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Why do I get a 14 day suspension for getting angry at Inters?

Tower··1 votes·5,097 views

Had a 3v3 ranked game where i was placed with a duo. Even in the pregame i got flamed for 'banning out' one of these guys champions. But I had no idea that he wanted to play them as he didnt hover it? So he locks in Master Yi and proceeds to lane against a Quinn, which i know sucks.

At lvl 1 i got invaded by their team that had no smite and PINGED repeatedly for help while they just ignored me and spammed me that blitzcrank emote with the questionmark. Yi then started running it down into turrets and thats when i lost my mind. why do i take Ranked games so seriously when i can get paired with a duo who troll me and feed? I understand i got very angry and flamed them for feeding, but why is it a 14 day ban? I never tell people to kill them selves, act racist or say stuff like that to others? but when i call people out for refusing to look at their maps and work together to agitate me why do i get banned?

Game 1

Pre-Game MINUS SlX: jng MINUS SlX: ? MINUS SlX: mate u didnt have him hovered aye MINUS SlX: sorry

In-Game MINUS SlX: ANYONE MINUS SlX: SERIOUSLY MINUS SlX: im over this MINUS SlX: holy fuck for a duo ur shit MINUS SlX: zero map awareness MINUS SlX: ive died twice to you retards not helping me MINUS SlX: im done MINUS SlX: just going to play this as solo Q like im carrying retards MINUS SlX: NOTICE HOW UR LANE IS BOT YI MINUS SlX: holy fuck MINUS SlX: 0-5? MINUS SlX: seriously MINUS SlX: ff this bullshit MINUS SlX: losing to a team that didnt even take smite MINUS SlX: and can walk into my jng lvl 1 MINUS SlX: ONCE AGAIN MINUS SlX: WHAT ARE U DOING YI MINUS SlX: wicked MINUS SlX: go on see if u can die 20 games MINUS SlX: go intentionally feed some more MINUS SlX: aim for 15 MINUS SlX: NICE MINUS SlX: 3 more to go for 15 MINUS SlX: 2 more MINUS SlX: gj

Post-Game MINUS SlX: typical master yi players

24 Comments

DearPear5 votes

Well, you did lose your temper and insult them so...

No matter what other people do it should not become an excuse to start acting inappropriatly

Tower4 votes

I understand the logic of two wrongs don't make a right. But how is this a 14 day ban and not a chat restriction?

Ive had people tell me to kys and call me %%%%%% and ive reported them and seen them playing a week later?

RiotRiot Tantram12 votes

The wrong chat logs were given. This is a known bug that can happen when you are banned for zero tolerance but the machine learning system thought that chat log might provide better insight. It was for the last game you played before being banned, the Pyke game. You can write in to player support and they will give them to you, or if you'd like I can post them here.

Ive had people tell me to kys and call me %%%%%%

This is exactly what you did, and I saw in the logs that got you banned.

Midg3t2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T10:23:58.578+0000)

The wrong chat logs were given. This is a known bug that can happen when you are banned for zero tolerance but the machine learning system thought that chat log might provide better insight. It was for the last game you played before being banned, the Pyke game. You can write in to player support and they will give them to you, or if you'd like I can post them here.

This is exactly what you did, and I saw in the logs that got you banned.

  • machine learning system
  • wrong chat logs were given [zombie-brand-mindblown]
RiotRiot Tantram12 votes

There's 2 systems at play. The machine learning system, and the zero tolerance system. They are 2 different processors. It's a bug (that I wrote) created by an oversight. Logs in severity order are given by each processor. But the logic responsible for sending which logs to display doesn't know how to reconcile the severity again each system. How does #1 most severe prioritize against #1 most severe from another processor.

Kanzler4 votes

Flip a coin like the matchmaking system does

[slayer-jinx-wink]

ModThe Djinn6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T11:06:50.799+0000)

There's 2 systems at play. The machine learning system, and the zero tolerance system. They are 2 different processors. It's a bug (that I wrote) created by an oversight. Logs in severity order are given by each processor. But the logic responsible for sending which logs to display doesn't know how to reconcile the severity again each system. How does #1 most severe prioritize against #1 most severe from another processor.

Out of curiosity, is an update for this planned? I'd imagine the optimal solution here is to give #1 priority to zero-tolerance phrases, as those trigger the most escalated punishments, and then back-fill from the non-zero-tolerance logs. Given that one instance of zero tolerance behavior is enough, it seems that a 1-to-2 mix might be ideal -- 1 game to show the zero tolerance, 2 games to see other problematic behavior if it exists.

