I just got perma banned and my chatlogs dont reflect a…

Utility BackIine · 2017-09-14T20:06:46.249Z

Hello, I have been playing since Pre-Season 1 and just got one of my many accounts Permanently Banned. Attached is the chatlog to my one and only game of chatlog provided. Thoughts? Is this perma ban deserved? I don't think it is, but if it happened, then perhaps the public can help me see why this is perma ban worthy. I do appreciate constructive feedback, as I have 4 more accounts to play on I'd like to avoid losing them as well, but I really do not see this as a perma ban. I understand how the banning works in that I have received prior punishments, but if this is all it took to get the final nail in the coffin - then idk... seems a little odd to me. I could be wrong though! Game 1 Utility BackIine: kog barrier Utility BackIine: most interesting Utility BackIine: barrier sucks bot lane, but 17 yr olds are radical beings Utility BackIine: we do fight Utility BackIine: 2v2 we win Utility BackIine: i play aggro Utility BackIine: hence iginite and maxing Q Utility BackIine: yes Utility BackIine: i do Utility BackIine: brb op.gg time Utility BackIine: p5 50 games Utility BackIine: knew it Utility BackIine: you're not Utility BackIine: at all Utility BackIine: 50 games p5 Utility BackIine: kek Utility BackIine: muted Utility BackIine: kog im telling you im a smurf we win every 2v2 Utility BackIine: mute riven hes low p4 Utility BackIine: fight dont run Utility BackIine: ? Utility BackIine: we win 2v2s if you fight Utility BackIine: you cancelled 2 autos Utility BackIine: i get to diamond ez raka aggro Utility BackIine: ? Utility BackIine: muted Utility BackIine: oh you started cull Utility BackIine: ... Utility BackIine: so you force us into a passive playstyle Utility BackIine: which will cost us lane Utility BackIine: you need to be more open to teamwork Utility BackIine: dont fight Utility BackIine: dont fight Utility BackIine: im still maxing Q Utility BackIine: dont fight Utility BackIine: you said it 5 times Utility BackIine: we dont win 2v2s Utility BackIine: wtf... Utility BackIine: i literally listened to you and now you want to fight Utility BackIine: the money i earn from playing aggro Utility BackIine: needs to be compensated for if im playing passive Utility BackIine: i have items to Utility BackIine: if wewere fighting and winnning 2v2s id have no qualm with you farming Utility BackIine: ur afk not farming Utility BackIine: i see Utility BackIine: so thats how we're having fun :) ok Utility BackIine: I need items as well, and you guys are honestly not watching whats happening bot lane Utility BackIine: hes afk'd 4 times to type Utility BackIine: costing himself cs Utility BackIine: all i care about is winning an getting items Utility BackIine: see? Utility BackIine: no? Utility BackIine: sotp typing Utility BackIine: i was buying Utility BackIine: azir bot Utility BackIine: athenes works well with Q maxing Utility BackIine: you can Utility BackIine: yes you can Utility BackIine: you can entirely Utility BackIine: I've done it manytimes on many accounts Utility BackIine: 91 games Utility BackIine: atually EDIT: I wanted to make a quick edit that since Riot Tantram advised me to open a ticket, I will do that. I never like leaving people in the dark so when the ticket is responded to, and regardless of how it is resolved. I will make a final edit letting you all know the outcome. Cheers, FINAL EDIT: I made a final posting as promised to allow those who helped me see the outcome. Thank you all for the constructive feedback. I'll try it Riot's way and see if they can handle all my bullies for me. Admittedly it has been a long time since I've asked an adult to handle bullies, but it worked in elementary I can only assume it will work again.

Utility BackIineSep 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-09-14T22:09:24.764+0000)

This chat log in itself would never result in a perma-ban. The issue is you have had many penalties, and got off a 14-day ban not long ago. It was on the lightest end of a chat restriction penalty.

Things don't start off great for you. You immediately start off with giving you lane mate shit about their summoner choice. Not the greatest way to start a budding bot lane relationship <3. After that, your behavior isn't super bad, but you do continue to argue.

