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How is This Even Toxic xd?

Nickeleo··3 votes·592 views

So I got perma banned and asked riot for the reason. A Rioter called Riot Borrower replied after saying that he/she will not remove my ban:

>That being said, here are some of the logs we found to be negative:

> [4:22] Nickeleo (Udyr): olaf shut up

>[19:24] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): U DIDNT NOTHING [19:26] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): U DIDNT [19:27] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): NOTHING [19:30] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): YOU [19:32] Nickeleo (Udyr): DIDNT [19:33] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): DIDNT [19:35] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): NOTHING [19:46] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): YOU [19:48] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): DIDNT [19:49] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): NOTHING

>[24:28] [All] Nickeleo (Udyr): olaf 0/10 pls stop talking

Its explanation time!

  • Olaf dies first blood to Nasus, we were all cool with that
  • Olaf dies again solo to Nasus, again we were cool with that
  • Olaf dies 10 more times to Nasus and Rengar ganks, We kindly asked him to play safe and stop overextending.
  • Olaf continuously blames his lost lane to the jungler (me) when he LITERALLY died SOLO to NASUS first blood.
  • I told him to shut up ( how is this even toxic xd? )
  • Olaf tells nasus "you didnt nothing, rengar carried ur lane" ( i mean u died to nasus lvl 1 but okay, I didn't question that in game )
  • I started mocking his grammar and typed in chat a couple of times " YOU DIDNT NOTHING "
  • My team found it funny so i figured out it was cool.

Olaf reports me for " toxic " lmao

Thoughts?

EDIT: fixed a quote error

41 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama7 votes

Fullcaps repetitive spam to harass a teammate, seems pretty toxic to me.

You had plenty of warning, obviously. Stop denying the issue and start fixing it, or you are going to have the same problems in real life and any other game you join.

The Headbutter3 votes

When the words "U DIDNT NOTHING" are permabannable, you have been coddled wayyyy too much in life man. It's going to be really hard to make it through the real world if this is that offensive to you.

Umbral Regent3 votes

It's not the words themselves that are permaban-worthy - it's the way the OP used them. To harass a teammate.

I wager it'll be harder for the people who can't accept the consequences of not following the rules to get on in the real world than the people who don't like being harassed and belittled over small grammatical mistakes.

Just sayin'.

Nickeleo1 votes

how is a video game even related to my real life. I have a good-paying job and I do not find the need to harass people in real life. Even real people wouldn't take such comments as offence. I personally didn't find it offensive when i typed it out... Guess we are living in a community full of butt hurts. Anyway...

The Headbutter1 votes

That's the point I'm trying to make... PERMABAN... as in you can NEVER play this account again because you typed in caps "U DIDNT NOTHING." I'm all for a chat ban, but to take away time invested & money from someone, it needs to at least be a half-serious offense.. this is a joke and the people who are advocating that this is justified when there are true toxic players who get away with REAL toxicity everyday and go unpunished just honestly makes me sad to be a part of this community.

Umbral Regent1 votes

it needs to at least be a half-serious offense..

What of multiple offenses? What do you do when someone belligerently disregards rules and prior warnings, and goes out of their way to attack, harass, and mock other players, and ruin their games?

You can't look at it as "just one offense" - this one offense is the straw that broke the camel's back, after laying on a number of other offenses beforehand. It's not like this one instance of punishable chat was the sole exclusive instance that somehow led to a permanent ban.

...just honestly makes me sad to be a part of this community.

If it makes you sad to be a part of this community, you really don't have to associate with us. I personally don't associate myself with the League community as a whole, since, on the larger scale, I view the community as toxic - it's certainly something that Riot's working to chip away at, and I don't fault them for the community's issues - nor any individual member of the community, for that matter - but them's the 8r8ks.

The Headbutter1 votes

Sure it's the latest offense, however we don't have knowledge of the previous offenses and how serious they were, so we can't assume the seriousness or lack there of of the offenses. However, If they were all similar to "U DIDNT NOTHING", based on the fact that this guy said about 10 lines worth of stuff over an entire "tilting" game, then I think permabanning for that is ridiculous. Racial slurs, SERIOUS verbal harassment and death threats, etc. is what should be permabannable.

