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Riot encourages Cyber Bullying and MOB MENTALITY to ban people based on NUMBERS ONLY NOT ACTUAL NEED

HerbalRastaHaze··1 votes·634 views

League of legends is an incredibly fun game and has grown a lot. Another thing that has grown is the community. Sadly though our community has expanded drastically in the wrong directions. People are encouraged to not talk in games. You used to be able to report people for refusing to communicate because it breaks the game leaves you missing out on a key part of team work and encourages solo rambos to ruin game after game. The simple fact that Riot would ban someone who didn't curse a single time and simply stated how they felt in game is sick and wrong. The fact that you can have someone go 0/10 at 5 min and you tell them to please stop feeding and play defensive could get you reported and banned but the fact that they are sitting afk at tower because they are so tilted they wont play seriously anymore goes completely undisciplined. Reports that ban people are supposed to be involving some form of racial, sexual, or violent nature. If you were to actively state that someone is performing an action that is negatively effecting your league experience whether they are cheating and using a lag spike system, trolling SHOULDN'T get you banned in any way shape or form as long as it is stated through calm communication. (Experiences that people inflict upon you that you SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND UP AGAINST IN GAME THROUGH CHAT could be anything from the "its a game mentality nothing matters ill do as bad as i want" to telling people to kill them selves or direct insults towards a person because they showed that they care about the game and this makes it so that it is worth something because they are spending their finite time on something they enjoy) It is truly disturbing to see the frequency at which people are banned for simply communicating their suffering at the hands of another member of the community. Riot it is really time for you to step up and realize that the community doesnt want you banning people for saying

wow you must be cheating you are ruining the game for me please stop feeding I feel like im playing this game 1v9 i hate my life You are evil and you are enjoying the suffering of another human being

^ these are all normal statements of actual feeling and are completely safe communication is it the best NO but humans needs to be able to express when we feel wronged its natural to our species to cry out for help when being hurt by another and this report system encourages other people to see someone hurting and jump on them stomp them to the dirt till they are a bloody puddle of hatred THEN report them when they feel ganged up on and like they have no outlet of escape because trolls are validated as trolls and they should be ignored but we should be hurt and punished for us saying "Hey dude you are trolling me please stop this is a team game and you have been playing solo and not communicating at all for 15min and this is a ranked game!!!" Well guess what you were just chat restricted for speaking out against BAD BEHAVIOR AND THIS IS REPORTABLE BEHAVIOR WE WANT BANNED

  1. Die %%%%%%S! -- RACISM
  2. FUCK YOU %%%GOTS - HATE SPEECH
  3. KILL YOURSELF YOU DUMB ASS -VIOLENCE
  4. Score of 0/10/0 at 8min in the game and they say ITS JUST A GAME should be the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON TO BAN
  5. FUCK YOU BITCH WHY YOU DIE SO MUCH STOP BEING AGGRESSIVE YOU FUCKING DUMB ASS PIECE OF SHIT - VERBAL ABUSE/HARASSMENT(WHICH IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING You have died 10 times in 10 min please play safer you are tilting me) <-- safe way to communicate number 5

You may think omg he is dumb he thinks racists arent as bad as someone who says the game is only a game so it has no meaning, but you are wrong because the one who is racist is a single problem but the spread of that mentality that its just a game encourages people to ruin games over and over and SUPPORT the ruining of games through bad play habits like being a solo player and he person who says its just a game generally creates a mob mentality game where the people/person who care about the game as more then that mentality suggests are ganged up on and told they are to weak too play this game. (which is completely unfair and sick and wrong considering we are all mortal creatures and we live in a world ruled by corruption and the ONLY escape most of us have is pretending we are these magical heroes who can make a difference in life when in reality we are all fucked and are slaves)

22 Comments

FOR JUSTICE5 votes

Actually if you see a punished persons chatlog, its always much more then "youre 0/8 stop feeding" lol

But they 100% never ban anyone for sharing their sentiments, they ban you if said sentiments are meant to berate another player repeatedly. The key word here being repeatedly. Its fine to just say "dude that was a noob move" in 1 game, but it becomes a problem when you make it almost a habit. And if riot truly promoted this, this entire subforum wouldnt exist

