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Unjustified Perma? Didn't even use a curse word or type much?

babasaur96··9 votes·1,088 views

I was unfairly banned today. I had a toxic teammate who stole my role(jungle in champ select) at the last second and when the game started he just trolled/stole jungle farm even though he was designated as support. I hardly said anything to him in the short game we played together and we pretty much had to open mid in 10 mins. I then get reported and permanently banned for the following chatlog:

Game 1 babasaur96: hey guys just remember to report eve and we'll open at like 10mins babasaur96: make sure this guy loses his acc please babasaur96: u cud babasaur96: too babasaur96: but u didnt babasaur96: not eveyrthing is about u babasaur96: just make sure babasaur96: she gets banned babasaur96: shes inting babasaur96: cuz she didnt play well last game babasaur96: master tier player btw babasaur96: lol babasaur96: steals my role and steals my camps and expects me to try babasaur96: master tier brain babasaur96: no babasaur96: it wudnt have babasaur96: opening mid is the best way to go babasaur96: ??? babasaur96: lol babasaur96: u wont have an acc babasaur96: next gmae babasaur96: sure buddy babasaur96: :D babasaur96: u need some chinese eloboosting babasaur96: plat is too hard for u babasaur96: ??? why wud i get reported lmao babasaur96: eve trolled.. babasaur96: i saved everyone time

This is the complete chatlog unedited. How does this warrant a permanent ban? Do you think riot messed up?

70 Comments

ModPeriscope8 votes

Eve may.have stolen your role, but you were harassing and insulting her throughout. From the start, you come up with a plan to lose the game. No one queued up for that, or stayed in queue for that. Eve may have deserved a punishment for her actions, but your chat is reprehensible. There were still 3 other players on your team that were subject to 2 unsportsmanlike junglers.

babasaur965 votes

Where did I harass her? I asked for an intentionally feeding player to get reported. How is that worth a permaban? I tried to play it through but the enemy just pushed mid.

ModPeriscope5 votes

Pretty much every line you mention her in is harassing. You threaten her with reports, you say she needs boosting. You say she's inting.

babasaur964 votes

I say she is inting because she is inting, am I supposed to pretend she is not?Btw, I hope you realize there's different levels of harassment and different contexts which you seem to conveniently ignore and this is hardly harassment. Why do you ignore the fact that this is simply 1 game? Or that I didn't wish cancer, say anything homophobic, utter death threats etc.? Or the fact that there's very little text in this chatlog? Threatening reports can't get you perma'd btw.

Magical Player2 votes

You're right what you did was extremely little in the grand scheme of things Before I get to it, please open a support ticket, they'll be the most help in this case

So I ask have you come off a punishment recently? If so was it a 14 day ban, since really anything will trip you into that perma ban phase but thats really all I can think of or that they gave the wrong logs. Which has happened in the past

babasaur964 votes

Yes, I came off a 14 day ban but my chat was 100% positive and then I got this griefer and I did my best to control myself/move onto the next game. And to give you more context, the same player trolled in the game(intentionally fed to lose the game) before this and was extremely negative throughout. I didn't say anything to them the game before and then he locked in "eve supp with smite" for no reason. These are 100% the correct logs by the way.

Magical Player1 votes

Yeah if the 14 day was recent, then really anything that triggers the system to give the review could set it off, I don't think these are justified bans since lets behonest theres not alot there that screams super toxic flamer troll player. But again, I can't do anything aside give my opinion. So please be sure to open a support ticket and see what they can do

ModPeriscope4 votes

You get punished based on the frequency and severity of your actions. This chat is punishable, and if it followed a 2 week ban, then your next stop without reform is the permanent ban.

If you disagree, write a support ticket and speak with a rioter.

Edit: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Hopefully, this link works. NaKyle does mention it's punishable.

babasaur964 votes

Frequency: 1 game, <25 lines of chat. Severity: For you to decide I guess since you morally superior to me. Personally, I think this would be a 1 on a 1-10 scale of toxicity especially if you consider context.

