Banning System

ImSingle··1 votes·607 views

Hello everyone looking at this post. Im here about the banning system, since ive heard from friend they agreed my point. So on my main account, (GokkeDyret Huggo) i got my perma ban. I was toxic. I agree, i was toxic. I said words i shouldnt have said. And now, with the new preseason im ofc sad because my 36k+ blue essence, skins, champs, and so on is locked away. It was my fault i got banned, i know. So when i got my ban, i was thinking how the system worked. So i reached the support and got my answers. It works like this. If u report a player for feed, it will check how many deaths, kills and assists (as i understood it). If u have have 20 deaths, it will ban u. If u get reported for verbal abuse (or what its called) it will check if u type %%%got, gay, retard, bitch etc. (edit me if im wrong). But it cant see how people play. Yes, i know the concept. Dont fight fire with fire. And what if u have a really bad game, where u get 15 deaths. If your team dont like u, they can report u, and then u get ban? The game i got my ban, I was playing ranked. (For some weird reason i cant get find the game, so i cant give 100% accurate info) I had 2 trollers. They troll picked and played bad/a bit feed, and they flamed, the whole game, and i lost it. I just lost it. I dont know what happend, but i went nuts. I know what i did was wrong, really wrong. I was highly offensive, but now its too late. All the time, effort and money i put into this, its gone, because i couldnt control myself. I know everyone can just say they are sorry and then ask for a ban-remove. But that game, and all other games. I know its wrong to flame/being toxic. But it feels like Riot bans the ones typing the offensive words, rather than the players troll and making them toxic. It like taking the leafs of a tree, they will grow out again. But if u remove water, the leafs wont grow(hope u get the point). Same goes for toxicity. If u remove the trollers people have nothing to flame about. Still, i know people will flame u if u play bad, ''havent ganked enough'', or failed a smite on the last baron. Those should be punished. I think its wrong to flame people for playing bad, ive had many bad games myself, where i couldnt farm, get some good picks or making some plays. I dont have a solution to this. U cant program a bot to check if u emote spam when your teamate dies, or hitting the plant so ur teamate gets knocked back into enemy team. The only thing i think could work, if every new season. You get ur banned removed. So instead of Perma ban, its 'Season ban'. I dont know how this would work, but thats the only thing i can think of. But luckely Riot games have the money, time, crew and effort to figure something out. If u have come this far in you reading this, thank you for your time.

Kind Regards, GokkeDyret Huggo/ImSingle

PS, feel free to type your opinion and points to this.

45 Comments

ModThe Djinn7 votes

If u report a player for feed, it will check how many deaths, kills and assists (as i understood it).

This is inaccurate. The system can -- to my knowledge -- detect purchases, death timings, damage, CS, movement patterns, etc. It is pretty good at differentiating between doing poorly and intentionally feeding.

But it feels like Riot bans the ones typing the offensive words, rather than the players troll and making them toxic.

Riot bans both, and it bans trolls aggressively. The only catch is that trolling behavior is sometimes a bit harder to detect, so it can take a little longer (which is somewhat mitigated by intentionally throwing a game being a 14-day ban on the first offense).

U cant program a bot to check if u emote spam when your teamate dies, or hitting the plant so ur teamate gets knocked back into enemy team.

You can, actually. Both of those behaviors would be pretty easy to detect. If emote spam starts becoming a huge trolling issue, I'm sure Riot will address it accordingly.

The only thing i think could work, if every new season. You get ur banned removed.

This would lead to a massive increase in toxicity at the start and end of every season, and I can't in good conscious say I support this idea. It takes a lot of toxicity to earn a permanent ban, and I don't think it should be rolled back at all, let alone with this regularity.

ImSingle2 votes

Thank you for your answer, i didnt know they had a program/bot like that.

