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Riots system is bogus

reklawyksekul··1 votes·1,714 views

Chat log of two games, where I was abused, and was reported by more than one person just because of the way I played.

Game 1 reklawyksekul: Go after a different minion please. Don't try to fight me for cs. reklawyksekul: Alright, you're not going to listen. You're not a team player, enjoy getting smashed. reklawyksekul: I'm still going to try to help my team. You're fighting me for cs, making it 1v1v3v5 reklawyksekul: Zed is another one, tyring to last hit the only minion im attacking. so many selfish players reklawyksekul: reported. reklawyksekul: no one says you have to have two top, but okay. hurt the team if you must. reklawyksekul: Please don't ping me, thank you. reklawyksekul: I am pushing lanes. not harassing my teammates. It's the holidays, you should lighten up. reklawyksekul: Then don't harass me for no reason man. You can be nice, you choose not to be. reklawyksekul: I am helping. You win by pushing lanes, not by standing next to all of your teammates at all times. Please stop. reklawyksekul: You said you were going to report me Garen. You should be nicer to people. reklawyksekul: If you're just going to troll and shadow me around the map, I'll go get ready to head to the movies., reklawyksekul: Why are you guys so angry? It's the holidays, and this is a level 5 match.

Game 2 reklawyksekul: Playing a video game. reklawyksekul: Go right ahead. You are the one being negative. reklawyksekul: Begging the enemy team to report me, and lying when you supply the reason. You're a horrible human being. It's the holidays. reklawyksekul: It's a video game. You are horrible people for caring about that nonsense. Straight up. reklawyksekul: Enjoy your holidays too Quinn. reklawyksekul: That's your problem Warwick. You're concerned with other people, when you should be worrying about you and only you. reklawyksekul: Have a great holiday you guys, I can't take anymore of your constant harassment and belittlement. reklawyksekul: No, because you're all toxic.

70 Comments

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

You're a horrible human being. It's the holidays.

You seem like a cheerful player.

http://static5.gamespot.com/uploads/square_avatar/1551/15516851/2941774-lfs23.png

reklawyksekul2 votes

You should see their responses. Oh wait, Riot doesn't supply the whole chat log. The system is automated, and does not work. I called someone a "horrible human being" after they cursed me out. The fact remains the same, their system is bogus.

TrulyBland5 votes

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You should see their responses. Oh wait, Riot doesn't give a fuck, because retaliation just adds to the problem and therefore is also punishable.

ftfy.

reklawyksekul1 votes

You didn't fix anything, you simply made the comment toxic and nonsense. Me stating my opinion, after getting cursed out, doesn't add to the problem. The problem came up WITHOUT ME saying anything.

HEAljvLykd2 votes

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You didn't fix anything, you simply made the comment toxic and nonsense. Me stating my opinion, after getting cursed out, doesn't add to the problem. The problem came up WITHOUT ME saying anything.

U gonna get banned and it gonna be hilarious.

TrulyBland3 votes

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You didn't fix anything, you simply made the comment toxic and nonsense. Me stating my opinion, after getting cursed out, doesn't add to the problem. The problem came up WITHOUT ME saying anything.

A problem came up without you saying anything. You further added to the problem of toxicity overall in all games by not just letting it go. *briefly starts singing Disney-songs* Err... sorry 'bout that.

Ignore, report, move on.

reklawyksekul1 votes

You're arguing with someone on a forum. No one is forcing you to be here, and you truly have no argument. You don't even know what was said. These people said some truly toxic and hateful things, but all you want to do is call me wrong for responding, while you will not stop responding yourself.

You're a hypocrite.

I was in a match, forced to stay there (unless I wanted even more BS punishment that is not deserved) and was being harassed the entire time. That is why I felt the need to get involved. You truly have no argument, and need to go elsewhere with your toxicity.

TrulyBland3 votes

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You're arguing with someone on a forum. No one is forcing you to be here, and you truly have no argument. You don't even know what was said. These people said some truly toxic and hateful things, but all you want to do is call me wrong for responding, while you will not stop responding yourself.

You're a hypocrite.

I was in a match, forced to stay there (unless I wanted even more BS punishment that is not deserved) and was being harassed the entire time. That is why I felt the need to get involved. You truly have no argument, and need to go elsewhere with your toxicity.

I explained to you how a system works that you apparently don't understand; which to some degree "forced" me to point out your mistakes. Clearly that's comparable to you calling somebody a horrible human being.

