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I made a thread stating the perfect explanation for why the system is Flawed. DELETED.

Electric Synergy··3 votes·3,378 views

So... i put my heart and soul and made the biggest effort to state all that is flawed in the current banning system and the way Riot is handling the community ATM. Suprisingly, the thread got deleted. i worked so hard and i made a poll and i told them why all permanent bans must be replaced with a month of a ban for this offense, and why the tribunal system must return. Riot is

not handling cases manually. 9\10 Toxic player cases are automatically rolled out and judged by a bot, who will determine the punishment with no sort of logic implemented into it's

pattern. i can see what you are trying to do, i truly do. you don't want to get to the point when there will be that one guy who manages to bring out the truth of how flawed their system is. they don't want to retain this RESPONSIBILITY to take care of what they need to take care of. i am pretty sure it's getting to the point where you are litteraly doing

what you are not suppost to do. you evading your responsibility, your community. now i don't care how hard it can be and how many cases there are to work on. it is YOUR COMMUNITY and you know you cannot let them handle themselves so why bother with the current system? i have no interest in explaining what Permanent bans were wrong in so many

ways, and why the current system is not working. The effect that came from the new system and riot's new method was very hard to notice. it produced almost no results, as i am witnessing the casual case of toxicity, hate speech and etc in games as we speak. I just don't understand why you'd have to stoop so low that you would dare delete my

RIGHT thread and actually think i am gonna sit back and cry for how insignificant i am. no. if you're not gonna take responsibility for your community and let that flawed system keep on, THEN AT LEAST ADMIT YOUR FAULT. deleting my previous thread helped me realize what point you are at, and this community is at. but why won't you at least admit to your faulty

method and say that you would at least TRY to fix it in advance? nobody has demanded so much from you like this. i don't think deleting threads that state that you're suppost to change will do any good. i hope you can come to understand how important this is..

Edit : i hope you are happy now. i don't see how painful it is read something as a "wall of text" instead of in paragraphs. are you trying to excuse your lack of capability to read?

42 Comments

DrCyanide13 votes
  1. Riot outsources moderation of the boards
  2. Even Rioters have had posts deleted by moderators because they were in the wrong spot
  3. Why was your thread deleted? You'll have a notification with the reason explained
  4. Yeah, I'm not reading a massive run on complaint
Electric Synergy1 votes

I have received no notification of my thread being removed, so i spent alot of time looking for it and yeah. confirmed. And if you're gonna state that you won't bother reading my explanation and call it a complaint then you can leave if you please. i am not forcing you to read my opinion. now leave, if you please.

Deep Terror Nami11 votes

Notifications are on the top right, (the exclamation in a box) and you can view them at any time. You should always receive one when a moderator deletes your thread/comment; if they didn't, it was a mistake on their part and you need to ask for it. Making a scene is not necessary.

RiotKeyru8 votes

Hey Electirc Synergy,

I took a look at your Boards profile and saw no history of deletion on your account. This might be because you posted your original thread on the EU Boards which has different moderation from here in NA where we provide you a notification and link to your discussions. Can you double check to see if this is the case?

Awkward Couch5 votes
Samus723 votes

[{quoted}](name=Awkward Couch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M0fR1lbg,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-11T21:23:20.068+0000)

Here it is

Confirmed. European forums.

DJColdCutz4 votes

OP, you dummy!!! lol

Electric Synergy1 votes

Well i can't even excuse myself for this. as long as stupidity isnt a bannable offense in-game then im fine. lmao..

Sorry for that. siiiigh

so embarrassing :|

XIII Vanitas2 votes

You should probably delete this thread yourself, or edit it to apologize for your mistake.

Mr Vulcanator9 votes

You're supposed to capitalize the first letter of each sentence.

EndlessSorcerer8 votes

And break up the text into paragraphs for readability.

Colgate Gator5 votes

Jesus man, learn to break paragraphs. I'd delete this current thread just for that wall of text.

And the bits I skim over just seem that you're complaining to Riot as if they were your spouse.