The reason we much rather say just dont talk is because your exponentially more likely to say something toxic in chat when youre already on tilt, even if its just the anger talking

HerbalRastaHaze2 votes

As long as you communicate using safe communication it is NOT A REPORTABLE OFFENSE. If you are being habitually trolled and have the unlucky chance of experience 5 games in a row of "its just a game mentality trolls" it is perfectly acceptable to challenge that mentality with your own safe communication regardless of the number of times as long as it doesn't reach over into harassment or escalate with negative language like cursing and racial slurs.

The CHANCE of people being toxic doesn't matter it matters if they ARE and communicating that someone else is trolling you is NOT toxic as long as it is backed through the other persons actions. The simple fact that someone could say to me fuck you go die after dying 10 times in a row without changing their play style at all to adapt in game and i say 5 chats along the lines of your playstyle is legit ruining the game for the rest of us and im more likely to get banned then someone Who threatened with violence ANDDD used harassment speech is wrong and is a DIRECT result of riots behavior towards these actions.

Shreddermen571 votes

I would like to completely disagree with your statement on how someone who tells you to go die is not as likely to get banned as someone who says that they are ruining the game experience.

The only reason I could see the latter person getting banned over the former, would only be if the latter person went about it in a verbally abusive manner that would trigger the system to ban them.

In that situation though, both players should receive their due punishment.

Another thing that I must say is that cursing in your messages doesn't inherently deserve a ban, it is all about the manner in which you go about responding to the "troll". (Which the best thing to do in that situation is to not respond to them at all, since a response and attention is all that they want.)

tl;dr Just don't respond to "trolls", it's the best way to avoid a ban you think wasn't warranted.

ModPeriscope5 votes

Both verbal toxicity and gameplay toxicity ruin games. They're equally problematic. Most folks that have shared their chat logs here say a great deal more than "Please stop feeding." And if they were punished for just that one line (or similar), I would be surprised. Most players that get punished following the criteria you set (criticizing poorly performing players) continue calling the player bad, feeder, and etc. without offering any sort of advice that might be helpful, including "hug the turret."

Still, if that player were intentionally trying to lose the game, the chances of chat affecting his efforts would be astronomically low. So, any criticism of said player would be at best, neutral, and at worst harassment. Criticism of someone who is "just having a bad game" would still fall into that same spectrum.

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

Once again if you do not use curses, racial slurs/sexual slurs, or violence it is NOT reportable. If this distinction can't be made then riot needs to update the ban system and remove chat restriction replacing it with quick chat options until you complete the number of chat locked games offering 2 report types.

  1. Bannable reports- hate speech, cursing, racial slurs, and cheating
  2. Chat offense- repeated tilting/critism in games that is NOT cursing but could still be considered negative in nature or not helpful critism
ModPeriscope5 votes

Once again if you do not use curses, racial slurs/sexual slurs, or violence it is NOT reportable.

That's currently not true. You can be punished for harassing players without cursing. If you're suggesting this should be held to some other standard, then I fail to see why.

The way you're describing the punishment system sounds about how it works right now. It seems from your OP and this reply that you don't feel harassment should get you a permanent ban, is that correct?

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

Well it depends on the harassment because so many people blanket everything as harassment. If you compare racial slurs to stop feeding statements you will see one needs a perma ban and one doesnt. On the other hand having an option for people who EXCESSIVELY chat to be chat restricted or a new system for quick chats developed is necessary because it is not fair when riot is considering them completely equal and their actions prove that by having a one ban type fits all system.

The current system encourages report abuse and mob mentality to rule. People have developed a natural habit of picking out those that "complain" or show weakness towards a trolls actions. These people instead of encouraging or agreeing with the victim are blaming the victim as the problem and the trolls actions are validated and encouraged with others joining in saying things like wow if you cant handle a troll in league good luck with real life.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Players don't want to be harassed in game, they don't want hate speech, or intentional feeding. You get punished for these differently, based on severity of the offense. If you don't reform, you're eventually permabanned.

