UNLAWFUL HOLDING OF CONTENT

Onenutt··4 votes·4,166 views

Alright. SO been going through a battle here with riot support staff about my perma banned account. I dont give a fuck about the account. i can make a new one. What i do care about is the estimated $600-$900 Ive spent over 3-4 years of playing. Now they refuse and or keep saying they wont unban the account and can not transfer the content which ive paid for. Its lost content.

I tend to disagree heavily with that. I get they dont do refunds and will not unban it. Cool whatever. But a TRANSFER is not a refund or a unban. They arent losing anything and im not gaining anything. Just want what i have paid for. My thinking..... The content which i have paid for is now my property. They have to some how find a way to give me what i paid for. whether it be transferring everything over or loading a account with that much RP and i will buy it from the shop again.

Money and goods were exchanged. That is a sale. Its the same thing as if you buy a tv, radio, car, golf clubs, anything. You hand a merchant(RIOT) money. They give you a item(CONTENT). The merchant cant keep the item and the money. That is stealing,robbery,extortion, etc. The account is able to banned cause its free... But when you pay for something is it now yours.

Am i wrong to think they should give me my content here????

91 Comments

DREADN0UGHT11 votes

You are wrong. The was no exchange of goods. You simply unlocked esthetic perks for that account. And the account was never yours in the first place. Riot lend it to you once you created it and accepted to let you use that account as long as you respected and aggreed to the ToS. Which you did everytime a new patch came out.

Sorry.

Phenyxs1 votes

Your wrong. Doesn't have to be a physical trade. It is a cyber or more simple terms for you a internet exchange that involves a on line game. This saying this person may or may not be eligible for refunds pending his ban.

DREADN0UGHT10 votes

But he never owned the skins. Therefor there never was an exchange of goods. He paid for the account to unlock it. It says so in ToS. Read up.

Phenyxs1 votes

True never paid for the account but created a account under his name. So that gave him access to play the game. And I am well aware of riot agreement. Pretty standard internet gaming format. But from first hand experience that agreement can easily be over turned. I have been refunded with similar agreements with gaming companies. But I wasn't banned. Mine were a personal matter. As I said before I didn't catch why he was banned. That would be the main picture here. I am not agreement with him nor riots on this. There are 2 sides to a story.

DREADN0UGHT9 votes

I never said anything about ownership of the account in my previous comment. I was talking about skins. He never owned them. So why would riot reimburse? You change arguments like a hooker changes drugs.

Phenyxs1 votes

Number 1 this isn't a argument to be had or taken. A simple point if view. 2 is it is between him and riot and real currency. 3 if you want to be a rude Fuck with your cocky statement back I suggest you halt it. I didn't get rude with you. I made a comment. Like it or not.

DREADN0UGHT5 votes

How am I being rude. I am just refuting your fallacious arguments. Not my problem you can't accept being wrong.

NekuDash9 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] I love people like him/her; dumb but entertaining when it comes to bans, how much money was spent and s/he think that s/he deserves to either get all/some of it back as a refund or transfer.

ModAttysu The Poro8 votes

Did you read the EULA/ToS? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Void Nargacuga5 votes

"Of course not! It doesn't say anything that could actually affect me in it right?"

I bet that will be the response. And then we all get to laugh. http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Crying-Laughing-Meme-01.png

ModAttysu The Poro7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KWTEzicM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-03-12T05:56:56.775+0000)

"Of course not! It doesn't say anything that could actually affect me in it right?"

I bet that will be the response. And then we all get to laugh. http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Crying-Laughing-Meme-01.png

Omg

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Fuck that shit. Can write all the bullshit they want. People still pay them for stuff. They cant just say sorry bro. Fuck off.

You nailed it XD

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KWTEzicM,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-12T06:10:23.364+0000)

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/22628987.jpg

Gr8 meme would r8 8/8

NekuDash2 votes

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Gr8 meme would r8 5/7

Fixed

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

{quoted}

Fixed

lmfao wp

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Kinda sad that I saw it coming that easily though.

Anyways... LET THE POPCORN EATING COMMENCE! https://i.gyazo.com/1879ddad395eac2137cba238079be701.png

Bettnachleger2 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Onenutt2 votes

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ModAttysu The Poro8 votes

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Well that's your problem then. If you did you would know this.

B. Game Assets, Riot Points and Virtual Items. When using the Game, you may accumulate in-Game assets associated with your Account, including, without limitation, objects, artifacts, currency, items, equipment, and/or other value or status indicators (“Game Assets”) that reside on servers operated by Riot Games as data. You acknowledge and agree that such Game Assets are accumulated as part of your Account and therefore you shall have no ownership or other property interest in any of those Game Assets. You further acknowledge and agree that Riot Games has the right, but not the obligation, to delete, alter, move, remove, or transfer any and all Game Assets, in whole or in part, at any time and for any reason, with or without notice to you, and with no liability of any kind to you. Riot Games does not provide or guarantee, and expressly disclaims any value, cash or otherwise, attributed to any data residing on servers operated by Riot Games, including without limitation the Game Assets associated with your Account.