NeedsAnotherName1 votes

I got a 15 day ban for making gay jokes about myself to a homophobic Zed yet I was the one punished. Your bot if flawed for this reason alone. I won a game vs a homophobe who false report everyone = get banned. Thanks Rito I'll be sure to never talk or do anything in the game, I'll make sure to lose all my games and never touch ranked games anymore.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

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I got a 15 day ban for making gay jokes about myself to a homophobic Zed yet I was the one punished.

Without seeing the chat logs I can't comment much on this situation, except to say that if you got an immediate two week ban you were probably using the zero tolerance language, which is not acceptable even as a joke.

NeedsAnotherName1 votes

Wow that's pretty retarded.. I get suppressed and a homophobic false reporting zed gets away Scott free. thanks Rito. I'll just stop playing now, and go play other games, follow the route of dunkey.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}...zed gets away Scott free. thanks Rito.

If he was using homophobic slurs then he likely didn't get away free -- you just probably weren't the one to get the message that he got punished.

ImSingle1 votes

Thats what this post is about. Hopefully someone from Riot will see this post, and comment/think about it. I doubt it, but u never know.

NeedsAnotherName1 votes

Guess I'll just not talk in games ever again. I now know there's key words in league that instantly ban you. thanks riot. way to communist.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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Guess I'll just not talk in games ever again.

You can talk all you want -- the only trigger words, to my knowledge, are hate speech, slurs, and encouragements to self-harm. It's not that hard to simply not use those words, and just avoid insulting other players. You do you though. :)

ImSingle1 votes

I got picked on a whole game (my whole team hated med and called me out), i finished the game with a ''nice feed'' and i got 14 day ban. For saying ''nice feed'' 1 time in a game. Riot savage

ModPrandine

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I got picked on a whole game (my whole team hated med and called me out), i finished the game with a ''nice feed'' and i got 14 day ban. For saying ''nice feed'' 1 time in a game. Riot savage

We both know that's not true. Saying "nice feed" once, while not helpful, will not get you a 2-week ban by itself. If you still have access to the chat logs then please post them here in their entirety.

ImSingle1 votes

Is there any place i can find the chat logs? other than it pops up when i log in? because my 2 week ban is done.

ImSingle1 votes

Oh, my bad. I switching things up. (lol im dumb). So from this game i got 10 game chat restriction.

When i look at this now, i have nothing to complain about

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ps, lol im actually dumb af

ModPrandine

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Oh, my bad. I switching things up. (lol im dumb). So from this game i got 10 game chat restriction. Next game i said ''Fuck rito'' and got 14 day ban. (i asked for it) I play evelynn ImSingle: weak ganks before 6 ImSingle: im not invisible rn ImSingle: cant gank before 6 ImSingle: loll ImSingle: lol ImSingle: lol ImSingle: u cant report for instalock ImSingle: im not trolling ImSingle: blame me for that? ImSingle: loll ImSingle: this eve uselsss (me) ImSingle: troll (talking about myself) ImSingle: trynda ImSingle: chill ImSingle: take some ice ImSingle: and u carry twitch? ImSingle: nice follow (this is kinda toxic) ImSingle: twitch 1/ ImSingle: 1/5 ImSingle: 5 deaths ImSingle: nice feed (this is toxic) ImSingle: :)) ImSingle: what now? ImSingle: ''i didnt help gp''? ImSingle: 'and u feed ImSingle: nice flash q ImSingle: skilled? ImSingle: yes ImSingle: ik ImSingle: okay ImSingle: and u report me for what?= ImSingle: griefing? ImSingle: u report me for what? ImSingle: yes ImSingle: can u report gp flame and toxic? ImSingle: i troll i think ImSingle: they tell me im trolling ImSingle: blitz ImSingle: what will u report me for? ImSingle: blitsz ImSingle: u report me? ImSingle: u report me, yes or no? :) ImSingle: blitzzzzz? ImSingle: will u report me? ImSingle: they say i troll and int ImSingle: :(( ImSingle: while u at it ImSingle: can u report gp flame ? ImSingle: ty ImSingle: yup ImSingle: i flamed me ImSingle: soo ImSingle: ban me for what? ImSingle: im trolling sooo much ImSingle: gp ImSingle: report ImSingle: can say that word ImSingle: its offensive ImSingle: gp u calmed down now? ImSingle: pls ni ImSingle: remember to report me for troll and int ImSingle: gj gp ImSingle: r t ImSingle: i did ImSingle: XD ImSingle: XD ImSingle: D ImSingle: D ImSingle: XD ImSingle: gg? XD ImSingle: i trol xd ImSingle: lol

