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Perma banned for mean words

Black Chris··2 votes·1,022 views

hello. firstly I'd like to say this isn't an attack on League nor am I disputing Riot's right to perma ban me. I loved the game and it's theirs they can do what they wish. I just felt compelled to make my case why I think my banning and the policy behind it is flawed and honestly shows a lack of awareness of the realities of playing league or anything competitive really. Now ive played league off and on since late season 1 so I'm not pro but I'm also not new. 6 years + hundred of dollars on skins and such and I'm banned cuz I have a tendency to argue with people. Wont deny that I can be an Ahole. I'm well aware. My main issue is with the policy of banning for mean words at all when there is a readily available mute function in every game for every player. so because someone can be offended enough to report someone but clearly not enough to mute them or simply not engage with them (like most people choose to do including myself a lot of the time) you feel compelled to baby them and police things for them? that's coddling and I feel ridiculous. its like you don't even see your community outside of moderated forum posts and skewed 1 sided reports. Ive played a lot of league and the last couple years it has become increasingly hard to just have a decent game of league. Call lanes and immediately get trolled by instalock yasuo that's calling me a N****r for pointing out I called said lane.(draft is no better it just take longer). cool no worries ill jg. Adc dies twice then afks......ok great maybe they'll come back support decides to solo tunnel cuz they are mad at adc refusing to group. yasuo still calling every racial slur in the book cuz I didn't gank him enough after trolling my lane. fine il ltry and snowball top to salvage something. get counter ganked maybe I die maybe laner but now I'm a retard and I ruined his lane"/all report this ahole jg for inting" forget it a man down no teamwork 20 kills down clearly a loss. lets just forfeit....oh no 1/11 yas will carry along with the soloing now adc thresh. they refuse to forfeit but I cant afk so I'm stuck riding this nonsense out. but I'm the bad guy for calling them out on all this bs. this isn't an anomaly. easily 7/10 games go similarly to this whether its duo q bot flaming the jg cuz they losing. or some rando calling me N****r. anivias walling me into fights or tahms trying to kill me. the point is there are tons of people who actively sabotage games and I'm banned for calling people idiots? I get it speech policing is en vogue these days but perma banned? I don't throw games or run it down mid or feed then afk or hold up surrenders just to be a jerk. literally the only complaint is I'm mean and say mean things. never racist homophobic or anything of the sort. that's not how I talk online or in rl. I could see if I was going berserk with homophobic rage but I'm not I argue specifically with individuals who have the right to ignore me and the power to mute me. that's why I feel personally that a permanent ban is ridiculous especially considering the amount of actual crap that has to be dealt with in the majority of games that I cant have an effect on or prevent like I can with someone yelling at me. I'm well aware some rioter will comment "well you have a history of chat restrictions and such bla bla bla. no kidding you implement Orwellian speech policing policies and wonder how an admitted A**hole in a 5v5 competitive game with strangers online could ever violate them? ur speech police policies are asinine and who are they helping? it is entirely within each players power to silence me if they don't like what I say. job done. grats u have a system to handle toxicity. when u go a step too far into social justice speech policing land is you banning me for saying something critical to someone who has clear cut means to not hear it. its crazy. so they aren't responsible for choosing to not mute someone to protect their feelings but I'm responsible cuz their feelings get hurt? perma ban hackers afkers and yas players(tee hee) not people pissed off from dealing with dumb shit from people in the game. I don't hack afk rage quit run it down mid troll lanes instalock or even say anything outside of basic profanity but I'm the problem in league? not the entitled children who think they deserve whatever they want and will ruin games because of it? you know many times ive been reported by a premade just for retaliating when they troll / flame me? then u only look at what I say take it out of context and decide its bad. nvm 3 teammates emote spaming in my lane under enemy tower that's cool. so yeah I'm pissed about the ban but not cuz I cant play. I got other accounts. I wont use em tho. that's not the point. the point is nothing in game ive ever been reported for wasn't preventable. anyone can mute anyone at any time so for you to ban me for typing mean words online again in a competitive game online with strangers is like banning people for getting wet in the rain. its ridiculous. and for you to ban my account after all the time and money spent is a slap in the face. so I wont bother playing on other accounts. why bother when big brother can decide I'm too mean and take all my hard earned shit away? id like the permanent ban overturned but tbh I'm fine if not. had a ton of fun on league but I'm an American and free speech is built into my core so I'm not okay with the policy of speech policing on principles and wont support a company that is willing to permanently ban someone for nothing more than words people can choose not to read. Again not attacking League or Riot or their right to ban me. it is what it is. just wanted to speak my mind on why I think its bs. sorry so long winded. take care

16 Comments

Timethief498 votes

I can mute AND report. Mute stops the flame for this game but doesnt undo the stuff that happend. Reporting stops the flaming for future games. The fact of a mute option doesnt allow you to flame. There are bulletproof vests yet it is illegal to shoot a person.

Black Chris1 votes

I can understand that tho tbh its more like 2 people shoot each other and then one calls the police afterwards and 1 goes to jail

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Both would go to jail in your analogy, unless one of them was specifically the aggressor (in which case that is the one who would go to jail), but that's normal legal outcomes for violence or threat of violence.

it's besides the point of their analogy anyways though.

ModThe Djinn6 votes

While I understand this perspective, I think it misses the mark on what Riot is trying to do here.

Yes, online gaming can be a nasty environment. Yes, the mute button can prevent people from being nasty. Yes, that could be a functional model.

But Riot is trying to improve the "standard" gaming community. Their goal is one where you don't have to mute people, because the other players aren't going to be assholes to you. While, sure, they could accept that and go "well, it's worked for other games so why bother?", that isn't their goal or intent.