Hell, even if I am a hypocrite that doesn't defeat my argument (that you conveniently decided doesn't exist). You added to the overall negative atmosphere by retaliating.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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I explained to you how a system works that you apparently don't understand; which to some degree "forced" me to point out your mistakes. Clearly that's comparable to you calling somebody a horrible human being.

Hell, even if I am a hypocrite that doesn't defeat my argument (that you conveniently decided doesn't exist). You added to the overall negative atmosphere by retaliating.

You can explain how it works all you want. I KNOW HOW IT WORKS. It is flawed. You need to learn how to read, seriously.

TrulyBland3 votes

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You can explain how it works all you want. I KNOW HOW IT WORKS. It is flawed. You need to learn how to read, seriously.

You assume that retaliation isn't punishable. It is. You assume that false reports have the same effect as honest reports. They don't.

I can only ask again for your sources, because if you really believe to know how it works, you are completely and utterly misinformed and it would be really important to track down where you got those informations from.

Awkward Couch5 votes

Actually TrulyBland has a very valid point. This is Riot's stance on retaliation.

Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.

If you are being abused in chat, mute them and report after the game. You don't need to prove anything to a bunch of people you meet online, that you will never see in real life, or probably ever see again.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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Actually TrulyBland has a very valid point. This is Riot's stance on retaliation.

If you are being abused in chat, mute them and report after the game. You don't need to prove anything to a bunch of people you meet online, that you will never see in real life, or probably ever see again.

Yeah yeah, you're repeating someone else's opinion. OPINION. It happens to be incorrect. Retaliation is NOT AS BAD as getting abused and threatened for absolutely no reason. It doesn't matter how many people agree with your nonsense point of view.

Awkward Couch4 votes

So me quoting Riot's website is now an opinion? Well apparently you didn't read it, so I'll quote it again anyway,

Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior.

This isn't my opinion, this is Riot's stance on things.

TrulyBland4 votes

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Yeah yeah, you're repeating someone else's opinion. OPINION. It happens to be incorrect. Retaliation is NOT AS BAD as getting abused and threatened for absolutely no reason. It doesn't matter how many people agree with your nonsense point of view.

Okay. Fine. That doesn't mean however that Riot's system is bogus, just that you disagree with their rules. Edit: Just to clear, this isn't just "someone else's opinion", this is Riot's opinion.

Ice Weasel X3 votes

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You should see their responses. Oh wait, Riot doesn't supply the whole chat log. The system is automated, and does not work. I called someone a "horrible human being" after they cursed me out. The fact remains the same, their system is bogus.

Or, the other person also received an account penalty. Just because one side is penalized doesn't mean the other is not also. The point of the system is that just because someone is behaving badly doesn't mean you should retaliate. Ignore and report = other person gets in trouble. Fight and report = both of you get in trouble.

reklawyksekul1 votes

That means you don't look into who was actually wrong, which means you don't care, which means the system is flawed.

Ice Weasel X3 votes

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That means you don't look into who was actually wrong, which means you don't care, which means the system is flawed.

No, it means that just because the first person was wrong doesn't mean the second person wasn't also wrong.

You may consider it "sticking up for yourself," but it aggravates everyone else when two people are exchanging barbs in chat instead of playing. Ignore and report. Don't add to the chaos. If the person bullying you keeps squawking, but you aren't responding, guess who looks like an ass? Him.

reklawyksekul1 votes

No, it means that you don't even want the situation looked in to. YOU SAID IT. "Fight and report = both of you get in trouble" even though one person is obviously the victim. You do not care though, and neither do most people. Which is probably why their flawed system is allowed to remain intact.

I don't care about "how I look" I care about making sure that the people who deserve to be punished get punished. I care about making sure that the people who treat others like crap get to feel what it's like. I'm not you. I make sure things are fair. You just "report both." You're the majority, which is the saddest part.

Ice Weasel X4 votes

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No, it means that you don't even want the situation looked in to. YOU SAID IT. "Fight and report = both of you get in trouble" even though one person is obviously the victim. You do not care though, and neither do most people. Which is probably why their flawed system is allowed to remain intact.

You would be the victim if you didn't decide to play the bully's game and fight in front of your team. A lot of players do not want to sit through that sort of experience. Know who the victims end up being? The people not involved in the fight who have it spamming their screens.

I don't care about "how I look" I care about making sure that the people who deserve to be punished get punished. I care about making sure that the people who treat others like crap get to feel what it's like. I'm not you. I make sure things are fair. You just "report both." You're the majority, which is the saddest part.