Open a ticket with player support. I've had a note added to your account for them to review your previous games and see if arguing with teammates is a 1 off after your previous penalties, or if it's something that is a norm.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

I will make a support ticket. However, I am still confused. I am under the assumption you have access to entire logs, and perhaps even champ select logs. My whole team was giving each other shit for me running Ignite over Heal, as my AD wanted to run Barrier or Cleanse. I don't like Heal so I kept Ignite (I don't believe I responded). In game I think someone commented about me running Ignite (not in a negative way but more in a debate like fashion). So I pointed out my thoughts on Barrier. Where I point that out - is that REALLY considered "giving him shit"? I feel like I just don't see the world the way you do, Tantram. To me thats just back n forth - They call ignite on Soraka shit I throw a shot back. Is that truly wrong? I'm not saying you're wrong but... It doesn't feel that bad to me.

I will open a ticket, and if you can give me your two cents on what I just added here... I will take that advice I apply it to future games on my other accounts.

Cheers,

jwebb0113Sep 14, 20172 votes

for this i dont think you deserve punishment of any kind. were you a bit of an ass ? yea but no worst then anything i see in every damn game i play. the thing is they are basing your punishment off of your history. not off of this game. basically you got reported. maybe by more then one team mate. and since you been flagged as a "bad boy" you get no leeway ... its kinda like the 3 strike laws. you get convicted twice do your time and do good for a while and the smallest thing that normally would be a misdemeanor is now a felony due to your priors and cuz of your priors this is 3rd strike so you get life. its bullshit...

that is why mandatory minimums in the legal system are bad and so is the punishment system of league.

everything needs to be looked on a case by case situation , where history does come into play if you keep doing the same thing over and over. say such as hate speech ... then it should have baring on the decision of punishment... but when its clearly a lil arguing and no direct verbal abuse , foul language, hate speech etc i think history needs to be over looked. maybe not a ban for this maybe another chat restriction just based on you being a repeat offender.

i feel at some point after you have had a punishment ... and some time goes by before your next offense if not worst then priors you shouldnt always escalate into the next tier .

Utility BackIineSep 14, 20171 votes

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for this i dont think you deserve punishment of any kind. were you a bit of an ass ? yea but no worst then anything i see in every damn game i play. the thing is they are basing your punishment off of your history. not off of this game. basically you got reported. maybe by more then one team mate. and since you been flagged as a "bad boy" you get no leeway ... its kinda like the 3 strike laws. you get convicted twice do your time and do good for a while and the smallest thing that normally would be a misdemeanor is now a felony due to your priors and cuz of your priors this is 3rd strike so you get life. its bullshit...

that is why mandatory minimums in the legal system are bad and so is the punishment system of league.

everything needs to be looked on a case by case situation , where history does come into play if you keep doing the same thing over and over. say such as hate speech ... then it should have baring on the decision of punishment... but when its clearly a lil arguing and no direct verbal abuse , foul language, hate speech etc i think history needs to be over looked. maybe not a ban for this maybe another chat restriction just based on you being a repeat offender.

i feel at some point after you have had a punishment ... and some time goes by before your next offense if not worst then priors you shouldnt always escalate into the next tier .

I guess at this point I just have to talk Tantram, the Arbiter and some of the people at their word about what they see in my logs. I don't see it their way, but that's what lands me in hot water. I just wish I could receive a list specific do's and don'ts because what I see as following the summoners code, but falling into the grey, others clearly see it a different way.

Jayce TopSep 14, 20171 votes

When a Rioter says, "submit a support ticket", they're basically telling you won't get your account back. Their support ticket system is like talking to a robot that gives you a million different "No I cant do that" sayings.

Utility BackIineSep 14, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jayce Top,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f0000000100000001,timestamp=2017-09-14T23:40:27.989+0000)

When a Rioter says submit a support ticket, they basically saying you wont get your account back. Their support ticket system is like talking to a robot that gives you a million different "No I cant do that".

Yeah. I have not used their Support Ticket in quite some time, but I was always under that impression. I did not intend to come to the forums to unban my account, but more to look for advice so that I don't lose my other accounts. It sucks I've lost this one, and if I am given a chance to redeem myself I would take it seriously. But I honestly came here because my 1 chatlog felt empty and void of what would consitute a perm ban. However, based on what Riot, and Arbiter, and some others have pointed out. I can see more clearly what my chatlog contained, and am learning that maybe what was said there is enough to get me punished, regardless of their punishment tier system. So now its come down to me having to ask myself "Is this a culture I can actually conform to, or do I have to do the drastic mute all forever" or something radical along those lines.