While I'm sure the code controlling this is a bit more complex than I'm giving it credit for, it seems like a fairly simple adjustment (minus testing time and any other systems you have that it interacts with, obviously) that could severely reduce the number of cases where someone is confused about an escalated punishment

ShadowBlade941 votes

Im sorry but the system we have on place on punishing the players can be very VERY unjust. People getting the exact same punishmnt for getting thier account locked for 14 days and just having 9 chat restriction is by every defination of the word unfair. Think of the difference between murdering somone on purpose, and them dying while ur defending yourself. And the zero tolerence attetude we have in place just cares about the fact that somone died. Eventhou that person broke into your house and was running around with a goddamn Axe like in Shinning

As u can tell I recently got a 9game chat ban because I lost my cool on a person who ignored me when I asked him if he wanted go adc and locked on urgot AFTER ı had already locked on Ashe as well (I told him multiple times ı was fine with going sup) He started to farm minıons from the VERY first weave and I didnt say a goddamn word I just recalled and bought a cull. Then in order to push me out of the lane the started picking up Zilean bombs and chasing me with it, one time he even used his dash ability towards me. Now u tell me how that is ok? You have in your own webside giving the enemy team unjust advanatage is a reportable offense and feel free to post the things I have said in game. These people who have mutliple account can ruin the games as much as they please actually brag in game about how many accounts they have tilt ''lower'' tier playes because they are trash and they deserve to be threted like shit and we are SO below them that is not even worth thier time on trying to play with us tilt us to actual madness- I would love to see how many people can keep thier cool when ur Urgot support who intentionally gets hit by a bomb and dashed towards you-( eventhen ı have not once capsed or went over board I literally got banned for saying things like your a loser league is a teamgame and your not a teamplayer so you deserve to lose)

Then there are the kind of players that gets so frusturated on thier own foults that they just report eveyone who makes the sligtest comment on thier plays in order to get petty revenge. there is a difference between saying you are fucking retarded and you deserve to die and yo stop making retarded plays we are behind but not for the zero tolerance system. Becuase it just scans for the words and if they are there u are marked for death. This kind of lack of understanding on what was the issue before passing judgement is what motives me more and more to just mute eveyone a friend of mine does it and he said its the best thing ever but I never did it because league is a game where s heavly relys on you chaining you abilties with your teammates and I DONT WANT TO BE THAT PLAYER WHO REFUSES TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIS TEAM. I always and I mean ALWAYS change my role in normal if somone wants it because I just want a peacfull game in my free time abd people with mutliple accounts can easly ruin them , then just hop on a different account like nothing ever happoned

I have reportted this player and where is my insant feedback? I also feel like that when taking reports into consideration the programs value the KDA which we all know can be very very misleading. We need some of the features of the tribunal system back . Obv. we can read evey single reaport but we need ACTUAL LEAGUE PLAYERS WHO HAVE EXPERIANCE IN THE GAME before punisment is passed because a machines arent always capable of putting information on context. I have opened a ticket for an offical invetigation feel free to check it out and even post in on the boards

Sgt Sneaky Pants1 votes

Because the system doesn't work. They celebrates the "successes," and hides the failures.

League is the only product I have ever used they actively try to ban users and engage with them in the way Riot does (because then they're forced to make new accounts and Riot makes more money). They need to be more like Bungie and stay out of in-game player behavior. Pretty sure it's also the only company where you actually get retaliated against by their employees for being upset with them (justified or not).

Imagine breaking your cell phone and calling T-Mobile, understandably upset even though you may have been at fault, and their customer service telling you "You deserved that, you were being careless." And speaking from experience, even if you take out a restraining order on somebody for harassment, his/her cell carrier will not prevent him/her from using a cell phone to call/text you or anyone else.

It's also interesting that you can't "retaliate" in game, or post screenshots on the forums to hold people accountable - but Riot employees can to retaliate against you when you question their policies or systems. I imagine their player behavior team as a bunch of social justice warriors who can't see any viewpoint but their own, and anyone who disagrees with them is a horrible person. Practice what you preach and instead of replying to people on the forums, maybe they should ignore it (use the mute button) and focus more on fixing the punishment system (your own behavior).

queue incoming backlash from Riot in 3... 2...

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MINUS SlX,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-05T01:49:36.747+0000)MINUS SlX: holy fuck for a duo ur shit MINUS SlX: zero map awareness MINUS SlX: ive died twice to you retards not helping me MINUS SlX: just going to play this as solo Q like im carrying retards

The insults are probably the reason -- that's not okay, even if they're doing things you dislike, or things that should get them banned.

Tower5 votes

League has a toxicity problem because you can bait people to become toxic and then report them.

How are these insults 14 day ban worthy? and not chat restriction?

Modi2 votes

MINUS SlX: ive died twice to you retards not helping me MINUS SlX: just going to play this as solo Q like im carrying retards

It is likely one of the two:

  1. You had a recent 25-game chat restriction
  2. The bold text above (which is entirely unacceptable)
Tower1 votes

I have not had a 10 or 25 chat restriction?

I am fully aware that now, after things have unfolded that was unacceptable. I had a bad day and obviously said those things. now why is it that Ive been served Garen .

Whats the point of banning me for two weeks with no prior misconduct because i got angry at people who RUINED the experiance for ME.

They were having fun messing around with me and i bet it makes them happy to have got me banned.