Electric Synergy1 votes

Learn how to* do you like when people do that to you? at least try to explain to me in a nicer way. .. please state how i am treating Riot as my spouse? i would also like you to know how easy it is to miss the point im trying to make by reading certain parts of my explanation all mixed up. it's just that easy

Kei1431 votes

Hmm ...

You are putting in line breaks (enter key) when you are not supposed to (in the middle of the sentence), which makes it very very hard to read. As when you line break, you are starting a new "subject" or referring to a new point.

Having proper grammar does make things easier to read and people will acknowledge it more.

I'll be honest, I read through this post with difficulty and when I saw your original post, I just instantly closed it due to it being a giant wall of text which I have no intention of reading.

PROJECT Fizz2 votes

Your fix to your

Post wasn't much if

A fix it just

Made it harder to read the

Post.

KingWanahakalugi2 votes

Electric Synergy,

Riot does have a system in place that scans text in your chat logs. Pre and post-game logs are reviewed individually if a comment is made in the report referencing them. If the system detects a word or phrase deemed bannable, the system acts and gives the appropriate punishment. There is a tier system for these words, and based on the tier and frequency, the system can issue a more severe punishment.

As for deleting the thread, a reason why the thread was deleted should exist by clicking the exclamation point in the upper right corner. They will explain what parts of the thread was the cause for deletion.

I have a question to something you referenced in the previous post. The current punishment system is designed to give you warnings to change your behavior, or if you refuse, to simply leave the game altogether.

  • What makes you think that a month ban would reform the players behavior?

  • Whats to stop them from coming back and being just as toxic as they were before they were banned? After all, a 14 day ban obviously didn't work.

  • They've already been given 3 warning prior why do they deserve to keep playing?

You think about those questions and get back to me.

KingWanahakalugi

Electric Synergy1 votes

I truly do have to think about that 1 month replacement for perma bans cause it really seems not so sensible in a way.. i guess im just afraid to be perma banned for a missunderstanding. if a 14 day ban didn't work... i think there should be some way for rioters to contact those players and tell them where they went wrong. speaking of which, the observation system might be a thing..

The thing with the warnings is a really concering deal to me cause they escalate. i just have to make sure i am fully aware and informed of my account's status and not give them a chat log that is the smallest bit of toxic as a piece of evidence to have my warnings escalate into a perma. i actually had it escalating to 14 days when i was toxic for a few games which actually went good and i didnt even speak alot. it was on the level of "Doesn't matter, they don't have inhibitors so stop being a complete (insert toxicity here)..

chat restrictions dont rly bother me cause i plan to minimize the use of the chat as much as possible but.. im still so worried.

KingWanahakalugi1 votes

I understand that you are concerned about losing your account. I don't think that the observation system would work in my opinion. If players were allowed to call a Riot employee to view the game, I don't think Riot would have the man power. I wrote a post the other day after I did some math on how many people would be required by Riot to view every game. I came down to the conclusion that Riot would need approximately 75,000 more employees than they already have. At the cost of basic living expenses, I estimated that Riot would spend $3.75 billion dollars just to spectate games.

Now with the call feature, let's high-ball and say that only 10 percent of the games got a call for a Riot employee. That is still 7,500 employees that Riot would need to hire. (Employees are watching 3 games at a time in this estimate) $375 Million would be required to play for these employees, so you can kind of see that a system such as this could potentially be unfeasible.

Now if you're worried about your account, I have a suggestion or two. I play music every time that I play. I have playlists to offset any mood I'm in. When I want to rage, I play a calming playlist, and it keeps me in check. I often yell out at my computer rather in chat. I played 2-3 games last night and had 2 games where someone insisted on either trolling or just trying something WAY off-meta. I have no problems with off-meta picks, but these were almost borderline. I yelled AT my screen rather that typing something to them in chat. In the last week I've played quite a few games and have MAYBE typed 25 times in chat.