Also, banning someone for asking reports is absolutely preposterous, but go ahead be selective with what you read to suit your fantasyland of positivity :D

ModPeriscope3 votes

Judging from your match history, you just (10/20, as in yesterday) came off a 2 week ban. You were warned your next punishment would be a permanent ban. If you're not displaying reform 5 games after getting off a 2 week suspension, why should you be given more opportunities to harass other players?

babasaur962 votes

I got 0 credit for the 4 previous games I was positive even when I got trolled. Then I got banned for hardly saying anything when I got trolled in back to back games. The system is broken and what you're saying is that because I got a 2 week ban I should get a permaban.

Chermorg4 votes

Sorry, but 20% of your games (1 in 5) being toxic is too much.

Also, it warned you in your 14 day ban that continued negative behavior would result in a permanent ban.

babasaur962 votes

Except this game was hardly even toxic and would not punish anybody with a fresh slate. Not a chat restriction, not a 2 week, not a perma. No way.

Chermorg4 votes

But you didn't have a fresh slate. If someone had a history of negativity like this, that'd earn them a chat restriction. Since you were 4 games off a 14 day ban, it earned you a permanent ban, as you were warned it would.

babasaur962 votes

Even if I don't have a fresh slate, there's no way this should be considered negative enough to warrant a permaban with or without any context.

sheldonbunny1 votes

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Even if I don't have a fresh slate, there's no way this should be considered negative enough to warrant a permaban with or without any context.

Then submit a support ticket and plead your case. The turnover rate of permabans is woefully low, so statistics are against you. You can try for the low probability option, or go for the sure thing of creating/using a different account.

Chermorg1 votes

As stated before, it doesn't have to merit a permanent ban. It just has to merit any punishment after your 14 day suspension. Riot doesn't let people continue being toxic.. They up the punishments as you were warned they would, to try to convince people to change their behavior.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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Even if I don't have a fresh slate, there's no way this should be considered negative enough to warrant a permaban with or without any context.

You keep saying "warrant a permaban" ... talk about being selective. Like someone else said, it's "warrants a punishment"... the fact you were permabanned has to do with your history, not this game. This game gave you a punishment. What's the next tier of punishment after 14 day ban? Permaban. And you even called that guy "morally superior" to you ... again, it's not about that. That guy didn't decide your punishments. Riot are the ones acting morally superior, they judged and issued a ban. We are merely helping you understand why. Whether you agree with it or not, were using the rules Riot put in place as a foundation. Using that foundation, yes, what you said was punishment worthy. It has nothing to do with us being morally superior. It's about rules and semantics.

Negativity1 votes

{quoted}

But you didn't have a fresh slate. If someone had a history of negativity like this, that'd earn them a chat restriction. Since you were 4 games off a 14 day ban, it earned you a permanent ban, as you were warned it would.

Did someone say Negativity??

Mhihnj1 votes

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ModPrandine7 votes

Almost every single line is dedicated towards harassing, insulting and complaining about Evelynn. While what she did is not right you just made the situation worse for your other teammates by doing nothing but complaining about her harassing her about it all game long. You may not think this is punish worthy but unfortunately for you it is, and considering that this is a permaban means that you've been punished before in the past and still decided to behave poorly despite that.

Remember that the question isn't "is this permaban worthy?" but rather "is this punishment worthy?" and in this case it is. Next time just mute, report and move on and do what you can to win the game instead of making the situation worse for your other 3 teammates.