ps, lol im actually dumb af

Pretty much the vast majority of the chat is spent complaining and calling for reports against multiple people, including yourself for whatever reason. While there's no rule against talking allot, when the vast majority of your chat is just complaining about other people that's time that could be better spent on the actual game itself.

In the future I would recommend focusing more on your game and less on other people, and use the mute button if things start getting out of hand.

ImSingle2 votes

Yes, i know. Im very bad at muting, like, very very bad. I dont know what it is, but the 'mute' button finished off with a report. It just doesnt feel that good. It probably sound weird, but it doesnt feel like its enough. When people flame me, i have the wrong mind set, and begin to give something back. In this case not something direclty offensive. More annoying. As i said, this one is on me.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Yes, i know. Im very bad at muting, like, very very bad. I dont know what it is, but the 'mute' button finished off with a report. It just doesnt feel that good. It probably sound weird, but it doesnt feel like its enough. When people flame me, i have the wrong mind set, and begin to give something back. In this case not something direclty offensive. More annoying. As i said, this one is on me.

Trust me, I get it, I don't like using the mute button either. However, I've learned that sometimes it's better to mute someone who's chat raging so you can have one less distraction. Plus there's always the chance that the rager will stop raging and focus on the game instead since no one is reacting to them.

ImSingle2 votes

I agree. The best thing to do is mute and report, in any cases.

ImSingle1 votes

True shit. I got triggered, the game after i spammed fuck rito and a bunch of other harrasing things at rito.

ImSingle1 votes

True...

ImSingle1 votes

Thank for your opinion. Rip u :(

ImSingle1 votes

I get your point, people will flame at the end of a season. Maybe it could be a 3 month ban? Just something that isnt perma. Most people change. But i reached the support and asked 'what about a perma-chat restriction' or something blocking them from flaming. They said 'There is no such punishment as a permanent chat restriction'. I dont know what to say, i just think a perma ban is a big thing. I understand if u flame every game, but if u lost it like i did, it feels soo bad :( And many flamers are good at the game, just not good with teammates and how to talk.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Maybe it could be a 3 month ban?

Then you have toxic players bouncing in and out, when you could just not have the toxic players at all.

Most people change.

Riot's tests indicated that this wasn't really the case. I'm sure most people could change EVENTUALLY, but there's a limit to how much toxicity we should allow in the meantime. Permanently banned players already had several chances to show reform, and are still allowed to make new accounts.

But i reached the support and asked 'what about a perma-chat restriction' or something blocking them from flaming.

Riot tried this. The experiment did not meet with success, and was thus discontinued.

And many flamers are good at the game, just not good with teammates and how to talk.

Frankly, and this may sound blunt, no one CARES how good someone is at the game. The MMR system exists to make sure ALL players can play with someone of their skill level, and having more "good" players doesn't matter. What does matter is having fewer players who are insulting or belittling other players.

ImSingle1 votes

Didnt know they tried the perma chat ban, and about the 3 month ban. Do people really wanna log in every 3 months to flame and get banned?

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}Do people really wanna log in every 3 months to flame and get banned?

The point is that Riot has found, through experimentation, that there is no meaningful improvement in behavior if you have extra warnings or temporary bans. Really all this does is offer more opportunities for those players to spread toxicity, so there's no good incentive to implement this feature.