I don't see why that should change.

HalcyonDweller5 votes

This differs greatly from my own experience when playing this game.

On report stacking, and calling for reports

It only takes one report to flag a game for review, so there's no reason for people to 'gang up' or try to get additional people to report one person. 1 report counts the same as 9 when it comes to marking the game to be reviewed.

The only reason people ever say, "report X for Y" is because they have been misinformed or they falsely believe that multiple reports increase the likelihood of punishment. This is not the case, and Riot's system actually punishes people for harassing others in this manner (by calling for other people to report the one person).

on severity of punishment and how each behavior is punished

Different severity behaviors are punished differently. Hateful or especially toxic behavior is punished more severely and much more quickly than minor negative behaviors. Really bad behaviors are punished harshly immediately, while minor behaviors are punished with minor punishments at first but those punishments escalate up to harsher punishments if they continue. This is because the player is refusing to learn from their mistakes and is clearly choosing to continue harassing others despite being warned not to.

Each player is punished for their own behavior. This is because they are in control of themselves and thus are responsible for how they act. If somebody was a flaming jerk to you in-game, they will get punished. If you are a flaming jerk back to them (in "self-defense" or more aptly named, "retaliation.") then you will be punished for being a flaming jerk, the same as they will.

YerroFever2 votes

The troll has to get banned and so do the people who are spewing hate/sexist/prejudiced/etc.. speech and harassing and flaming their teammates.

Everyone is responsible for their actions and everyone faces consequences for what they do.

Kei1431 votes

why not both?

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

because encouraging the suffering of others is not an acceptable human action

Kei1439 votes

yea... that's why you punish both the troll and those that encourage the suffering of others.

Glad we agree.

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

Considering riot is supportive of banning the victim of a troll rather then the troll is the point of this conversation. i dont think you understood what i was getting at

zPOOPz12 votes

when you flame back at the troll, you cease to be a "victim" and become a troll yourself is the reason rito banned you

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

Which is not what i was stating when you respond to a troll with CALM COMMUNICATION it currently is still the habit of many players to use mob mentality to habitually bully and report people who are "complaining" about being trolled and will not report the person who was int feeding or performing the trolling this is especially common among enemy players. Before honor was reformed it was common place to honor enemies that int fed because they gave you a free win.

Kei1431 votes

that may be your attitude, don't clump us with your crappy thought process.

Ayanami3rd1 votes

I never had any issues with that. I love to give my team good feedback if they play great, and I sometimes also tell my team that it plays badly, mostly for emotional relief. But I am always doing it in a neutral way, without insults or flaming. "You are playing bad" is an opinion, and not reportable. "You are playing like dogshit, your mum will pay for this tonight, now go uninstall" on the other hand, well... Basically it's all about if you can talk about your feelings with some sort of respect and social intelligence.

HerbalRastaHaze1 votes

exactly my point thank you

HalcyonDweller1 votes

The punishment system is mostly fair. Minor offenses get lesser punishments, and major offenses get larger punishments. Repeated minor offenses stack up, resulting in larger punishments if they are continued....

The policies are fair. maybe some of the execution on them could use some work, but not too much work. Players are only very rarely punished in error.

Edit: also your title is very misleading. Riot does not do that, and it would probably be helpful to you in getting help with whatever problem you are facing if you stopped making inflammatory and argumentative remarks about Riot.

Telephone Booth1 votes

No, people who don't understand civil conversation are encouraged to not talk in games, because they get banned and don't understand why. They're either playing dumb, or really are just plain dumb most of the time. On top of that, they also happen to have egos that can't be challenged by anonymous strangers online, so they tend to get into flame wars without realizing that they're breaking the summoners code. So we just tell them, don't talk. They've clearly decided that they can't be in the wrong, and they have such a lack of self awareness that it would be best if they just don't talk at all.

Absoluence1 votes

True. How about this: Mute-all.

Don't care, because Riot Games don't. Why should you? Mute them all and let this single-player-like heaven play it out.

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