Discussing how riot should Avoid having to ban players.

TintedRed··2 votes·581 views
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Well in my most recent game I was banned for 14 days for toxic behavior. Also i have received the first 2 Offensives , making my next offense a permaban. But what confuses me is how This matchmaking is done. I mainly play Norms and i really only do Ranked with friends or if i feel like playing it but most of the time i do Draft/Blind pick. But what i noticed is that in my blind / drafts i'm put with some players who aren't even level 30 yet , And even if its not ranked they should at least have the decency to put me with players who are at least near me skill wise. Also the matchmaking gets even worst , its as if you don't do ranked flex/ solo/duo They literally put you with the most random leagues ever , In my recent games they would put me with Bronze 4 and 5 with most of them having low lp While I just finished my provisional games and i got silver.
It just seems like Riot loves to Shame Toxic players then they create scenarios where it would be normal for any normal being to get aggravated And it pisses me off Because this is my first season playing and Some players even say its good to /Muteall in your games to avoid being toxic, but then you get reported for not communicating enough with your team, Even with the new pings you cant tell your team everything. It just seems to me that riot bans / shames toxic players but then doesn't go out of their way to avoid them

By the way the link to the game i gave you is the one where the teams are completely unbalanced and most of the players have 0 to no relation

28 Comments

AeroWaffle3 votes

Normals have their own MMR. A plat could be matched with someone who's bronze if their normal MMR were close to each other.

Chermorg3 votes

Yeah. Let's stop punishing robbers and just tell stores to stop opening in high crime areas.

That'll solve things.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

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Yeah. Let's stop punishing robbers and just tell stores to stop opening in high crime areas.

That'll solve things.

I think the idea was more to prevent the creation of robbers in the first place. For instance, giving them an socioeconomic opportunity in life that doesn't force them to resort to theft in order to survive. But hey, I'm all for jumping on the bandwagon and just badmouthing people who suffer under certain stigmas.

Edit -- I'd like to state that I'm not supporting the OP in this statement. Just figured we shouldn't stigmatize criminals without considering all the details.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Oh no, we are not going Les Miserab (or however ya spell it). Regardless of the intentions of the one doing the crime, if you're caught you do the time.

We all stop and weep at the poor starving family, but lets put this situation on the field. The Baker must sell his bread for money, or else he can't get more materials for his shop and family.

If the Poorman steals from him, than his family is now worse off, but the Poorman's family now has bread. Is that fair for the Baker, the man who must work for his and his family's well being, whilst the Poorman simply steals his hardwork without paying?

Blood Lyrics1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-06-17T18:26:43.662+0000)

We all stop and weep at the poor starving family, but lets put this situation on the field. The Baker must sell his bread for money, or else he can't get more materials for his shop and family.

If the Poorman steals from him, than his family is now worse off, but the Poorman's family now has bread. Is that fair for the Baker, the man who must work for his and his family's well being, whilst the Poorman simply steals his hardwork without paying?

If the Baker has been voting to keep the Poorman in poverty, then perhaps on a cosmic level, yes.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

What even....

Blood Lyrics1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-18T00:31:55.228+0000)

What even....

A more thorough explanation is that a lot of people are in poverty and are kept in poverty because society works in such a fashion that enables it. A child grows up in a poor neighborhood. Legislators make it so that very little money gets funneled into that town/neighborhood such that the education and welfare system are severely lacking. Is it the child's fault that later on, when he lacks the skills necessary to function properly in society and has to resort to stealing in order to live? Sure, the Baker isn't sitting there blocking the flow of money, but not voicing against the oppression of the poor is a small factor in forcing people down bad roads.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Doesn't matter, they're stealing and should be punished if caught. Just because the Baker is more concerned with his own well being, and his family's, doesn't make it right of fair to steal.

Perhaps offer to work for free, in exchange for food, so you can get a skill, have food, and eventually make your way up in the workforce instead of resorting to crime.

It's always a choice to steal. Coming from a bad background doesn't stop that. We're all responsible for our own actions and words, regardless of everything.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-18T02:01:39.095+0000)

Doesn't matter, they're stealing and should be punished if caught. Just because the Baker is more concerned with his own well being, and his family's, doesn't make it right of fair to steal.