The Blue RajahSep 15, 20171 votes

That is definitely not true btw. I have literally never before seen Tantrum tell someone complaining about a ban to open a support ticket. He usually just says "nope, you deserved it, here's why, deal with it."

I honestly see the fact that he's telling you to open a ticket as saying that there's actually some chance you can get your account back. He didn't outright overturn it though, so no guarantee.

Utility BackIineSep 15, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Blue Rajah,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-15T06:32:51.517+0000)

That is definitely not true btw. I have literally never before seen Tantrum tell someone complaining about a ban to open a support ticket. He usually just says "nope, you deserved it, here's why, deal with it."

I honestly see the fact that he's telling you to open a ticket as saying that there's actually some chance you can get your account back. He didn't outright overturn it though, so no guarantee.

I don't think I will get it back, but my goal was never to get my account back, but to express my confusion on the lack of things to glean from my 1 chatlog provided. I assume when they look at my support ticket, they will dig through my account and give me something more concrete. I then plan to take that advice and apply it to my other accounts. My friends all laughed when I told them about this because they read the log and sort of rolled their eyes knowing I have said way worse. However, I do believe I have worked on my behaviour... so you might be right. We'll see!

Kei143Sep 14, 20177 votes

He does have access to the full logs, your behavioral history, pre/ post / out of game logs and more.

There is a reason why he's telling you to submit a ticket. Probably due to some sensitive information.

KlydeFrogSep 16, 20171 votes

they dont ever read what ur team said so in turn they are biased

ModPrandineSep 16, 20173 votes

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they dont ever read what ur team said so in turn they are biased

What the other players in the game said doesn't matter as each player is responsible for their own behavior. That's why only what you said is present in the chat logs because you are being judged based on your actions alone.*

*By you I mean you in the general sense not you in the literal sense if that made sense.

Utility BackIineSep 16, 20171 votes

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What the other players in the game said doesn't matter as each player is responsible for their own behavior. That's why only what you said is present in the chat logs because you are being judged based on your actions alone.*

*By you I mean you in the general sense not you in the literal sense if that made sense.

I accept what I said and I accept that even in my brain this should not have warranted punishement. Riot saw it differently. They want to create a culture of hands tied, observe and report players. I have officially joined those ranks. I feel like such a cuck, don't get me wrong, but the alternative is not being able to enjoy League of Legends. I love this game, so I have had to conform. I assume in time I'll get used to being a victim that seeks protection - for now its a little challenging, but as I just mentioned, I have already found 5 instances of toxicity equal or greater to my chatlogs. Its exciting to be the one bringing the evidence to Riot rather than creating it!

ModPrandineSep 16, 20176 votes

[{quoted}](name=Utility BackIine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f0000000300000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T07:14:22.513+0000)

I accept what I said and I accept that even in my brain this should not have warranted punishement. Riot saw it differently. They want to create a culture of hands tied, observe and report players. I have officially joined those ranks. I feel like such a cuck, don't get me wrong, but the alternative is not being able to enjoy League of Legends. I love this game, so I have had to conform. I assume in time I'll get used to being a victim that seeks protection - for now its a little challenging, but as I just mentioned, I have already found 5 instances of toxicity equal or greater to my chatlogs. Its exciting to be the one bringing the evidence to Riot rather than creating it!

Clearly you don't get it so let me ask you this: when has raging and flaming at a toxic player ever actually stopped them from being toxic? How many times have they just continued on with their behavior after you raged and flamed at them?

Trolls are looking to get a negative reaction out of you, and when you give them it you encourage them to continue with their poor behavior. If you kill them with kindness or simply don't give them the response they want to see then chances are they'll stop trolling and focus on trying to win the game. Even if they don't giving them that negative response is still better than putting your account at risk for a punishment.

I get how frustrating trolls can be: I've had more than my fair share of trolls in a couple of my games. However there are better ways of dealing with them than raging at them in chat. I get frustrated sure, but I just yell and rage at the screen and not in-game. It's not about "creating a culture of hands tied" or "being a victim that seeks protection" it's about being smart not stupid when it comes to dealing with problem players.

