After getting a Janna top and having to play support i decided to pick teemo as support. I had a bad game and was then suspended for 14 days. I went 0-8-1 and the janna top went 1-7-2 if i remember correctly. How does riot see it fair to suspend me after being trolled since champ select? This game makes less sense to me day by day.
Chermorg5 votesThree things could've happened:
You stole the support role and forced Janna, who was assigned support, to go top, leading to your punishment.
Your deaths were suspicious and flagged as intentional feeding.
You were toxic in communications.
Or some combination of the three.
Plat Police1 votesif u check my match history i have not been feeding and the thing is as i said i got support and he got top and he puposely picked janna for top.
Chermorg2 votesAnd he's allowed to do that.
You're not allowed to flame him or troll just because he picked someone you didn't like.
Plat Police1 votesso when i pick teemo for support and have a bad game its ok that i get suspended? They did not ban me cause of what i said they just think i was feeding which i was not. I had a bad game.
Chermorg3 votesWhat is provided to you when you log in? What exactly does the message say?
Does it give you a game link, or does it give you chat logs?
Plat Police1 votesa game link.
Chermorg3 votesYes, it would appear both from your attitude here and from the suspicious stats from that game that you were not trying to win.
You got caught griefing, if not outright inting.
Plat Police1 votesthats absurd that i was inting....if i tell the team that the game is over cause enemy too fed.. that's not griefing.. but then what about the janna stats..i mean riot decides to penalise me cause i had a bad game but not a top laner that feeds also.... and the thing is from my match history i have not been feeding...i just had a bad game...
Plat Police1 votesdieing 8 times in a game doesn't mean you're inting.. the enemy just decided to pick on me cause i was weaker.... my build wasn't even troll i was providing vision for the team and trying to do what damage i could. Making the best of a game that's lost is not against any rules.
Gabresol1 votesYes, it would appear both from your attitude here and from the suspicious stats from that game that you were not trying to win.
You got caught griefing, if not outright inting.
What attitude? He picked Teemo on support, what not only is an actal pick that exists, but can also be excused by him not being sure, wether Janna is actually going top or was just no commnicating that would go botlane. Since TP adc is currently happening at MSI some Challneger wannabes might as well pick it on supp (I have alredy seen that myself).
You can also not saying he is griefing for building nashor's since brand and zyra do build full ap on supp as well.
He was obviously reported, but since 1/4 is a score that can get you reported I would not put too much value into that. Especially since he has no other game like that (except from a 0/9/4 Lux game, but I think he failed at anticipating Shaco and Twitch coming out of nowhere).
I call total failure of the system on that penaltie!
Tuition Fee3 votesLooked at your match. Janna had 50% kill participation, compared to your kill participation of 17%. You also had 78 cs, despite building nomad's. 3k damage to champions, 14k taken.
Plat Police1 votesbad games happen as i said...but getting suspended for that was stupid. And if u compare it the rest of the history i was just my worst game in a while. That's it.
Gabresol1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Md90sLRZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-20T06:11:05.952+0000)
Looked at your match. Janna had 50% kill participation, compared to your kill participation of 17%. You also had 78 cs, despite building nomad's. 3k damage to champions, 14k taken.
Yeah... One might think that he might got cuaght by the Rengar split pushing since that would explain the high cs for a support as well as the 9/2 Rengar. Getting caught splitpushing might be playing terrible, but it is not intentional feeding. If that would be the case you would only get autofilled to adc in low elo, because 80% of all adcs in bronze would get banned
Plat Police1 votesis there any council i can carry this higher to speak about it?
Gabresol2 votes[{quoted}](name=Plat Police,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Md90sLRZ,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-05-20T08:51:35.844+0000)
is there any council i can carry this higher to speak about it?
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us you can issue a ticket here, asking for more information about it. Be as specific with your questions as possible, because they answer vague questions just as vague.
Plat Police1 votesthank you.
Umbral Regent3 votesSo, I can understand you being ready to stand in ardent defense of someone who was banned for intentionally feeding/trolling when we don't have all of the data. That's fine, I'm unsure of it myself, but I'm erring on the side that the punishment was merited largely because the fact that he got punished (which, punishments for trolling/feeding are very rare) indicates that something was more than fishy about that match beyond the Teemo pick.
So, I want to go over some of the info that Tuition Fee brought up, and I'll also go over some of the stuff you said.
This is already something sketchy. As a Support, kill participation shouldn't be so minimal, and, while I'd forgive damage in many cases for Supports...We're talking about Teemo. A Teemo who built Nashor's Tooth. Teemo Support isn't a low-damage pick, and you'd certainly expect him to have a higher kill participation than what he has.
The low damage to Champions and low kill participation tell me that, despite building a damage-focused item, Teemo made every effort to avoid fighting, not commit to fights. Plus, the majority of his damage was Magical, meaning he hardly bothered to basic attack enemy Champions with an item intended for basic attacking with. I'm willing to wager that the majority of his (exceptionally low) damage came from Blinding Dart and Noxious Trap.