When you cause discomfort in your teammates by turning a one-sided bullying incident into a two-way argument, you escalate a bad situation into a worse one for your teammates. That adds you to the list of people who deserve punishment for their actions. There's a reason the term toxicity became such a buzzword. It's because the negativity spreads. Fighting doesn't make things better. Getting the guy who started it banned cleanly is better than muddying the waters and creating more guilty parties.

Ignore and report.

PIMPSMOOTH4 votes

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You should see their responses. Oh wait, Riot doesn't supply the whole chat log. The system is automated, and does not work. I called someone a "horrible human being" after they cursed me out. The fact remains the same, their system is bogus.

Retaliation to trolls only incites more toxicity, and is punishable by Riot.

reklawyksekul1 votes

"Retaliation" How about "Do unto others" ever hear of that? I treat people like they treat me.

Zombiemaster5 votes

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"Retaliation" How about "Do unto others" ever hear of that? I treat people like they treat me.

Or, OR, you could treat them with at least some level of decency and not be a jerk towards them DESPITE the fact that they were jerks to you. If someone is being a jerk to you and you start being a jerk to them back, then you are both in the wrong.

reklawyksekul1 votes

Nope. If someone is a jerk to me for no reason, and I am a jerk to them because they harassed me, I am not wrong. You have no argument, sorry.

Zombiemaster5 votes

I'm sorry, but that's not how it works here. You both are still in the wrong and will both be punished. You can disagree with that all you want, but it won't change the fact that Riot does not want it in their game.

reklawyksekul1 votes

You are ignorant. You think that someone who simply is a jerk to someone who threatened someone's life and used hate speech deserves to be banned because they got upset when they were singled out in a video game and harassed BECAUSE OF HOW THEY PLAYED. I even tried to communicate with these people at first, to get them to cooperate. They don't respond. They don't care. I do. We are not the same. You can believe whatever nonsense you've been spoonfed. I am not ignorant.

Zombiemaster5 votes

I don't think I'm the one being ignorant here. Riot's rules have ALWAYS been that retaliation is unacceptable. Retaliating against someone else's negative behavior with your own negative behavior is not acceptable in this game, and both people involved will be punished. THOSE ARE THE RULES.

It's obvious that you don't agree with them, and honestly you don't have to, but you do have to follow them if you wish to play this game without any punishment. You didn't follow them, and thus you were punished.

Ice Weasel X2 votes

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"Retaliation" How about "Do unto others" ever hear of that? I treat people like they treat me.

The "do unto others" adage is meant to apply to how you want them to treat you, not how you react to their treatment of you.

reklawyksekul1 votes

Yes, obviously. They treated me like dirt, so they must want me to treat them the same way. I treated them a little better than dirt. You still do not have a point, nor do you make sense.

Ice Weasel X5 votes

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Yes, obviously. They treated me like dirt, so they must want me to treat them the same way. I treated them a little better than dirt. You still do not have a point, nor do you make sense.

My point is that you can't use the "do unto others" adage to excuse your own contribution to an uncomfortable environment for your uninvolved teammates. If you were living by that guideline, you would continue to treat the other person respectfully regardless of his initial hostility. The golden rule is meant to affect others and sway them to treating you in a more respectful manner.

Now, if you want to apply the concept to him, there are two likely views of the golden rule that he might have:

  1. He doesn't care about how you treat him, therefore he will be a dick to you.
  2. He does care about how you treat him, but wants you to fight with him.

How does this affect you?

  1. Since he doesn't care how you treat him, you aren't upsetting him one bit by insulting him. You have just wasted energy and contributed to the annoyance of your other teammates. You've won one or more reports against your account.
  2. Since he wants you to fight with him, then any retaliation on your part means he has successfully manipulated you into violating Riot's behavioral guidelines. You've won one or more reports against your account.

To be honest, it just seems that you are clinging too hard to the concept of justified retaliation regardless of collateral. Consequences for both parties are a fact of life. Public altercations often result in both combatants landing in jail, even though one party is almost always the initiator.

PIMPSMOOTH6 votes

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"Retaliation" How about "Do unto others" ever hear of that? I treat people like they treat me.

You agreed to abide by Riot's rules when you click 'I agree' on their Terms of Service prompt, meaning you will be expected to follow them or held accountable when you choose not to.

You've clearly made your choice, so now you reap the consequences. Enjoy.

reklawyksekul1 votes

The system is AUTOMATED, and only goes on numbers, not the quality of reports. Lyte even admitted that it is a system that requires honest reports. The problem is, most reports are not honest. They are just made because someone didn't agree with another person.

TrulyBland4 votes

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The system is AUTOMATED, and only goes on numbers, not the quality of reports. Lyte even admitted that it is a system that requires honest reports. The problem is, most reports are not honest. They are just made because someone didn't agree with another person.