ImSingle1 votes

After all these posts, i can see my knowledge isnt up to date xd

ModPrandine

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Didnt know they tried the perma chat ban, and about the 3 month ban. Do people really wanna log in every 3 months to flame and get banned?

Well technically it was just infinitely stacking chat restrictions but it was difficult for some people to work them all off before getting slapped with more so essentially it was a permamute. As for the 3 month thing that's just the average amount of time it takes for an account to get back in good standing, but it ultimately depends on the persons own behavior.

ImSingle1 votes

Yes, i agree

ZenaSpiritdragon1 votes

You'd be surprised. Some people don't have anything better to do.

ImSingle1 votes

Thats sadly true...

RallerenP1 votes

If u report a player for feed, it will check how many deaths, kills and assists (as i understood it).

What the support rep also should have told you is that these are some of the things it looks at. There are other factors such as pathing and builds (and more) but Riot can't disclose alot of information. They should have told you that they can't release more information, because people have previously used information givent to make investigations harder.

If u get reported for verbal abuse (or what its called) it will check if u type %%%got, gay, retard, bitch etc. (edit me if im wrong). But it cant see how people play.

If you get reported for verbal abuse, seeing how people play is irrelevant. But yes, it does check for words. More importanlty it checks for consistency. It doesn't punish you for being toxic, it punishes you for being consistently toxic.

Yes, i know the concept. Dont fight fire with fire. And what if u have a really bad game, where u get 15 deaths. If your team dont like u, they can report u, and then u get ban?

Nope. The system is already not very effective at detecting inters, it's VERY rare it falsely flags someone falsely.

But it feels like Riot bans the ones typing the offensive words, rather than the players troll and making them toxic.

The problem is that Riot tries to do both, but fails at detecting inters. The reason for this is because people often report someone falsesly for inting, when they in reality just had bad games.

The only thing i think could work, if every new season. You get ur banned removed. So instead of Perma ban, its 'Season ban'.

No. Absolutely not. Riot already tried unbanning players, and 95% of people just got banned again. It's not worth risking that again, for the few people that truly have reformed.

The same would happen with a seasonal ban.

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I don't want to vote because you aren't dumb, just mis/uninformed. There is a huge difference.

ImSingle1 votes

Thank you for your time

wolfieman1 votes

Also u wont get banned unless it occurs more than once, they dont care if i happens once, they care when u do it almost every game. but yes u are completely right, riot is banning the people that react, they dont ban the cause just the effect.

ImSingle1 votes

Yes i know, i think i flamed 2 or 3 games in a month, and got banned. I know is my fault. This post is about taking out the toxic gas, not the people getting hit by it.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I feel your pain, dealing with teammates can be really frustrating and trying at times. Unfortunately Riot does not care how difficult your situation was, they still expect you to behave like an angel.

That said, we are still responsible for our behavior. That is why it is important to find ways to communicate with teammates that will get them to listen to you and stop tilting. It's hard to do but very rewarding when done well. I've written an entire post about how to deal with teammates and not get banned, if you're interested in learning more feel free to read it. And let me know if you have any questions or points to discuss, I'm happy to talk about this issue.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

ImSingle1 votes

Thanks, ill check it out!

The Cream Reaper1 votes

ImSingle

... and apparently a bit desperate

netflix and chill?:)

ImSingle2 votes

Hmm, u hot?

The Cream Reaper2 votes

that's up to you to decide ;)

but if you ask me... no... not in the slightest...

ImSingle1 votes

hmm, right now, im into grills ;/

ImSingle1 votes

sry :(

The Cream Reaper1 votes

story of my life :/

ImSingle1 votes

If u were a grill, i could help. But, in this case. Best of luck!

ps, try tinder or something

The Cream Reaper1 votes

been there done that

ImSingle1 votes

Facebook 'hot or not'?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Hell no, perma ban means permanently

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