This, to me, is a massive red flag. I can barely get 60 CS as Leona in good matches where I have opportunities to CS while my lane partner is away. High CS scores as a Support often mean one of two things: 1. The match is dragging out for a really long time and you're getting the opportunity to clear waves, or 2. you're stealing shit.
You suppose that Teemo was splitpushing - well, fair assumption, but here's an issue: If Ezreal had no issue farming (he did have 134 CS by the end of the match), why was he stuck at just under two items, and why was Teemo an item ahead? Supports don't outpace their lane partners just by performing well. In virtually every case, if a Support is playing straight, they'll be just behind their lane partner, not ahead.
Between that and his low kill participation/fight commitment, I personally think that Teemo went out of their way to avoid fights, committed nothing to the fights they were stuck in, and made an effort to try to steal lane farm. Which, ultimately, amounts to trolling.
This, I'd argue is less of an indicator of an offense, and more of a compliment to the offense. On top of the very likely trolling mentioned earlier, the only person with more damage taken than Teemo was Olaf...Who had half of Teemo's death count, higher kill participation by far (50%), and is a diver, meaning he's given to less scrutiny regarding damage taken.
The fact that Teemo took nearly as much damage as Olaf, died twice as many times, and did so little damage of his own, again, points to there being no effort or commitment to fights.
Now, you claim Rengar was the reason for Teemo's high death-count as a consequence of Teemo's hypothetical splitpushing, buuuuuut, there's an issue. Rengar only killed Teemo once. Azir killed him once (while Teemo was protecting top-lane inhibitor turret), and Zilean killed him once (First Blood, surprisingly a towerdive).
The vast majority of Teemo's deaths were at the hands of Jinx. Jinx killed Teemo five times. Once under her own turret, once mid-way down the lane, once under (what I can only assume is) the ruins of Teemo's outer turret, once in Dragon pit, and once mid-way down red-side bottom lane.
Rengar may have played a part in Teemo's countless deaths, but Teemo didn't get caught split-pushing. But (and this doesn't mean I don't think the punishment is merited anymore, mind, I still believe Teemo trolled) he didn't intentionally feed, either. He got his ass handed to him and got steamrolled several times in lane.
But, even with that, there's still two questionable deaths. The dragon encounter, and a towerdive against Jinx. The dragon encounter in particular is odd to me, since Teemo died at dragon pit, and in the same rough timespan, Rengar managed to kill Ezreal and Janna near the red team's middle inhibitor turret/jungle.
Why the hell would Teemo go for Dragon while his team's pressed elsewhere on the map? It doesn't make sense for him to be so far away from the fight unless he's deliberately leaving his team high and dry.
So, all said, I personally believe the punishment is merited. I think Teemo trolled in that match, and the "Intentional Feeding" message is just a misnomer/umbrella message to cover gameplay toxicity in general.
Jamaree1 votesPost your chat logs.
Gabresol1 votes6 kills for the entire team. Teemo spend most of his time deffing botlane (at some point with out ezreal) while the kills were all around top and midlane. The asisst happened most likely when Azir died close to fountain at the end. Teemo in this match up does not have the range to do much damage. He goes for a Q and gets double bomb. Especially since heh as an ADC with no CC or other utility to back him up (Jinx could e in the way, mf e and Jhin straight up snare the zilean after a teemo blind as some examples).
The CS part is very simple. Not only did he apperantly defend toplane solo against Azir for some time at their Inhib Turret (That's where he also died to said Azir), Teemo was not toplane when Ezreal was there to get 2 kills on Rengar at 2 different times, one of these times, Teemo died to Jinx and she took the T2 botlane turret as a result of this.
He died 8 times! Would have been weird if he did not take a lot of damage to cuase these deaths. Olaf can ult and run off when getting hit with a stun, meaning that not every damage meant death for him. Not only is Teemo slower than an ADC with crit items (because they all give ms and Teemo's w is a joke), making it easy for Jinx to just run him over(especially if she has rebuffs and we know she had at least one this game), he also has no means to escape Zileans double bomb which already burst for a good chunk, neither has he any counter CC, unlike Janna who still only took 600 less damage.
Also! He was not not punished for "griefing" or "inting" what is the only reports that really take your kda and damage done to damage taken value into account if you were not afk. And since he took most of this damage trying to defend turrets (also alone at some times as already mentioned), you cannot say that he did not try to at least do something, even if he had a terrible pick and did not play well.
After having to look into the statistics myself, I can also confirm that Rengar did not really do anything at places that were lower than midlane. But given what we know, that does not really matter anymore.
The only question I have is how efficent is the coin and it follow up items are that Teemo ended up with more gold than Lux, since she apperantly did not afk given her level. Writing of Lux, given that Irelia and Rengar took quite a lot of damage, but did only die twice it is save to assume that most of the damage dealt by Lux was dealt with E and maybe R and most of Janna's damage were Q poke and in Laning Phase her W. Teemo does not have the range to go for free poke like this.
Plat Police1 votesthanks.