Source please? You clearly misunderstood something there. There has been a report filter since before Tribunal. And I mean, obviously the system requires honest reports. If you don't have any honest reports the system doesn't even work to begin with. That doesn't mean that 100% of the reports have to be honest reports. It doesn't even have to be the majority of reports, depending on how the filtering works.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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Source please? You clearly misunderstood something there. There has been a report filter since before Tribunal. And I mean, obviously the system requires honest reports. If you don't have any honest reports the system doesn't even work to begin with. That doesn't mean that 100% of the reports have to be honest reports. It doesn't even have to be the majority of reports, depending on how the filtering works.

Source please? Lyte said it himself. Do some research.

TrulyBland4 votes

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Source please? Lyte said it himself. Do some research.

Not how that works. You made the claim, you back it up.

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Also, it does mean if 100% of the reports are NOT honest, they will have the same effect. You have no idea what you're talking about. IT IS AUTOMATED.

No, because there is a fucking filter. Please... please start reading what people actually write to you. Not all reports being honest does not mean they have the same effect.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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Not how that works. You made the claim, you back it up.

No, because there is a fucking filter. Please... please start reading what people actually write to you. Not all reports being honest does not mean they have the same effect.

Mad enough to curse on boards, in a thread that doesn't involve you in any way. You're a real nice person.

Awkward Couch3 votes

Swearing is neither Reportable nor banable. Lest we forget, you are the one who is causing all the problems here. The boards told you that you were wrong to retaliate and we showed you exactly where in the Summoners Code it is. Yet you claim that's an "opinion" and then spread lies around? You are the asshole on this thread.

Many people have tried to send you links to show exactly how the new report system works, yet you just chose to ignore it because you want to? That makes no sense.

What you did was wrong, we've more than proven that. You just want to be the victim here, and while you may be a victim, you aren't innocent either.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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Swearing is neither Reportable nor banable. Lest we forget, you are the one who is causing all the problems here. The boards told you that you were wrong to retaliate and we showed you exactly where in the Summoners Code it is. Yet you claim that's an "opinion" and then spread lies around? You are the asshole on this thread.

Many people have tried to send you links to show exactly how the new report system works, yet you just chose to ignore it because you want to? That makes no sense.

What you did was wrong, we've more than proven that. You just want to be the victim here, and while you may be a victim, you aren't innocent either.

I'm an asshole, because you're brainwashed. You will believe anything that a Riot employee says. Regardless of what you have read, I have personally experienced this system more than once. IT IS FLAWED.

Even if a person is NOT OFFENSIVE, they will get chat restricted/suspended/banned off of x amount of reports in a single game.

Keep cursing people out by the way. You're a perfect example of the majority of this game's community.

Awkward Couch3 votes

And yet I've had this account since late S1 and I have never gotten a chat restriction, any sort of punishment, or even one of those pop out warnings of any kind. Crazy how that works out.

And I love how you seem to have so much insight into the way the Reporting system works, when you don't even work at Riot.

Feel free to believe what you want about the reporting system, that's your choice. I just think its funny how you say that this system relies on honest reports and that came directly from Lyte. So the entire premise of your belief of the reporting system depends on a Riot employee. But apparently I'm just ignorant because I'll believe anything that a Riot employee says. Seems a bit paradoxical.

As far as being a perfect example of "the majority of the game's community", you're the one in trouble here, not me. And you lost my respect when you said in chat in the origional post,

You're a horrible human being. It's the holidays.

Maybe I've acted less than professional here in this thread, I can live with that. But don't act like you're innocent, because you are the one instigating all of these threads. You're making drama happen where it doesn't need to happen.

COBRA C0MM4NDER2 votes

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And yet I've had this account since late S1 and I have never gotten a chat restriction, any sort of punishment, or even one of those pop out warnings of any kind. Crazy how that works out.

And I love how you seem to have so much insight into the way the Reporting system works, when you don't even work at Riot.

Feel free to believe what you want about the reporting system, that's your choice. I just think its funny how you say that this system relies on honest reports and that came directly from Lyte. So the entire premise of your belief of the reporting system depends on a Riot employee. But apparently I'm just ignorant because I'll believe anything that a Riot employee says. Seems a bit paradoxical.

As far as being a perfect example of "the majority of the game's community", you're the one in trouble here, not me. And you lost my respect when you said in chat in the origional post,

Maybe I've acted less than professional here in this thread, I can live with that. But don't act like you're innocent, because you are the one instigating all of these threads. You're making drama happen where it doesn't need to happen.