P.S. I read the support ticket responses you posted and it seems to me that they did take into account that you felt the ban was unfair, went over the reasons why it wouldn't be lifted and even offered some tips on how to handle situations like that better in the future. Compared to other tickets posted by other users as of late I'd say that this is a really good example of them caring about their customers. There's a difference between them not caring about your thoughts on the matter and you not liking the answers that they gave and in this case this is clearly an example of the latter.

côwSep 14, 20171 votes

since you're here, can you tell me why in the world would you ban people for cursing? Clean record for 4+ years, and it was ruined by " c u n t " there also goes the border i've been working on. and by clean record, i mean that i've never been punished before. no chat restrict, nothing, and it went straight to a 14 day ban. and don't tell me the bull about removing penalties on my account, i don't care about that.

Do excuse my language, I get moody when I see "Riot" nowadays.

Imperial PandaaSep 14, 20171 votes

%%%% doesn't fall under "cursing/cussing." Considering it was most likely directed at someone, you got flagged for harassment.

Oh look, it gets blocked by the filter unlike fuck, shit, and bitch. Blocked by filter usually means 0 tolerance.

côwSep 15, 20171 votes

taking 15 seconds to curse out my team once, nets a 14-day ban. You believe that's perfectly reasonable?

Imperial PandaaSep 16, 20172 votes

Here, let me repeat.

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f00010000,timestamp=2017-09-14T23:41:20.474+0000)

%%%% doesn't fall under "cursing/cussing." Considering it was most likely directed at someone, you got flagged for harassment.

Oh look, it gets blocked by the filter unlike fuck, shit, and bitch. Blocked by filter usually means 0 tolerance.

Zero Tolerance. Doesn't matter what I think about it. The company has its policy.

côwSep 23, 20171 votes

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Imperial PandaaSep 23, 20171 votes

Someone is angry. Perhaps try a nap. Here!

WHY DID I SKIP RESTRICTIONS?

We have a zero-tolerance policy for extreme negative behavior as well as extremely offensive language and remarks made in game towards other players. Since it is a severe disregard for the Summoner’s Code this sort of behavior can result in skipping to a Two week or Permanent suspension. Suspensions of this degree based on negative behavior will not likely be reduced or removed.

I pulled this from https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-

It wasn't hidden or anything. See? I use reason to realize and find things. Not even a crusade. Perhaps you should try common sense?