And of course~

NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF RIOT GAMES. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU HAVE NO CLAIM, RIGHT, TITLE, OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS THAT YOU ACQUIRE, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR RIOT POINTS OR VIRTUAL ITEMS. FURTHERMORE, RIOT GAMES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY MANNER FOR THE DESTRUCTION, DELETION, MODIFICATION, IMPAIRMENT, “HACKING,” OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DELETION OF GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT.

My favorite!

RIOT GAMES RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND TO YOU.

So yeah, none of the shit you bought is yours. Technically this is private property and they can do whatever the hell they like with our accounts. Follow the rules or face the consequences. You accepted these terms the instant you hit accept after every patch to play.

Onenutt1 votes

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ModAttysu The Poro6 votes

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Because you broke the rules...? Seeing you being very rude and aggressive on the boards I see why.

Also, you signed the contract, you agreed to their terms, your ignorance = your problem. Not theirs.

MeilinII7 votes

YAY FOR READING COMPREHENSION. +1*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

ModAttysu The Poro5 votes

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YAY FOR READING COMPREHENSION. +1*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Shonjl7 votes

Yes. Yes they can. Learn to read or remain ignorant and stupid. They don't care if you don't like it, its legal, its told to you if you choose to read it. Thats it.

TheLittlestLulu6 votes

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Fuck that shit. Can write all the bullshit they want. People still pay them for stuff. They cant just say sorry bro. Fuck off.

They can and did. :)

Shonjl8 votes

Rofl hey look. Someone that thinks them spending money means they are immune to being banned. I need some popcorn. I love watching stupid.

MeilinII3 votes

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Rofl hey look. Someone that thinks them spending money means they are immune to being banned. I need some popcorn. I love watching stupid.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] I'll share.

Drehirth6 votes

yea you are wrong, any scenario like this the company will have their ass covered Garen teed in their Terms of service that nobody reads. It probably says somewhere in there that they can ban you whenever they want for any reason and anything on the account is not your property so they owe you nothing. or along those lines at least.

Void Nargacuga8 votes

Correct.

Terms of Service/Use

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Onenutt1 votes

Yea... no.... money was transferred. that shit is mine now

ModAttysu The Poro9 votes

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Yea... no.... money was transferred. that shit is mine now

facepalm

In using the Site, and/or by clicking “accept” when you install the Software, you acknowledge that you have read, understand and agree with the terms of this Agreement. In order to participate in the Game, you must also: (i) read, understand and agree to the EULA; (ii) install a valid copy of the Software; (iii) register for an account in the Game (an “Account”); and (iv) meet the hardware and connection requirements published on the Site. These requirements may change as the Game evolves. You are wholly responsible for the cost of all internet connection fees, along with all equipment, servicing, or repair costs necessary to allow you access to the Game.

Riot doesn't give a million flying fucks what you think. It's private property, you agreed to their terms blindly, and now you're facing the consequences. They don't owe you shit. None of that was yours, it's borrowed property basically.

MeilinII14 votes

Nope. You didn't buy anything irrevocable. You purchased a licence to use the content CONTINGENT on you following rules. As you broke the rules, you voided your licence to the content. Congratulations, you played yourself! [zombie-brand-clap]

ModAttysu The Poro9 votes

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Nope. You didn't buy anything irrevocable. You purchased a licence to use the content CONTINGENT on you following rules. As you broke the rules, you voided your licence to the content. Congratulations, you played yourself! [zombie-brand-clap]

Exactly. These people man lol

3TWarrior3 votes

this reminds me of a spongebob squarepants episode

Every krabby patty has a contract written in ketchup that states "once the krabby patty has been released to the customer, it is his or her responsibility"

ModAttysu The Poro9 votes

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yea you are wrong, any scenario like this the company will have their ass covered Garen teed in their Terms of service that nobody reads. It probably says somewhere in there that they can ban you whenever they want for any reason and anything on the account is not your property so they owe you nothing. or along those lines at least.

It does. That's why you read the ToS/EULA before you agree to a contract and pay money like this. >_>

MeilinII5 votes

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It does. That's why you read the ToS/EULA before you agree to a contract and pay money like this. >_>

Yup. Only morons sign LEGALLY BINDING documents without reading them. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

ModAttysu The Poro5 votes

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Yup. Only morons sign LEGALLY BINDING documents without reading them. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Precisely. People think I'm crazy for reading all digital contracts before signing it, but it's because of shit like this. It's a contract just like any other, don't be ignorant and entitled.

3TWarrior1 votes

although, technically league doesn't have any sort of requirement to backup that you have indeed met their conditions by reading the contract in order to play the game

however, the argument of such is flimsy at best as a click, though hasty and inappropriate...is as good as a signature now if a credit card or any form of finance is involved

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

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although, technically league doesn't have any sort of requirement to backup that you have indeed met their conditions by reading the contract in order to play the game

however, the argument of such is flimsy at best as a click, though hasty and inappropriate...is as good as a signature now if a credit card or any form of finance is involved

Everytime you patch, that thing you sign is the contract. You can't play without agreeing to it every single patch...

