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Need help with ban!

Autismó··1 votes·493 views

Hello everyone, I was banned on 1/8/17 and I don't understand why I was banned. I was banned for the usage of a 3rd party program, as I was told by a Rioter through the new chat support. However, the usage of the application I used was justified as being unbannable. Now I'm being told that I am being banned for it and that they don't even know what 3rd party program I'm using. Its not fair and unjust, I just don't know what's the issue, please help.

Gimmie a hot minute to check out whats going on here

Autismó Ok, thanks.

Mr. Feeny Your account has been punished for the use of 3rd party programs

Autismó Such as?

Mr. Feeny I'm not able to discuss which sort of programs were used

Autismó I only used a program which riot allowed?

The program where you can change your skin?

Only from your end?

My ban was extremely odd because I received it out of nowhere.

I didn't even receive the reason as to why I was banned.

Mr. Feeny Using a skin to change your skin for yourself only would have your account detected for the use of 3rd party programs

Unfortunately I cannot remove your ban and it will remain as where it stands

Autismó

There are multiple sources stating that using a custom skin is not bannable.

It is client side, and I think my ban was unfair.

Mr. Feeny I cannot confirm or deny that using those custom skins was the sole reason for your punishment

I don't mean to reiterate myself, but I will not be removing your suspension.

Autismó ok, so how do I solve this problem haha?

You aren't giving me a legitimate reason to ban.

You don't even know what program was used, so how can I prove that I'm not guilty?

Mr. Feeny Your account was suspended for the use of 3rd party programs. I don't mean to sound rude, but I cannot help you further and if you attempt to contact another staff member here, you will receive a similar answer to what I've said earlier

If there are no other concerns, I will have to close this live chat

Autismó So how do I fix this?

Mr. Feeny I'm sorry to say that you cannot recover your account

Autismó I don't understand.

Its clear that usage of these specific 3rd party programs are allowed.

But you're banning me for it?

And not even that?

You don't have enough information to even tell what program was being used?

Mr. Feeny I cannot provide you with information about what specific program you used nor can i discuss further of how we've detected your account for third party programs

I will now close this live chat

18 Comments

Weathered5 votes

Being client side doesn't justify use of a program, and while customs skins are generally not an offense, they are under use at your own risk and have been known to cause bans. Especially with the new client, the system was reworked that the type of changes custom skins make are very close and resemble things like scripts. Additionally, 3rd party programs that cause any sort of competitive advantage are punishable, and while I am not accusing you of it, there are customs skins that give visual indicators of abilities that can most certainly cause an advantage.

Additionally, the Rioter who responded to your ticket did exactly what they are supposed to do. No detailed information is allowed to be given to 3rd party program bans because it can lead to users finding what specifically was the issue of the ban and then reinvent whatever program they were using to avoid touching that part of the client. By not giving any information (and also doing ban waves so that a person doesn't get immediate feedback to what they did caused the ban) Riot is protecting themselves from a large group of people who are able to easily create programs that get around their automated system.

Sorry dude, I know it sucks, but the ban will stand.

Autismó1 votes

But it's literally unfair. The program was reviewed as unbannable for usage and I get banned. They don't have to give any information towards me whatsoever, a rioter can simply look into the program that was used and justify whether or not that gives me a competitive advantage.

Chermorg3 votes

Who said it was unbannable? Where is your source for this?

Further, there are many programs that have parts that are okay, and some other parts that are not okay. You may have used some parts that aren't okay of an otherwise okay program. For example, unlocking Riot's skins without payment, or using custom skins that give you an advantage.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

They won't give you more information because they are not going to tell you how the system works. Any player looking to circumvent the system is going to do exactly what you did and question them to try to get more information. So they can't give you anything because you could be somebody trying to circumvent it.

It's not the support person's fault, it is because people look for ways around the system. This is why we can't have nice things. :P

Falkentyne1 votes

You are a complete jerk, dude. Seriously.