So yes, they have a very specific -- and rather unique -- goal for their community, and they are willing to enforce it. If you're not okay with adjusting your behavior, they want to make it clear that the League community is not a place you are welcome.

It's not about freedom of speech, which applies to government restrictions. You will suffer no legal action as a result of your speech on Riot's platforms.

But freedom of speech does not mean freedom from all consequences of your speech. Private companies have always -- and likely will always -- have the ability to restrict behaviors (including speech) they will allow in/on their venue/servers. You'll get kicked out of a Starbucks for antagonizing other customers or screaming hate speech, and the same is true of Riot's servers.

Black Chris1 votes

I get that I'm just saying a permanent ban for something every one can opt to not see seems extreme. you could just perma chat ban or restriction. especially when more often then not its going both ways. never disputed their right to do it just seems crazy to me. ty for your respoinse tho

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Players can't know that you're going to say it until you have already crossed the line and said it. So really they can't know that they should have muted you first. They're still going to be exposed to it at least once before muting you. And that is one time too many.

Black Chris1 votes

exposed to what? critical statements? requests for help or to play safe? I'm not going in games spewing craziness. don't be a douche if u don't want to get attitude back. I may swear at times but theres a profanity filter if it offends you. I get what you guys are saying and I respect what riot is trying to do cuz the community is toxic af. but like I said I'm never racist misogynist or homophobic. to be permanently banned over shit that can be voluntarily censored 2x is outrageous. especially with the abundance of actual game ruining behavior in the game. I'm not supposed to cuss but running it down mid is fine as long as I'm with a premade and don't dare say anything cuz we'll report you for getting mad about it and you can be punished....up to permanent bans.....for words.....typed thru 2 chat filtering systems.....on the internet.....from strangers.....wtf?!? the game I was punished after we had afk vayne ,solo refusing to group 0/6/ raka ,and 0/5/ mid anivia is actively trying to get me killed with walls. please explain where me having choice words for them for refusing to surrender is the problem in league today that requires perma bans. I cant mute anivia walling me in jg. I'm not saying 2 wrongs make a right ill never dispute that I should bite my tongue more but compared to what goes on in thousands of games a day my comments are laughable. also it clearly isn't working have you leveled a char to 30 lately? its crazy as hell in there. permanent or semi permanent chat restriction seems like a much more effective and fitting way to curb flaming than to just make them make a new 100% free account. real hard to flame when u only get 8 messages all game and cant /all chat. anyways I do appreciate the feedback glad to now I wasn't totally ignored or off base with my thoughts. take care

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Good for you, not being racist misogynistic or homophobic, that's great. Other negativity is still a problem though, because you are human and therefore fallible. You may sometimes misjudge a situation and flame someone for something that they didn't actually do.

Case in point one of my teammates looked like they were inting last night (especially based on what they were saying), but it turned out that they were just tilted and trying to play really passively, and the things they said were just coping mechanisms for dealing with being killed unfairly. I very nearly flamed them, but that wouldn't have accomplished anything except to make them feel terrible, which they didn't even deserve because they weren't actually inting. See the problem?

It's not just the person you're responding to who has to deal with it. Did you forget that there are 3 other people on the team? If you respond to someone who is being toxic by being toxic yourself, you add to the negative environment for everyone else.

Jamaree3 votes

I don’t think you can complain about the mute function then not use it yourself, seems a bit silly to me.

Black Chris1 votes

I use it plenty but if someones being a jerk and I respond in kind getting banned seems excessive.

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Black Chris,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LAqrZGyL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-22T22:27:43.481+0000)

I use it plenty but if someones being a jerk and I respond in kind getting banned seems excessive.

Hence why you don’t get banned for saying and being a jerk every once in a while.

You have to flame and get reported pretty often to get punished.

Black Chris1 votes

not really tho once you're flagged its like you get prioritized. ive been punished for silly shit. I'm not bullying people on league. most often its competitive shit talk or simple requests that escalate cuz I have black in my name and apparently everyone loves calling me a N****r or some other racist nonsense. I cant tell everyones mental state in a game but I feel if you can call me ignorant gibberish or are constantly mastery flashing and emote spamming then you can take whatever grief comes with mean words typed in your direction

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Black Chris,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LAqrZGyL,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-22T22:47:08.191+0000)

not really tho once you're flagged its like you get prioritized. ive been punished for silly shit. I'm not bullying people on league. most often its competitive shit talk or simple requests that escalate cuz I have black in my name and apparently everyone loves calling me a N****r or some other racist nonsense.

Which is still on your because to even get flagged, you have to be reported again, and again, and again, and again and while some of those might be false positives, they do happen, you don’t get banned from false reports alone. That shit doesn’t happen and you have shown no proof otherwise that it does.

I cant tell everyones mental state in a game but I feel if you can call me ignorant gibberish or are constantly mastery flashing and emote spamming then you can take whatever grief comes with mean words typed in your direction

Two wrongs don’t make a right, report and move on.

Black Chris1 votes

not saying it is right tho. that's the point. ive never disputed I can be an ass. my point is perma banning someone for it seems excessive. especially someone who never cheats afks or intentionally loses games. perma chat restriction or something but to lose my 6+ year account for arguing with trolls seems ridiculous to me. riot has every right to do it. wont deny it but I'm entitled to say I think its excessive and fruitless

Colgate Gator1 votes

Instead of hitting us with a joyful wall of text, add chat logs next time and we will give our input about you thinking their policies are bs.

Black Chris1 votes

didn't save them myself and riot only shows what I said not the entire exchange.

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