Perhaps offer to work for free, in exchange for food, so you can get a skill, have food, and eventually make your way up in the workforce instead of resorting to crime.

It's always a choice to steal. Coming from a bad background doesn't stop that. We're all responsible for our own actions and words, regardless of everything.

Okay. So if you ever kill someone in self-defense (e.g. shoot or be shot situation), you should be jailed. Just because you are more concerned with your own well-being and life, doesn't make it right to kill before you are killed?

Coming from a bad background justifies plenty of things. Child soldiers are brainwashed and drugged until they do not know any better. Is it the child's fault that they have killed and done heinous acts? Should they be the ones receiving the punishment?

Sure, it's a choice to steal. But if the choice is between starving to death and stealing, the right choice is always stealing.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Self Defense and stealing are both different. We have laws on Self defense because it falls under "The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". There is no right to Bread, and you violate someone else's Pursuit of Happiness by stealing from them. You're ruining their income, their ability to supply their own family.

Once again, killing and stealing are two majorly different things. You can't compare the two based only on a single likeness.

If you steal, you're doing it of your own choice and regard. Those children soldiers are forced into that life or they're killed. No one is threatening you to steal IN the first example given. We're not talking fringe cases.

Blood Lyrics1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-18T03:02:19.519+0000)

Self Defense and stealing are both different. We have laws on Self defense because it falls under "The right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". There is no right to Bread, and you violate someone else's Pursuit of Happiness by stealing from them. You're ruining their income, their ability to supply their own family.

Once again, killing and stealing are two majorly different things. You can't compare the two based only on a single likeness.

If you steal, you're doing it of your own choice and regard. Those children soldiers are forced into that life or they're killed. No one is threatening you to steal IN the first example given. We're not talking fringe cases.

Hello? Eating is part of Life.

Moreover, they've participated in the violation of your "Pursuit of Happiness" by turning a blind eye to the economic discrimination inflicted on you via the place of your birth.

If not stealing bread means dieing of starvation, then killing and stealing are no different.

If you steal bread in order to live, you are forced into that life or you die. No one is threatening you? What about death threatening you with starvation?

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

A. Life does not include food. It means and includes your actual right to live. You have a right to live, and we have laws to protect that right. Bread is not included.

B. You are not freely given it. You have the right to pursue happiness. You are not owed it, and you do not innately deserve it. You earn it.

C. News Flash kid, it's not a crime to put yourself and your family over someone else. It's called help yourself before you help others. They aren't required to help you. That's not a law.

D. Try throwing that infront of a judge. I'm sure he'll let you go. /s

Blood Lyrics1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-18T04:14:05.632+0000)

A. Life does not include food. It means and includes your actual right to live. You have a right to live, and we have laws to protect that right. Bread is not included.

B. You are not freely given it. You have the right to pursue happiness. You are not owed it, and you do not innately deserve it. You earn it.

C. News Flash kid, it's not a crime to put yourself and your family over someone else. It's called help yourself before you help others. They aren't required to help you. That's not a law.

D. Try throwing that infront of a judge. I'm sure he'll let you go. /s

Yeah and as it turns out, living requires eating. Awfully odd protection of the right to live if you don't include the right to obtain food.

So because of the place of your birth, you are inherently more worthy of life than another? Someone who toils 18 hours a day as a peasant in a third-world country isn't working harder than some rich-kid who lives off his parents' money? Has that rich-kid earned his right to pursue happiness? That's a bad joke and we all know it.

It's not a crime. You're right. But when you place yourself above others, as least have the dignity to recognize that someone else may be suffering because of it.

The judicial system is hardly fair. It may symbolically represent justice, but it sure doesn't physically. Those with socioeconomic difficulties are almost always given harsher verdicts than their affluent counterparts.

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MMeArEyg,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-18T04:14:05.632+0000) News Flash kid

Also, seriously, what's with the name-calling? You know literally nothing about me. Have some respect for others.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

Doesn't matter. You should be in control of yourself, no matter the scenario. You're responsible for your own actions, even if put into a less than ideal environment.

