if possible show my presence to make them back off. I make it to a bot clear and get around to krugs low and behold HERE COMES TEEMO!!!!! Literally the only times he left tower was to take my jungle creeps, he starts taking some of the little ones and later in the game comes and takes red when he knows I dont have smite. Im not going to lie, I was getting pretty toxic at this point asking for a 9X on this teemo and just yelling in general. We lose (Obviously) and both teams claim to have reported me and I completely understand why however this guy was toxic in his own way and telling me that i would get banned. If need be i will post pictures of our chat after the game when he added me

7 Comments

Magical PlayerJan 7, 20171 votes

simple just submit a ticket of harassment, he will be punished if you have photos of him actually harassing you. If you're flaming in the photos(chop it out, or black it out) or accept that your both at fault

Troll for TrumpJan 7, 20171 votes

accept that your both at fault

If it they were individual events,, this wouldn't be a problem. But the toxicity isn't something natural, and specifically caused as a result of toxic behavior from others. The automated system won't read context, and Riot hasn't cared about context ever since the removal of the original tribunal.

Context matters, and, yes, toxicity should be regarded more leniently if it's the result of circumstance.

Magical PlayerJan 7, 20171 votes

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If it they were individual events,, this wouldn't be a problem. But the toxicity isn't something natural, and specifically caused as a result of toxic behavior from others. The automated system won't read context, and Riot hasn't cared about context ever since the removal of the original tribunal.

Context matters, and, yes, toxicity should be regarded more leniently if it's the result of circumstance.

Think of it this way. LEAGUE OF LEGENDS is a HIGH SCHOOL League is the administration Players are Students

League has been around long enough to know you say x regardless of context and y occurs, then whoever says x is at fault. Example "gg ez fucktards, die in hell"(or really any statement that would be deemed flamatory) Now clearly I came at that with alot of sarcasm, clearly my typed words display my sarcasm. I shall be above basic etiquette, as I know what sarcasm is and how to properly apply it to text.....

So no context doesn't matter, it didn't matter in tribunal either. I'd be a betting Man and say 90% of tribunal cases were solved in less than 5 mins of someone viewing the case. 5 MINS is not enough time to clearly understand the situation of a game. You think people spent time to truly understand each case..... Sure maybe a few people did, most just followed the logic that if they were reported and made it to the tribunal then they were indeed at fault(because league still had an automated system that filtered people for tribunal) Again being a betting man, i'd wager that the bot does a far more effective job of giving out correct punishment in timely manner. ex: If tribunal gave 50% correct case judgement, then the bot is giving 55%. No system will ever be perfect(communism will be based on MARX, but until then nothing will be)

Toxicity is something natural(depending on your world/philosophical view) People are out searching for their best interest even if that interest is not correct(people are greedy) Under the assumption People are here for their own gain

If someone enjoys being a troll, they will troll for fun. If someone tilts easily, they have some satisfaction in ruining others experience If someone enjoys winning games, and winds up losing. Imagine what that does to them, it forces them to reevaluate their "best interest" So people are only going to do what's in their best interest regardless of how you or riot feels about it.

Of the Millions of players of this game, a very small selection has issues(everyone in PB&M)

In your own statement "But the toxicity isn't something natural, and specifically caused as a result of toxic behavior from other" It sounds pretty natural.

Toxicity is natural as it is the result of human nature, Humans are not artificially created. We develop over time to become. If human nature isn't natural well then I guess I'm a LOON.

Troll for TrumpJan 7, 20171 votes

In most cases, people won't say X because they know it's that bad. Only those that would be permabanned would say that, and the people that are permabanned are a small part of the ones that are punished by the system.

If you want to equate this to high school, you'd have someone repeatedly punching you to annoy you, and you telling them to "stop being a dick" would result in you being punished.

Yes, context mattered in the tribunal, because people were provided the ENTIRE chat log, with everyone's names. You could see the allied team chat, and the enemy chat. There were some people that'd troll and just spam report on every case. Those are the ones with 50% accuracy. There are also many that boasted 70%+ accuracy, because they actually were doing what they were supposed to. You could also see game stats, KDAs, etc. to check for int feeding.