I'm a extremely competitive person, so I understand wanting to win, even in normals. I haven't ever received punishment because my friends taught me something early on. They told me to focus on my lane only. Unless someone asks for advice on how to play a champion, you don't need to tell them how to play. Everyone has their own style. Some will be right. Some will be wrong. Yelling at them will never change their playstyle. If you want to tell a teammate or opponent something, save it for a post-game chat. If I try to give someone a tip, I always ask if I can give them some advice. Even if you're mad about how they played, be polite about how you approach them.

I wish you the best of luck man. I hope you can find what works for you to stay positive.

Have a Good Day. (or night since I suppose it's later there)

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KingWanahakalugi

PROJECT Fizz1 votes

Here is what normally happens in a permaban. One of the riot employees actually hands out permabans not the machine.

Electric Synergy1 votes

So instead of having the machine to automatically ban the player, the rioter would personally do it cause he likes doing so? i am pretty sure that Rioters do not handle the perma ban offense.

PROJECT Fizz2 votes
  1. Yes they do. 2. I think you should be fired if you are like "Hur Hur, ima ban everybody for funzies." 3. Support cards, what do they do? You can file one if you feel that you have been wrongly banned. End of story
Electric Synergy1 votes

I am gonna need some proof for the thing with the perma bans, but what about the other offenses? i got instantly chat restricted for saying "shut the hell up we're winning" once in a game. im terrified of even opening the chat before it escalates into a perma. sigh

PROJECT Fizz1 votes

Moderators don't take posts down because they feel like it. It happened for a reason. Now, you will be informed if that happened. So, your reason for a "wah, my post was deleted. Riot isn't taking responsibility for deleting my post and ignoring me wah." Thread is irrelevant. Best of luck on the rift.

Electric Synergy1 votes

Luck, maybe, fun? no. i don't know how it goes with you but i cant even use chat anymore as far as im concered.

Jamaree3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Electric Synergy,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M0fR1lbg,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-11T18:23:42.692+0000)

I am gonna need some proof for the thing with the perma bans, but what about the other offenses?

I'm going to explain why toxicity is a thing, why it can't be utterly stopped, and why it can only at best be mitigated.

I will begin with what causes toxicity, losing. No one likes losing, ever, at all, period. It isn't fun or enjoyable to lose. So when you lose or are losing, you want to snap out or flip, or do whatever to vent. Now when you are the one losing, at times, teammates will flip out on you, why, because they don't want to lose either and perhaps they are on a losing streak themselves so to see someone losing them the game is only going to set them off. A cycle is created where losing causes more toxicity all around. Obviously, there are going to be outliers who are just general assholes, but for the most part, most people don't rage, troll, and/or flame 24/7 and that leads to the next problem.

People who only do it one game or in every blue moon, HOWEVER, since it is YOUR one game, you automatically assume that they do it every game and thus deserve a ban. In all honest however, most people don't act like shit on a daily basis and in most of their games, and most of the time when they do, that is their one in a while. Let's be honest here, every single person here, me, you, everyone has been guilty of being that toxic asshole. We have all flamed, raged, trolled, afk intentionally, but most of us don't do it every game. Hell, I have done said things and never gotten a single warning, that is because I don't do it anymore because I realize that people are going to have bad games and at times what you consider trolling is just their bad game.

As for the system, while I don't agree with it and think the Tribunal was a FAR better system, I believe most people who get permabanned deserve it and don't deserve to come back. Do you know how much you have to rage to get even a warning? Like honestly, you keep hearing cases of people get punished ONLY because false reports, but that is bullshit, not a single person who whines about being permabanned has ever been permabanned by false reports only. See, the system works on a kind of safety net where it leves the fact that false reports do happen, it is why a shit ton of people never even see the warning, because of said net. What does happen however is that at times, people are toxic, then a set of false reports tips them over the scale to the later stages which is why I have no sympathy for anyone who reaches that stage, you know what you did and don't act like this came out of the blue either.

All in all, toxicity can never be fully controlled because that would be trying to police the internet which is impossible. All you can do is mitigate it as best you can.