You ask what do I do? I use the mute function that was given to me instead of whining and crying(I'm not saying you do, just most of this community), because I know that not a single clown who acts like this in game would have the guts to act this way face to face.

Nickeleo1 votes

lol this Umbral Regent down voting every single comment that doesnt support him xd

Racial slurs, SERIOUS verbal harassment and death threats, etc. is what should be permabannable.

I honeslty feel like this is so true, especially when its my SECOND punishment, I barely did anything to deserve a PERMA

HalcyonDweller2 votes

It is impossible to tell who is doing the voting on comments, because votes are anonymous. Don't make assumptions.

Umbral Regent1 votes

...however we don't have knowledge of the previous offenses and how serious they were, so we can't assume the seriousness or lack there of of the offenses.

...based on the fact that this guy said about 10 lines worth of stuff over an entire "tilting" game...

Actually, given present information, these arguments conflict with each other.

Sure, we may not know the history of the offenses, their severity, etc., but at the same time, we don't have the entire chat log for this offense, either.

The OP mentions that they sent in a Support ticket and received those snippets of the log in response, and the snippets do follow the usual Support Ticket response format of having timestamps and spacing between segments of chat.

So, neither of us can really judge the OP's chat logs, as they aren't given in full - we can only judge the sections of it that the Rioter deemed worth highlighting.

The Headbutter1 votes

?? If the Rioter didn't include it as "this is what you were punished for" then it wasn't worth noting. We basically just said the exact same thing except that.

Umbral Regent1 votes

Here's the thing, though - the Rioter could have chosen those personal attacks against Olaf as highlightable negative behavior with potentially more negative behavior being shown in the rest of the logs. Or, the OP could be telling the truth in saying that the rest of their logs are innocuous mentions of "good job" and "well-played".

Without the full logs, we can't know. It's certainly bound to be more than the 12 lines provided.

Either way - and this is to address the OP themselves, should they read this - if you're being truthful in that your only other punishment before this was a chat restriction (you don't mention which variety), it may be worth sending in another Support Ticket to ask about the escalation in punishment.

I can think of a few possible reasons right off-hand for the potential escalation, but still, it's more than worth it to ask Riot about it.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

Au Contraire, a person with a track record of being toxic, and who does not show signs of learning from past mistakes, most definitely should be removed from the community. This is because they have refused to stop doing what they have already received punishment for. Thus it is not reasonable to expect them to remain in the community and somehow stop being toxic, removing them is best for everyone else.

Nickeleo1 votes

exactly what i think about this entire board section. thought i was the only one here..

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

We can't see your big balls over the monitor, so what's the point of "being a man" in the Internet? No need to be a Mr Big Shot here.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

  1. punishment system is a ladder, small infractions still climb the ladder resulting in the next level of punishment.

  2. You misrepresented a fake argument that Llama did not make just so that you could knock it down. Good job dude! Really impressive. Not. Don't strawman people, it's a shitty thing to do and it won't accomplish anything.

Nickeleo1 votes

harass???? xd Olaf definitely didn't do far worse acts and flaming out of his mind. But oh... I will be told that what he said shouldn't matter...

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

{quoted}

harass???? xd Olaf definitely didn't do far worse acts and flaming out of his mind. But oh... I will be told that what he said shouldn't matter...

You cant beat trash at their own game, dont take yourself down to their level - it just means both of you get wrecked instead of just one.

Umbral Regent4 votes

Telling a player to shut up, mocking them over a grammatical error, and telling them to shut up again, this time while shaming their performance by using their KDA to attack them.

If you recently came off of a 14-day suspension, this ban is entirely merited.

As an aside...

Its explanation time!

Context doesn't matter, and...

My team found it funny so i figured out(sic) it was cool.

Just because the rest of your team found it funny that you mocked the Olaf's grammatical error doesn't mean the Olaf themselves found it funny. They reported you, and, very clearly, the IFS agreed that you were out of line. So, no, it was not cool.

And, as a little nitpick, since you seem to not care about pointing out grammatical errors, you probably meant "figured it was cool", instead of "figured out". The latter would imply you came to a revelation about your actions, while the former is supposing your actions aligned with the perception of them.