Koronnita1 votes

I'm with ya dude, my main account got perma banned not too long ago for same reason. Had a duo troll a ranked 5v5 game and i absolutely lost it on the soraka. This was after a 2 week ban, which i had played close to 250 games after that ban, and not said a word. Literally just played and muted from beginning to not get perma banned or baited by trolls. Anyways this game happens and i go ape shit, which caused them to prolly report me and insta perma ban.

I agree that you should be able to tell people off, and i know most people will disagree. However the way i view it is this, when you START the game for the first time, ALL chat is disabled, AND a mature language filter is enabled. For the other players to see what you typed, they have to enable all chat, and disable language filter. That in itself should constitute anything that is typed legitimate. For the sole purpose of you are overriding a safety protocol if its something that genuinely bothers you. There are exceptions to this rule however, i am not an idiot and can recognize the fact that people can go around the maturity filter by typing one letter each sentence, or adding words to the beginning or end of a word, etc... I believe those should be punished, especially if said person has the filter on.

And on a last note, which is probably pretty dumb but i've always considered a game that is built solely on PvP, you are going to get trash talking no matter what. That is part of human nature, and the competitive spirit. I know you are going to say oh the lcs players don't rage, they don't trash talk.... BS!!! Go look at most pro streamers/lcs players when they are streaming on solo q. They are going apeshit on their team or enemies, they don't necessarily type it but they say it through the mike for THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of viewers watching... most of them probably kids. Which again isn't the streamers fault but don't pin them as saints.

Look at the legends of sports... Michael Jordan... Biggest trash talker in NBA. Mike Tyson, Muhammed Ali, biggest trash talkers in boxing, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc.. list goes on and on of all these pros that talk crap in a competitive environment.

Gabresol1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MINUS SlX,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-05T02:45:17.395+0000)

League has a toxicity problem because you can bait people to become toxic and then report them.

How are these insults 14 day ban worthy? and not chat restriction?

I think League has more a problem with people getting baited... Not only to be toxic but overall

VorpalKitsune3 votes

Hey, The Djinn, I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do around here. I always notice you are very helpful and maintain a cool head when dealing with some tuff situations. It is very noticeable and I really appreciate it!! [sg-ahri-2] Side note, sorry about getting off topic.

4 Step Cadence2 votes

Two summoner 11 are better than one.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}Hey, The Djinn, I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do around here. I always notice you are very helpful and maintain a cool head when dealing with some tuff situations. It is very noticeable and I really appreciate it!!

Thanks! It's something I've been actively working on (keeping a cool head, that is), and I'm glad the improvement is noticeable. <3

VorpalKitsune1 votes

You are very welcome!!

Silent Gravity2 votes

When someone is inting, they're doing it to get a reaction.

Giving them the reaction they're looking for encourages them to continue trolling.

Riot doesn't want people to encourage trolls to troll more.

That makes it punishable.

Also, you have other players on your team. It's not just you and the inters.

Having someone vomit all over chat is annoying.

Riot doesn't like it when players get annoyed by other players.

That makes it punishable.

Tower2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-05T02:59:36.418+0000)

When someone is inting, they're doing it to get a reaction.

Giving them the reaction they're looking for encourages them to continue trolling.

Riot doesn't want people to encourage trolls to troll more.

That makes it punishable.

So there is clearly more protection for trolls then the people affected by it?

Also, you have other players on your team. It's not just you and the inters.

Having someone vomit all over chat is annoying.

It was a a game of twisted treeline, and these are teams of 3. I had the two people trolling me so my chat was directed to only them.

Riot doesn't like it when players get annoyed by other players.

That makes it punishable.

Mate if you think riot punishes people over everyone getting annoyed with each other, then why is he allowed to annoy me by his lack of map controll and inting?

Silent Gravity1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MINUS SlX,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-05T03:11:03.046+0000)

So there is clearly more protection for trolls then the people affected by it?

"Protection" from your ... words? Your words are ENCOURAGEMENT to them. Did you think you were actually harming them?

It was a a game of twisted treeline, and these are teams of 3. I had the two people trolling me so my chat was directed to only them.

Fair enough.

Mate if you think riot punishes people over everyone getting annoyed with each other, then why is he allowed to annoy me by his lack of map controll and inting?

It is impossible for both inting and having a lack of map control to influence a game. It's like cheating on a test. You're going to score a 0, because you cheated. It doesn't matter that you didn't know the answer to question 8. If someone is inting, they're trying the best they can to lose the game. They're obviously not going to exert any lane pressure or map control.

If they weren't inting, the punishment for not having map control is losing more games on average until your MMR is low enough that you're matched with players who contribute the same amount to any given team's chance of winning.

Sgt Sneaky Pants1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LTuaqaZH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-05T02:59:36.418+0000)

Riot doesn't like it when players get annoyed by other players.

That makes it punishable.

So Riot made the game for themselves, or for the players? I don't care what Riot likes, wants or thinks. You make products for the consumers. Start listening to the community... they don't like the current system and they don't think it works.

TheDrunkenMaster1 votes

This dude wigging out over 3v3 ranked lol.....

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