TintedRed1 votes

Yeah I'm not sure if your a saint or something but everyone isn't a big fan of getting horrible teammates and then being banned when you get the slight most upset

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

You don't get banned for being upset, you get banned for being consistently toxic. Take responsibility for your own actions and feelings, no matter the environment.

Silent Gravity2 votes

You should be able to control yourself no matter who you're matched with.

But, I'm not certain that you're all that much better than the people you're matched with. http://www.leaguemath.com/farm-and-wards-per-league-per-role/ is older data, but CSing hasn't changed much. Your absolute best CS per minute so far is 4. Most beginners are placed into Silver to start. You've only got a 36% win rate. And, um, that match you linked was a 5v4.

It may sound like I'm attacking you, but calming yourself down to look at the data could do you some good.

TintedRed1 votes

I'm ultimately sure that getting good creepscore isn't going to carry you to challenger and the only reason why my win rate In ranked is trash is because I did my provisionals with only 100-200 norms done , so relying on winrate and cs to determine someone's overall skill is certainly fucking stupid. And that match was 5v4 with a feeding Warwick who gave my mid laner free kills

ShizzleNIZ1 votes

The same thing has happened to me ! Over one Normal game I got banned for 14 days.... I think Rito should make a system for normals where if you get a certain amount of reports (FROM BOTH TEAMS) then you should be punished... simply relying on one persons report is aggravating

TrulyBland3 votes

They don't "rely" on one person's report. The report triggers the review, and the review relies on the actual chat log.

Either way, your suggestion leads to pretty bad problems: A) The suggestion of requiring both teams means you are either giving people a free pass when insulting their own team, or you are not only condoning but requiring people to report blindly without actually knowing what happened. B) It shouldn't even require your own team though. You are creating a situation where complacency of teammates means people are free to harass you. And let's not even start talking about premades or just mob mentality in general. C) It would obviously increase the "report X please"-epidemic, which further escalates situations. Especially since everybody who is worried about losing their account could just start lying in all chat. You're turning every even mildly toxic situation into a game ruining tug of war for reports.

Aptest1 votes

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yes normal games have a ramndom-y matchmaking algo with a lot of skill variance allowed. it's good for allowing you to play with / against higher skill opponents and for having fun with your friends. however this is why some of us go ranked.

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you dont get reported for not communicating. nobody actually reports for that.

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you wanted a discussion about banning people. im game for that however do you have a thought on the topic ?

Dolyna3 votes

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you dont get reported for not communicating. nobody actually reports for that.

I've heard of it happening. But it's a useless report, since it's not a reportable offense.

TintedRed1 votes

We do have to remember that singed support main who got banned for lack of communication with his teammates

TintedRed1 votes

My goal isn't to try and make myself look like a good person because I did deserve my ban , but I highly doubt I have the mmr of a lv 28 and if riot really wants to keep bans at a low count they shouldn't make matches with players of total different skill levels and then act so amazed when someone gets pissed or agitated in one of their games , norms or not.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

You obviously do have the mmr of a level 28.

Some of those level 28 may even be gold smurfs.

TintedRed1 votes

The level 28 in my game had a horrible kdr , couldn't gank and made horrible in game decisions , our mmr weren't even close to eachother

TintedRed1 votes

The level 28 in my game had a horrible kdr , couldn't gank and made horrible in game decisions , our mmr weren't even close

Miror B1 votes

I'd personally like to see them give out punishments that fit the crimes on here (I made a similar post a while ago about my idea for punishments, so it may sound the same, but f'ck it). Let's say you call someone a "f-ggot" in game: instead of getting a punishment, what if rito forced you to sit through a half-hour documentary on the history of gay/lesbian rights and had you answer a questionaire at the end of it all? Acting like a self-centered twat in most of your games? Be forced to watch something on extreme narcicism. People tend to hate the punishments on here because they're far too broad and are often the same no matter what you do (you can get a 14-day ban literally a hundred different ways). Perhaps they'd like it more if the punishments fit the crimes?

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