ModDaenrysTargaryen4 votes

babasaur96: hey guys just remember to report eve and we'll open at like 10mins babasaur96: make sure this guy loses his acc please babasaur96: just make sure babasaur96: she gets banned babasaur96: shes inting babasaur96: cuz she didnt play well last game babasaur96: opening mid is the best way to go babasaur96: u wont have an acc babasaur96: next gmae babasaur96: u need some chinese eloboosting babasaur96: plat is too hard for u babasaur96: eve trolled.. babasaur96: i saved everyone time

You do not need to curse to get banned... this right here is Bannable. This right here is you tilted because eve messed up. You were 14 day banned before you should have learned not to be toxic. or give up before the game really started.

Also asking for a report more then once is also reportable. asking for her to get banned is more so reportable

babasaur965 votes

Eve didn't mess up. She stole my role and was intentionally feeding. The game ended in 10 mins. Furthermore, you can't get banned for asking for reports(https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports). Try again though.

ModDaenrysTargaryen4 votes

If a player used asking for reports as a leaping off point for actual harassment, that's when we'd blow the whistle.

Try again, you are harassing her by asking for multiple reports and saying she will get banned and lose her account. please read the article before you respond for this situation. as you are correct asking for reports will not get you banned... repeatedly asking for them will. Sure she could be feeding. all you need to say is report her for feeding and leave it there. get to your next game.

babasaur965 votes

You just ignore the title of the post and look for selective information that supports your SJW view of in-game chat. Asking for reports is done literally every game and it has never been the cause of a permanent ban.

ModDaenrysTargaryen3 votes

First Let me answer your Title. yes you did not curse or talk much. that being said it is a justified perm ban

BY DEFinition ha·rass həˈras,ˈherəs verb subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation. "a warning to men harassing women at work" synonyms: persecute, intimidate, hound, harry, plague, torment, bully, bedevil; More make repeated small-scale attacks on "the squadron's task was to harass the retreating enemy forces" synonyms: harry, attack, beleaguer, set upon, assail

babasaur96: hey guys just remember to report eve and we'll open at like 10mins

not harassment

babasaur96: make sure this guy loses his acc please babasaur96: just make sure babasaur96: she gets banned babasaur96: u wont have an acc babasaur96: next gmae babasaur96: u need some chinese eloboosting babasaur96: plat is too hard for u

Harassment

but now i know you will not take anything that does not agree with you as the answer i will not be responding to anything more of your comments. Have a good day. and I will not see you on the rift. [sg-ahri-2]

babasaur964 votes

"Hey your comments are offensive and I consider them harassment!" You're not considering context or severity of the comments. Think about a 1-10 scale of toxicity and how that correlates to restrictions/bans. Or don't because you think its okay for people to falsely report you if you feel personally offended by anything they say.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

You're not considering context or severity of the comments.

And so does the punishment system too. Your punishment was based on your chat logs alone. What Evelynn did has NO INVOLVEMENT with your punishment at all.

babasaur963 votes

Take out the context and it's still not worth a permaban.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Still worth when you're being a nuisance to your team. Otherwise, why were you even reported?

Also, did you received a 14 days suspension before?

babasaur961 votes

I was reported because Eve didn't like me because I was on her team in the game previous to this one, in which she also griefed. You do realize that people can report you for no reason/little reason right?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

You do realize that people can report you for no reason/little reason right?

If that were the case, I would be permabanned long ago. And here I am, still chat restriction-free.

babasaur96: hey guys just remember to report eve and we'll open at like 10mins babasaur96: make sure this guy loses his acc please babasaur96: she gets banned babasaur96: shes inting babasaur96: cuz she didnt play well last game babasaur96: master tier player btw babasaur96: lol babasaur96: steals my role and steals my camps and expects me to try babasaur96: master tier brain babasaur96: opening mid is the best way to go babasaur96: u wont have an acc babasaur96: next gmae babasaur96: u need some chinese eloboosting babasaur96: plat is too hard for u babasaur96: ??? why wud i get reported lmao babasaur96: eve trolled.. babasaur96: i saved everyone time

These chat logs are reason enough to redeem your punishment, for constantly griefing to end the game faster & unnecessarily insulting your teammate (troll or not). I have to ask. What were you expecting to gain from constantly showing such a shitty attitude like this?