Nickeleo1 votes

First time hearing telling someone to "shut up" is negative. You live and you learn...

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Would that be something you'd tell your parents or grandparents?

Nickeleo1 votes

Im definitely talking with 60-70 year olds over the internet. Im expecting to play with 12 year olds who dont even understand how to take responsibility.

Umbral Regent1 votes

Im expecting to play with 12 year olds who dont even understand how to take responsibility.

And yet, you're here, denying responsibility and refusing to accept your rightful punishment for flaming and harassing a player. Oh, the irony.

Nickeleo1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah my bad :/

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

So you acknowledged it being rude to your close relatives, but it somehow doesn't apply the same logic to strangers over the internet, one mainly because you assumed everyone you played with are 12 yo.

Umbral Regent1 votes

Yes, telling someone to shut up is negative. And, yes, I'm aware that there are non-combative uses of the phrase "shut up" (such as expressing disbelief), but by and large, telling someone you don't know to shut up when you could just as easily shut them up yourself with the mute feature, the only purpose of doing so is to attack them and fuel the fire.

In general, if you want someone to shut up, mute them, don't tell them to. You telling Olaf to shut up was clearly exclusively combative, and your only goal with it was to attack him.

Nickeleo1 votes

Too bad I didn't type a single thing that game other than the pasted logs ( other than the "wp" and "gj" ofc ) Totally fuelling the fight.....

Umbral Regent1 votes

I doubt that what all you've presented is the bulk of the logs. It's clearly snippets taken by the Rioter to explain your punishment. I refuse to believe that that's the extent of the logs without you posting the full version, unedited.

Beyond that, yes. Telling someone to shut up only fuels the fire and worsens the ordeal, whether you intend it to or not. (and considering you attacked them with their KDA, it's doubtful that you didn't intend to fuel the fire, to say the least.)

Nickeleo1 votes

if context shouldnt matter, the words "U DIDNT NOTHING" should mean nothing and should not be regarded toxic

Umbral Regent1 votes

Except, regardless of context, spamming it is considered negativity. It doesn't matter if you were mocking a player for a grammatical error or commenting on their absence from a team-fight - there is no good reason to spam that.

Nickeleo1 votes

Yeah Nasus didn't spam "?" over 50 times, muted that guy. I dont know why I forgot to mute olaf as well.. Yeah my bad :/

Arammus3 votes

"some" of the logs. telling a teammate he is useless and should shut up is toxic.

also your explanation does not matter at all i didnt even read it.

small note: the 14 day ban is your last warning. 1 small mistake and you are gone.

Nickeleo1 votes

When did i say he was useless huh? Its a perma even though its my second punishment after a chat restriction ( chat restriction being the first followed by this perma )

This Is Your Dad3 votes

As a response to this coddling real world crap I keep seeing...

I don't see many people screaming obscenities at each other in the real world, telling people to kill themselves, or just randomly starting shit.

You scream at your boss at work you'll get fired. Your boss screams at you at work, he'll get fired. You start screaming, using homophobic or racial slurs, or telling people to kill themselves in the real world, you can either get arrested for being a nuisance, be convicted of murder if your verbal abuse caused the suicide of another person, or you can get your ass kicked for telling the wrong person something they don't want to hear.

So no, you raging and screaming in a chat box is NOT what it's like in the real world.

Nickeleo1 votes

Too bad this Umbral Regent guy thinks life is a video game. Truly funny.

Umbral Regent4 votes

Too bad this Umbral Regent guy thinks life is a video game.

I don't, and I've never said anything to that effect.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Don't worry, we know and we stand with you.

ModPeriscope1 votes

When was your last punishment, the 2-week ban?

What does the rest of your logs say? Were there any other games included in this punishment?

Nickeleo1 votes

The last punishment was discussed and was acknowledged to be a false ban by Riot Support and then converted to a chat restriction for some reason. This happened in January as far as I can remember. The rest of the logs are basically nothing other than what I pasted in the original post, especially when it was sent to me by a Riot Employee.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Huh. That is pretty strange. It wouldn't hurt to send in another support ticket asking them to look at it again.

I do think this is negative, but I wouldn't think it'd trigger a punishment. What did the rest of the logs from that game say? Were there more games other than this one?

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