I love how calmly you worded all that. Community could use more level headed folks such as yourself.

Awkward Couch1 votes

Stop you're making me blush. ^.^

Awkward Couch3 votes

The system is AUTOMATED, and only goes on numbers, not the quality of reports.

You mean like this?

And after 15 minutes of searching the internet, ask.fm reddit and the league boards, I have yet to find anything about "honest reports".

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

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Source please? Lyte said it himself. Do some research.

It is automated, it is not just punishing people based on how often they get reported.

Source

I don't think there are many unjust bans and chat restrictions, and players are definitely not being chat restricted just because of being reported--the system doesn't work off just reports. Secondly, the Report System validates every report, so if you are a player that false or troll reports often your reports are worth nothing to all player behavior systems. If you are a player that reports accurately, your reports become more valuable. All replacement systems directly assess and review chat logs, and all systems have some form of manual review to ensure a high accuracy.

Source

Player behavior systems are not just based on reports. Even if a premade of 4 reported you, if the reports are false, you won't receive a penalty. All player behavior systems are backed by the Report System, which tries to validate every single report. If a report is false, the reporter loses "value" in his reports and the relevant player behavior system ignores the reports. If a report is accurate, the reporter gains "value" and his reports become more powerful. The current Reform System analyzes chat logs for negative behaviors, so it goes beyond just looking at false or accurate reports.

Source

Yes! The Report system can assess the quality of reports and determine whether a report is accurate or false. Players who repeatedly file false reports may end up losing all of the "value" of their reports, and potentially could get harsher penalties like a game ban.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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It is automated, it is not just punishing people based on how often they get reported.

Source

Source

Source

Believe those lies all you want. The system is automated. It takes the same exact steps. 10 game chat, 25 game chat, 14 day suspension, perma ban. It's based on how many times you get reported, at any level, by any account. New or old. It is automated. FACT.

SmokedAlmonds5 votes

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Believe those lies all you want. The system is automated. It takes the same exact steps. 10 game chat, 25 game chat, 14 day suspension, perma ban. It's based on how many times you get reported, at any level, by any account. New or old. It is automated. FACT.

No one is arguing that it isn't automated, in fact I even stated that it is.

You are just completely wrong about the automation process.

Awkward Couch3 votes

Did you even read what SmokedAlmonds said? Again since hyperlinks are too complex for you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/37jego/doing_badly_is_not_reportable_being_toxic_while/crncnvr

Player behavior systems are not just based on reports. Even if a premade of 4 reported you, if the reports are false, you won't receive a penalty. All player behavior systems are backed by the Report System, which tries to validate every single report. If a report is false, the reporter loses "value" in his reports and the relevant player behavior system ignores the reports. If a report is accurate, the reporter gains "value" and his reports become more powerful. The current Reform System analyzes chat logs for negative behaviors, so it goes beyond just looking at false or accurate reports.

That is directly from Lyte. The person you claim, though no one has been able to find any sort of mention anywhere, that this system relies on honest reports.

Again if you actually read the comments that people wrote, you would see that no one is arguing that the new system is automated. You are however dead wrong about how it works, and the fact that you still haven't check out any evidence means you must really like sticking to your guns when you are dead wrong.

reklawyksekul1 votes

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Source please? You clearly misunderstood something there. There has been a report filter since before Tribunal. And I mean, obviously the system requires honest reports. If you don't have any honest reports the system doesn't even work to begin with. That doesn't mean that 100% of the reports have to be honest reports. It doesn't even have to be the majority of reports, depending on how the filtering works.

Also, it does mean if 100% of the reports are NOT honest, they will have the same effect. You have no idea what you're talking about. IT IS AUTOMATED.

Awkward Couch3 votes

Apparently clicking on hyperlinks are too complex for you to use so I'll post this AGAIN here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/37jego/doing_badly_is_not_reportable_being_toxic_while/crncnvr

You are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

That's... not at all what the quote is.

It's "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That means you treat other people the way you WANT to be treated.

Don't twist it to justify your toxicity like an asshole.

Twiggles2 votes

"Retaliation" How about "Do unto others" ever hear of that? I treat people like they treat me.

That's not how that saying works. It is: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That doesn't mean treat people badly when they treat you badly. It means to treat people how you want to be treated. This saying is one meant to promote peace and goodwill for the betterment of mankind, not to promote negativity for the sake of petty squabbling.

I find the fact that you would misquote and misrepresent an important biblical quote like this for the sake of justifying your negative behavior very offensive. And I'm not even Christian!

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