ZUltimateWarriorSep 15, 20171 votes

i played for like 3 months after my last 14 days ban and got banned right after my last 2 matches for this... Game 1 ZUltimateWarrior: heca troll ZUltimateWarrior: WTF are u doing ??? ZUltimateWarrior: why did u waste ur mana ZUltimateWarrior: i go farm ZUltimateWarrior: u will ruin my lane ZUltimateWarrior: i dont need you ZUltimateWarrior: morg why did u help him ? ZUltimateWarrior: heca ZUltimateWarrior: next time dotn wasste ur mana and go b ZUltimateWarrior: ok stop talking ty ZUltimateWarrior: STOP ZUltimateWarrior: FFAS ZUltimateWarrior: MORGAANA ZUltimateWarrior: SHIELD ME ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ZUltimateWarrior: MORGANA ZUltimateWarrior: OMG ? ZUltimateWarrior: morgana u went 2 v 1 and gave lucain free kill ZUltimateWarrior: u still talking ? ZUltimateWarrior: why ZUltimateWarrior: so u troll me ? ZUltimateWarrior: lmao ZUltimateWarrior: i go my lane ZUltimateWarrior: keep flaming as long as u want ZUltimateWarrior: Tresh is using his stun on me and u shield ur self ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: gj ZUltimateWarrior: feed viktor and its lost for sure ZUltimateWarrior: yasou talking ZUltimateWarrior: LUX ZUltimateWarrior: WHY DID U FEED VIKTOR ZUltimateWarrior: morgana u dont shield me u dont eve n Q anyone ZUltimateWarrior: idk why u are talking ZUltimateWarrior: u just Q minoins ZUltimateWarrior: i dont care ZUltimateWarrior: flame ? ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: if morgana trolls me then yes i dont care ZUltimateWarrior: and jungler says no ganks bot ZUltimateWarrior: mute me for saying truth ? ZUltimateWarrior: he is trolling me bec i didnot let gnar adc ZUltimateWarrior: u never shileded me from tresh hooks ZUltimateWarrior: i dont care keep flaming ZUltimateWarrior: doesnot rly matter ZUltimateWarrior: how ? ZUltimateWarrior: they flame ZUltimateWarrior: all match' ZUltimateWarrior: u never was even from the beginning of the match morgaba ZUltimateWarrior: go roam doesnot matter ZUltimateWarrior: ty ZUltimateWarrior: sad ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: I WAS DEAD ZUltimateWarrior: morgana is the one flaming all match ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: i dont care contuine pls give them more chat logs ZUltimateWarrior: thsi guy made me titled ZUltimateWarrior: y ZUltimateWarrior: HECA GO TANK ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ? ZUltimateWarrior: xD ZUltimateWarrior: LOOK ZUltimateWarrior: HECA AND MORG FLAMING ALL MATCH and look at them ZUltimateWarrior: WOW ZUltimateWarrior: contuine ZUltimateWarrior: u just dont deserve to win it ZUltimateWarrior: keep flaming ZUltimateWarrior: GNAR ZUltimateWarrior: STOP ZUltimateWarrior: WTF? ZUltimateWarrior: ok gnar ZUltimateWarrior: go carry it ZUltimateWarrior: u take all kills ZUltimateWarrior: xDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: nice score jungler ZUltimateWarrior: gj ZUltimateWarrior: xD ZUltimateWarrior: heals me after i die ZUltimateWarrior: wtf ZUltimateWarrior: see this flamer ? ZUltimateWarrior: igo farm iam done playing with this flamers ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: gg ZUltimateWarrior: keep it ZUltimateWarrior: i stilldont care ZUltimateWarrior: ty ZUltimateWarrior: gg guys Game 2 ZUltimateWarrior: invade rengar / ZUltimateWarrior: ? ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: jhin ZUltimateWarrior: ur not tank ZUltimateWarrior: wtf is this champ ZUltimateWarrior: omg ZUltimateWarrior: heca ZUltimateWarrior: stop taking all ZUltimateWarrior: XDD ZUltimateWarrior: i didnot give 4 kills to oriana ZUltimateWarrior: smart guy' ZUltimateWarrior: ur trolling already ZUltimateWarrior: xD ZUltimateWarrior: 0 ganks mid ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: IP USH ? ZUltimateWarrior: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: doesnot matter ZUltimateWarrior: gg anyways ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: wow ZUltimateWarrior: kk ZUltimateWarrior: gj ZUltimateWarrior: cd ZUltimateWarrior: gg ZUltimateWarrior: y ZUltimateWarrior: i stoped carryiong when they all starting flaming ZUltimateWarrior: caring* ZUltimateWarrior: XD ZUltimateWarrior: did i even say that word ? ZUltimateWarrior: lmao ZUltimateWarrior: keep flaming ZUltimateWarrior: idc ZUltimateWarrior: we cannot ZUltimateWarrior: supp with no sightstone and says report lux.. ZUltimateWarrior: rly sad ZUltimateWarrior: gj ZUltimateWarrior: kk Game 3 ZUltimateWarrior: no its stone ZUltimateWarrior: plastic ZUltimateWarrior: sivir ZUltimateWarrior: i will steal skarner1s blue ZUltimateWarrior: wtf ? ZUltimateWarrior: why mute me lul ZUltimateWarrior: k whatever ZUltimateWarrior: aff ZUltimateWarrior: sivir dc ZUltimateWarrior: omg ZUltimateWarrior: niope ZUltimateWarrior: lost game ZUltimateWarrior: even fi he comes back ZUltimateWarrior: he lost farm ZUltimateWarrior: free win anyways wp ZUltimateWarrior: adc afk = defeat ZUltimateWarrior: HELP ME ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ZUltimateWarrior: gg ZUltimateWarrior: guys ZUltimateWarrior: i go ap blitz ZUltimateWarrior: adc afl ZUltimateWarrior: ok ? ZUltimateWarrior: maybe we can win like that ZUltimateWarrior: no ZUltimateWarrior: cannot have 1 normal game in this elo ZUltimateWarrior: guys play safe ZUltimateWarrior: fveiger just stck and hcarrt ZUltimateWarrior: i grap them for you ZUltimateWarrior: we can win ZUltimateWarrior: shouldnot do that ZUltimateWarrior: SIVIR BACK ZUltimateWarrior: AFTER WE LOSE ZUltimateWarrior: SIVIR ZUltimateWarrior: DONT TALK ZUltimateWarrior: TILL END OF MATCH ZUltimateWarrior: ITS LOST ZUltimateWarrior: noc babysit untill sivir farms ZUltimateWarrior: ggj ZUltimateWarrior: veiger ZUltimateWarrior: he ganked us ZUltimateWarrior: sivir needs farm ZUltimateWarrior: JUIST STACK AND STOP FLAME ZUltimateWarrior: FFS ZUltimateWarrior: dies with no vision ZUltimateWarrior: blames team ZUltimateWarrior: afk adc is defeat as i said ZUltimateWarrior: no doubts ZUltimateWarrior: ITS NOT OUR FAULT ZUltimateWarrior: WE LOST CUZ OF YOU ZUltimateWarrior: THIS MATCH WAS DAMN EASY ZUltimateWarrior: SIVIR GO FARM ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ZUltimateWarrior: sivir ZUltimateWarrior: farm bot ZUltimateWarrior: come ZUltimateWarrior: just run ZUltimateWarrior: can u leave sivir farrm bot pls ? ZUltimateWarrior: this is not fair game ZUltimateWarrior: pls leave sivir farm bot can you ? ZUltimateWarrior: BRAND ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ZUltimateWarrior: its just sad to lose like this cuz of afkers ZUltimateWarrior: mean enemies ZUltimateWarrior: just try ZUltimateWarrior: pls ZUltimateWarrior: BRANDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ZUltimateWarrior: iam done ZUltimateWarrior: surr pls ZUltimateWarrior: LOOK ZUltimateWarrior: DEFND THE DAMN BASE ZUltimateWarrior: TROLLERS ZUltimateWarrior: we lost cuz of the afker not noc ZUltimateWarrior: gj sivir ZUltimateWarrior: DEF ZUltimateWarrior: WTF ZUltimateWarrior: GG ZUltimateWarrior: def ZUltimateWarrior: only ZUltimateWarrior: XD ZUltimateWarrior: only poke ZUltimateWarrior: lol ZUltimateWarrior: we are 5