Also, seeing as how the severity of the toxicity here is just about average but still got permabanned nonetheless, it's most likely that you have been doing this multiple times.

babasaur961 votes

I did not grief, I just wanted the game to end quickly just as the rest of my team did, so I can move onto the next one and get rid of this intentional feeder from my future games. Ever heard of open mid? Is that hard to understand? And this is a single game of chat and that's all there is.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Open mid is still classified as reportable. I can understand that maybe you & your whole team agreed to do so, but seeing as how you're already on the pinnacle point of permaban, any signs of negative gameplay, activity, etc will already warrant you a permaban.

I ask again. Did you received a 14 days suspension or a chat restriction before?

babasaur961 votes

Yes I have a previous restriction, but that doesn't condemn me to a permaban for little/no reason does it? Open mid is not reportable if people agree to it.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

The system can be sensitive enough to do so anyway. If you really think you do not deserve the punishment you got, better submit a ticket to Riot Support personally. Very unsure if Riot Tantram is attentive for threads like this currently.

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

Yes I have a previous restriction, but that doesn't condemn me to a permaban for little/no reason does it? Open mid is not reportable if people agree to it.

Actually it still is, since riot gave teams an option to surrender saying open mid is you're opinion that is forced onto others in most cases So In that sense it is a toxic element since I can say "open mid" and we may be losing but I have just confirmed to my team I am done playing now why would they try to win

babasaur961 votes

Question: Why would they try to win if 1 player is completely ruining the game?

Answer: They wouldn't. They agree to open mid, we report the troll, and move on.

babasaur961 votes

Yeah I guess he's too busy "architecting player behaviour systems" (a.k.a. doing nothing and getting paid $100k+/yr for doing nothing lol)

Pandemic Punch4 votes

You replied too much. That doesn't deserve a perma ban though. Maybe a chat restriction at most...

FIame Horizon2 votes

yup

Byrdery2 votes

Yea I agree, since we don't know the full context, Evelyn could have been trying to elicit a response from you and you fell for it Evelynn

FIame Horizon2 votes

{quoted}

Yea I agree, since we don't know the full context, Evelyn could have been trying to elicit a response from you and you fell for it Evelynn

agree

Verbally Abusing3 votes

The first to lines show you should be perma

babasaur961 votes

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Magical Player5 votes

{quoted}

You must be extremely sensitive. Ever gone outside of your mother's basement bud?

Hey Baba, don't let them do this to you. Riot can read the chats here as well. Just open the support ticket and talk with them. No need to sink to a level that proves people who disagree with you.

They're baiting you with the comments knowing you'll respond in a manner that makes you seem like a toxic flamer, just keep your cool. Remember disagreements about issues is no reason to reject logic even if your opposition sinks to name calling

babasaur962 votes

This place counts as in-game chat too? LOL

Magical Player4 votes

{quoted}

This place counts as in-game chat too? LOL

No but the forum mods can read these, and too much harassment and they'll lock the forums or ban a user for a day. Just keep it civil keep on the issue don't resort to name calling [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

sheldonbunny1 votes

"If a player used asking for reports as a leaping off point for actual harassment, that's when we'd blow the whistle." (From the Red post you linked)

You then proceeded to harass ingame. You asked multiple times and belittled instead of simply focusing on the game. Chat is a tool, not there for you to take out petty vendettas on others.

I understand they stole your role. You requested the ban. That was sufficient. Beyond that your focus should have been on the match.

babasaur963 votes

I tried my best but mid was pretty much open once sidelanes lost towers in 5 mins. Asking for reports is not worth a permaban at all since I hardly harassed this kid. Asking someone to report an intentionally feeding player is a 100% normal and justified response. Everyone asks for reports when someone intentionally feeds and not once have they been punished because it's a justified reaction. Ever play a ranked game before?

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