PROJECT Fizz2 votes

Dude! You know how to cut paragraphs? You are awesome :3

Jamaree1 votes

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Dude! You know how to cut paragraphs? You are awesome :3

I know right, much basic, such english, wow :o

PROJECT Fizz1 votes

Such grammar so cool. Wow. Wow.

alasarcher1 votes

How in the world do you expect them to handle milions of cases manually? Did u even think before saying such utter nonsense? if it would take them 5 minutes to handle one case. Lets say 1200000 cases monthly, i would take 100 000 hours. Lets say one person work 200 hours monthly, they would need 500 people working fulltime on report cases.

Electric Synergy1 votes

What about volunteering to help with cases if you are seen fit to do so? it doesn't matter if that guy fed on purpose or if he dissed the guy whom wished death upon his family the entire game got chat restrictions and perma bans. you can't use a defective bot to solve your problems. i know how this goes because a friend of mine who was a true pro at the game had his share of the offenses due to a trolling teammate who didnt get mid. his offenses escalated to a perma ban. its been more than half a year.. if people are gonna use a bot to solve the cases, don't make it so harsh. i got chat restricted for saying "would you shut up? we're winning" and it escalated to the second one. i also got a temp ban as well.. now im afraid to use the chat for a few good months so that my punishments won't escalate. don't excuse for people not being able to handle the cases manually if they're gonna use such a scary bot. it's like the SS (nazi police) back in the second world war, they'd really seek out jews and kill them or anyone who's working with them. i am from israel myself, so there is no racism or hate speech intended here! i'm not saying riot are nazis, GOODNESS NO. but all im saying is that they're gonna have to at least use a different bot.

alasarcher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Electric Synergy,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M0fR1lbg,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-01-11T18:28:50.386+0000)

What about volunteering to help with cases if you are seen fit to do so? it doesn't matter if that guy fed on purpose or if he dissed the guy whom wished death upon his family the entire game got chat restrictions and perma bans. you can't use a defective bot to solve your problems. i know how this goes because a friend of mine who was a true pro at the game had his share of the offenses due to a trolling teammate who didnt get mid. his offenses escalated to a perma ban. its been more than half a year.. if people are gonna use a bot to solve the cases, don't make it so harsh. i got chat restricted for saying "would you shut up? we're winning" and it escalated to the second one. i also got a temp ban as well.. now im afraid to use the chat for a few good months so that my punishments won't escalate. don't excuse for people not being able to handle the cases manually if they're gonna use such a scary bot. it's like the SS (nazi police) back in the second world war, they'd really seek out jews and kill them or anyone who's working with them. i am from israel myself, so there is no racism or hate speech intended here! i'm not saying riot are nazis, GOODNESS NO. but all im saying is that they're gonna have to at least use a different bot.

Well u gotta wait till Artificial Intelligence advance a bit more. For now, only thing they could add is certain insults which bot checks log for.

Bettnachleger1 votes

I don't get it. What is the difference between getting punished by a bot, and getting punished by a Rioter (or whoever)? You will get the ban anyway?!

And the bot is working as intended.

That you're friend got a permanent ban is btw his own fault. He got 3 chances(I guess he wasn't a extrem case) to improve his behaviour. He chose to not, so he isn't welcome anymore.

Tract1 votes

There are an incredibly small amount of 14 day or permanent toxicity cases, only those are EXTENSIVELY Rioter reviewed, the overwhelming majority of the population doesn't need any punishment, or doesn't escalate that far. Also, you are implying that 1.2 million players escalated to the 14/permanent suspension phase. League has ~12M unique players per month, which would imply that 10% of the player base needs to have their logs reviewed. However, only ~.013% of the population ever goes on to that phase, so your math here is highly flawed, even considering if they are not punished after review.

FrankerX1 votes

the only thing wrong at the moment is the focus on the chat. you can easily just run into the tower and feed 2-3 kills to the enemy on purpose and then keep playing normal and say it was lagg or something. since this happens all the time you wont get harmed by any of the systems (feed buster or whatever) but you can bet that one of your mates will watch you (especially when you are on bot lane) and think you troll and start calling you bad words. if you report them, they get banned. sure they shouldnt flame all okay but its not okay that you can abuse the system that easy.