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

So making a non-hostile statement about summoners choice and debating strategy are bad things to do? haha

Shit I guess I'll just be a mute and not talk at all.

Utility BackIineSep 15, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chemtech Ionian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f0004,timestamp=2017-09-15T21:10:06.596+0000)

So making a non-hostile statement about summoners choice and debating strategy are bad things to do? haha

Shit I guess I'll just be a mute and not talk at all.

I think the biggest thing I have learned from this conversation is that banter/shit talking leaves the grey area and enters the toxic area. That seems to be the majority opinion based on public responses, and those of an Arbiter and Rioter. One player said it best. You can offer 1 suggestion, and if they say no, just move on. So far on my smurfs I've done what you mentioned. I just drag the chat off the screen and play. Its not as exciting, but it seems to be the only alternative for myself. Hopefully the support ticket will shed some light though!

KlydeFrogSep 16, 20171 votes

dude i was permabanned with out tech any punishmant what so ever literally 0. the tech part comes into play becuase several months ago my own team kept calling me a F A G so in turn i wrote in all chat what they said to me then was callign my self names nonstop u can read the chat from the game and u will see im not lying,they undid it and gave me a 25 game chat for not sayign anything....really riot come the heck on. then just today i got permabanned for people being unhappy because how i build alistar and was supposedly ks ....how can i ks when ur dead and i 1v1d people....? so please unban me thanks

RiotRiot TantramSep 18, 20175 votes

with out tech any punishmant what so ever literally 0

I don't know what you mean by 'tech' ?

Feel free to start a new thread and post your chat logs there.

KlydeFrogSep 19, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KusqXxa9,comment-id=000f00070000,timestamp=2017-09-18T17:34:59.886+0000)

I don't know what you mean by 'tech' ?

Feel free to start a new thread and post your chat logs there.

Then riot perma or 14 suspen I wrote them then they lifted it because I was not in the wrong . Then this time my own team once again was giving me crap .because I said kindred was and is a crap jungle champ .and they were mad because I built ali as a ap bruseir .was getting kills because I 1v1 people and turret dive to secure the kills and killed people after people died but somehow that's ks....

ABlueQuakerSep 16, 20171 votes

summoner 11

I just got perma banned and my chatlogs dont reflect a perma ban (IMO)

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