The bot can't distinguish toxicity, and has no good judgement of its own. Because it isn't human. Because it's a machine, and it's the only one doing the decisions(no one else confiding or passing judgement), it will automatically have 100% accuracy. If you had only one judge in the Supreme Court passing sentences to everyone, then you'd have 100% accuracy, too.

Nope. Why? Because the trolling, tilting, and flaming are all a result of outside factors.

For the person trying to win, they're being forced to reevaluate their priorities by outside factors.

Everyone who plays the game has issues. If we follow your logic, they all have issues. Following mine, you arrive at the same point. Everyone has some toxicity in them. Because getting angry is a natural response. The problem is what causes that anger, as the amger leads to the trolling, flaming, inting, and tilting.

Magical PlayerJan 7, 20171 votes

Ahh yes the good ole I'm being physically assaulted claim This is a game, comparing it to high school would be like someone telling you things in person. If words hurt you to that degree you need to get offline as fast as possible, or goto club penguin. No even that will have assholes, just get offline asap.

As i recall you were not provided the entire chat log in tribunals. You were given chat logs of the game With the player in question being highlighted in purple the rest not Sure you had the info to go with it, but again 90% of cases solved in under 5 mins. Nobody cared enough to dig deep enough to truly care.

"The bot can't distinguish toxicity" be my guest distinguish toxicity for me. Your a human you clearly understand toxicity better than the machine. I'm a human and I can't really distinguish toxicity to banter.

What causes anger.... Stress causes anger People play this game stressed, they force stress onto themselves playing this game expecting xyz outcomes So I guess everyone to play league must be stoned out of their mind from here on to have less stress while playing league.

Find some proof to your point that tribunals had 70% rate of punishment. Even in tribunal, the people voted. It was then sent to admins to sort it and apply punishment based on their choice. Tribunal didn't matter in the least if the admin disagreed with you. You were just giving riot data to add to their process.

I'm a person whose been threatened by reports time and time again, and yet here I stand unpunished. Why clearly the bot thinks Im not a problem. However under the old system i would probably have been banned, simply for having my name appear in tribunal. Now i say this as a person who rarely speaks in game outside the standard MIA calls or pings. (not sure where this was suppose to go)

TLDR: anger is caused by stress, stress is caused from life(natural) Find some source to back your claim of 70% or 50% stop giving text the power of you being punched in the face

Troll for TrumpJan 7, 20171 votes

This is a game, comparing it to high school would be like someone telling you things in person. If words hurt you to that degree you need to get offline as fast as possible, or goto club penguin. No even that will have assholes, just get offline asap.

Think of it this way. LEAGUE OF LEGENDS is a HIGH SCHOOL League is the administration Players are Students

That's why I did high school as an example. It's a bad example, but I stuck with it cuz you used it.

but again 90% of cases solved in under 5 mins. Source?

"The bot can't distinguish toxicity"

Because it's an automated machine/program, it has no judgement of it's own. It should be human judging other humans. Machines can't take into account the details that happen in a game. If your previous statement were true, and all tribunal case responces were done in <5 minutes, the humans would still have better judgement.

Find some proof to your point that tribunals had 70% rate of punishment.

Um.

There were some people that'd troll and just spam report on every case. Those are the ones with 50% accuracy. There are also many that boasted 70%+ accuracy,

In old tribunal, they'd tell you how many case judgements you got right. So if you had people spam "punish" all the time, they might have an "accuracy" between 30-60% (for example, not necessarily accurate)

Tribunal didn't matter in the least if the admin disagreed with you. You were just giving riot data to add to their process.

It obviously wasn't one by one. As they do now, the admins only truly looked over cases where people would be permabanned. Keep in mind the punishment system back then is different than it is now. I recall, chat restrictions weren't even a thing back then.

stop giving text the power of you being punched in the face

If you actually THOUGHT about the analogy, the punching is being compared to in-game trolling and inting. If I wanted verbal abuse, I'd use insult-spamming. I also said "punching to annoy you" because that was the closest thing I could think of to correlate to in-game trolling and inting. Obviously, it won't be as extreme as beating you up, but just being annoying.

However under the old system i would probably have been banned,

You wouldn't. By abusing pings, you can still be toxic and the bot won't punish you for it. In Tribunal, they'd notice the other dialog about you ping spamming, take it into context, and punish you accordingly.