Jorencice1 votes

The problem is that is LITERALLY impossible to catch.

You could do that on ANY GAME EVER and you wouldn't get caught or banned.

I could go play any one of a 1000 shooters or MOBA's die 2-3 time on purpose and be completely immune to the bam hammer.

There simply isn't enough man power to view every single reported game.

They would have to hire something like 10000 employees to do that.

FrankerX1 votes

yea sadly thats true. i also cant think of any solution here. its just... well its impossible.

FrankerX1 votes

no, faker tried to play normal. he didnt get killed on purpose to make someone mad

Awkward Couch1 votes

Oh, I didn't read your comment correctly, my bad man.

Tract1 votes

So... i put my heart and soul and made the biggest effort to state all that is flawed in the current banning system

You might want to save your work in a different document before posting anything online(if that's the only place its saved), for future notice.

Suprisingly, the thread got deleted. i worked so hard and i made a poll and i told them why all permanent bans must be replaced with a month of a ban for this offense, and why the tribunal system must return.

"Must" is your oppinion, there is absolutely no reason why it "must" happen, these players repeatedly remained toxic after multiple warnings and ruined the game for others with their behavior.

not handling cases manually. 9\10 Toxic player cases are automatically rolled out and judged by a bot, who will determine the punishment with no sort of logic implemented into it's

All toxicity cases are reviewed by a Rioter in person.

pattern. i can see what you are trying to do, i truly do. you don't want to get to the point when there will be that one guy who manages to bring out the truth of how flawed their system is.

Your "turn" is based on assumptions, and they have full rights to take false, defaming statements down.

ways, and why the current system is not working. The effect that came from the new system and riot's new method was very hard to notice. it produced almost no results,

On the contrary I have seen many threads of people telling their stories of reform after punishment. And if people don't reform, their behavior is unacceptable to be allowed in the game any further.

as i am witnessing the casual case of toxicity, hate speech and etc in games as we speak. I just don't understand why you'd have to stoop so low that you would dare delete my RIGHT thread and actually think i am gonna sit back and cry for how insignificant i am. no. if you're not gonna take responsibility for your community and let that flawed system keep on, THEN AT LEAST ADMIT YOUR FAULT. deleting my previous thread helped me realize what point you are at, and this community is at. but why won't you at least admit to your faulty

They are in no fault here.

Edit : i hope you are happy now. i don't see how painful it is read something as a "wall of text" instead of in paragraphs. are you trying to excuse your lack of capability to read?

I didn't see this til the end, I must say I was somewhat confused until then :P

Also, your poll that you worked so hard on was frustrating because the way it was phrased made it impossible to answer what most of us here thought, which was "Riot had every right to delete your thread". You should really add the options, even if they oppose your goal, or you just look inflexible. Also, that means you cant face that most people might disagree. Sorry I didn't actually notice your original thread.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

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9\10

10/10.

Toxic player cases are automatically rolled out

After the chat has been checked for toxicity, and the check only happens if the reporters had a high enough report value.

and judged by a bot, who will determine the punishment with no sort of logic implemented into its pattern.

There's a known logic: flame, you get punished. Normal flaming: 5 chat bans, 10 chat bans, 2 week ban, permaban. Exceptional flaming: skip tiers (including getting permaban on first offense)

i have no interest in explaining what Permanent bans were wrong in so many ways, and why the current system is not working.

Yep, no interest in trying to do that, because you'd fail.

The effect that came from the new system and riot's new method was very hard to notice.

Confirmation bias.

Edit : i hope you are happy now. i don't see how painful it is read something as a "wall of text" instead of in paragraphs. are you trying to excuse your lack of capability to read?

PARAGRAPHS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE END OF SENTENCE PACKS THAT MAKE INDIVIDUAL SENSE. Not in the middle of nothing.

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