Autismó1 votes

I'm sorry for what? For trying to figure out the reason for an unjust ban?

Edit: Don't bother coming onto a post like this to call a random person a "complete jerk", it's extremely rude.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

What program and where does it say it is allowed?

Autismó1 votes

http://leagueskin.net/p/download-mod-skin-lol-pro-2016-chn

Weathered2 votes

That picture on their site is from the old boards layout, meaning it is many years old. I also don't even recognize that poster as a Riot employee. ToS can change, and it is stated in the client (usually with each update).

Autismó1 votes

There are still multiple sources online that say you can't get banned for using a custom skin mod like that...

Weathered2 votes

Are any of them recent, confirm-able, and source linked to a Riot employee or official statement?

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

That's because it isn't a Rioter, it's from Lord Yeven who was a Wrenchmen on the old Boards. Here is a link to the full post by Lord Yeven, where he is quoting part of a post made by Lomar, who is a Rioter. You can read all of Lomar's post here.

But it's quite misleading in general on that site. Given some of the things that the site offers, I would be very hesitant to use it. If it was just modifying skins, that would be one thing, but it's also got instructions there on how to modify the text that pops up when someone gets a kill, and things like that. Which is much more complex than simply changing over a custom skin, and that leads me to believe that it might have some other properties that aren't allowed.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Okay, about custom skins... Some of the programs are allowed, and some of them actually are bannable. With any program that modifies the league client in any way, it is a "use at your own risk." Many of the custom skin software programs offer additional functions beyond simple skin mods, and it is the additional functions that are considered extremely taboo where Riot is concerned. Which is why those programs are bannable. You can take a look at this list to see if the particular program you used has an official Riot response or not.

As to whether that is for certain the program that triggered the ban... it may not be. What Mr. Feeny was trying to say, and didn't necessarily make too clear, is that Riot Support is not going to tell you exactly what program they detected on your system. Whenever an account is found with malicious third party programs involved, it is flagged, and they are banned in waves. The players are never told exactly what program, because many of the programs are involved with botting, scripting, and hacking. To ensure that the hackers, botters, and scripters do not find out how Riot discovered them, Riot never reveals the information on which program they detected, or how it was detected.

Aside from the custom skin program, there's a lot of other questions that we would generally ask to help you narrow down what program it might have been. Did you buy your account? Many bought accounts are leveled up with botting programs, and those will get banned. Is your computer your own personal computer, or do you share it with friends/family? Is it possible that anyone else downloaded any sort of program to it without your knowledge? Have you ever played League on someone else's computer? Do you run any sort of special macros?

Autismó1 votes

The programs I used were listed underneath Riot as allowed ( Custom Skins/Championify ) . Still I don't understand how using allowed programs gets you banned.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

I don't see the name of that site you used on that list anywhere. And each specific custom skin software is different. The programs are not all the same, and they are not all allowed. They are "use at your own risk."

Autismó1 votes

So I'm basically screwed, even though I didn't touch an unfair program, I was just unlucky?

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Unfortunately, because you used a program that was not allowed, you were punished. "Custom skins" is a category, not the name of a program. You used a specific program from leagueskin.net, and while some specific programs may be allowed, others are not if they contain functions that can give a player a competitive edge. Please try to understand that while some custom skin programs are allowed, not all of them are, and all of them are to be used at your own risk.

The website that you downloaded the program from used a very old quote that was not even sourced directly from a Riot Employee. It was a partial quote of a quote from a Rioter, that at no time referenced their website or software. You were misled by their editing of the image and logos to make it appear like a legitimate approval from Riot to use that program. You have every right to be upset, but it would be misplaced to be angry at Riot, who has clearly posted their stance on these programs from the very beginning. The ones who deserve your anger would be the company who uses edited statements to make it look like their services are allowed, and perhaps a bit for yourself for falling for their lies.

The Cream Reaper1 votes

I just hope you didn't use it on your main from the get go

[sg-ezreal]

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