BlueThingamajig3 votes

I confess that I don't know the case off-hand, but there is precedent for terms of service being thrown out in a court of law if it the judge determines that the terms of use are "unreasonable" for the consumer (ex. beyond the scope of the transaction, or designed to trick the consumer)

League's terms of service aren't either of the two. They're better than itunes and some other services, too.

3TWarrior1 votes

yes, you have to click 2 buttons, aproximately the equivalent of two seconds of time

they don't even require that you scroll through the document

it is a valid time saving strategy and I enjoy not having to take the extra steps

but let's put it this way. I am an out of the average consumer where I look for the best deal. My deal from Riot includes that I play the game for free, I work in game to increase my champion roster or rune prowess and so long as I invest effort into remaining a decent individual or at least tolerable as every player has their own issues

I use general terms, such as that I hate my internet(true), I know that I only have a 50/50 chance of having a good or a bad time playing the game, so I make the best of it with those playing

For instance, a joke I made about Sion. Sion's name. In spanish, Si means yes and the other half of his name is "no" backwards

I do not target other players as much as possible and try to reason with even the unreasonable, but I understand that I am neither always right nor is an unconventional teammate or opponent always wrong

By ahdering to a general sense of decency after reading the initial terms of the game that I agreed to, I can thereby reference that riot will not implement in the future: say a suicide clause stating that "any conversation entered into the lobby not expressly considered relevant to gaming strategy is a violation of the terms of service and thereby banworthy" (essentially stating that they could ban you for anything which might distract your fellow players or yourself from performing at the team's average best)

I did not say that I or another player does not agree to the contract ToS

however, it is not without justification that an immaterial content should provide at least a safety clause so that a user may refund their content at least partially, hence paying a portion of their collective purchases as a fine for their disruptive gameplay (Unless Riot Games makes the decision to refund the purchase entirely or dismisses the charges against the consumer in accordance with that any player punished by ban will thereby agree that any future purchases from Riot Games will be non-refundable and the user's responsibility to adhere to the terms of the contract

ModAttysu The Poro2 votes

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yes, you have to click 2 buttons, aproximately the equivalent of two seconds of time

they don't even require that you scroll through the document

it is a valid time saving strategy and I enjoy not having to take the extra steps

but let's put it this way. I am an out of the average consumer where I look for the best deal. My deal from Riot includes that I play the game for free, I work in game to increase my champion roster or rune prowess and so long as I invest effort into remaining a decent individual or at least tolerable as every player has their own issues

I use general terms, such as that I hate my internet(true), I know that I only have a 50/50 chance of having a good or a bad time playing the game, so I make the best of it with those playing

For instance, a joke I made about Sion. Sion's name. In spanish, Si means yes and the other half of his name is "no" backwards

I do not target other players as much as possible and try to reason with even the unreasonable, but I understand that I am neither always right nor is an unconventional teammate or opponent always wrong

By ahdering to a general sense of decency after reading the initial terms of the game that I agreed to, I can thereby reference that riot will not implement in the future: say a suicide clause stating that "any conversation entered into the lobby not expressly considered relevant to gaming strategy is a violation of the terms of service and thereby banworthy" (essentially stating that they could ban you for anything which might distract your fellow players or yourself from performing at the team's average best)

I did not say that I or another player does not agree to the contract ToS

however, it is not without justification that an immaterial content should provide at least a safety clause so that a user may refund their content at least partially, hence paying a portion of their collective purchases as a fine for their disruptive gameplay (Unless Riot Games makes the decision to refund the purchase entirely or dismisses the charges against the consumer in accordance with that any player punished by ban will thereby agree that any future purchases from Riot Games will be non-refundable and the user's responsibility to adhere to the terms of the contract

If you skip reading the contract, that's ultimately your decision. But saying "I didn't read it cause I'm lazy, I should get at least some of my money refunded anyway" after blindly signing it is stupid. You don't sign a car contract or any other legal document irl without reading it/having a lawyer read it and explain it to you, cause that's stupid too.

3TWarrior1 votes

you gain a "portion" of your money returned

Riot's bonus content is intended to generate a profit. if you return everything the game needs to operate from the individual and keep the leftovers, what I stated is that it is thereby the user's responsibility for any future purchases from the game

A player will likely be using the same credit card or debit card for in game purchases as they were on their former account

if someone is buying riot point cards outside of game, they have thereby made a physical purchase and like any company, for conduct unbecoming of the intended state of the business, Riot Games may thereby refuse to refund the physical property bought by the party violating the terms of service and any further use of their property (unused cards) are also the responsibility of said party

physical purchases have anonymity except by the account that they are used to augment. Digital purchases are only linked to the bank account they are drawn from

Riot exhibits the express intentions of reforming individuals who violate the terms of service. If reform is truly a goal and not just a circumstantial effect, it is thereby right to allow an individual to retain some right to their property and not administer the maximum punishment

this is unfortunately a legal dilemma as there is no guarantee of reform, however, conditions can influence an individual to perform better than they have previously or they face the same consequences or worse

I made a post to another comment about the content "being his or her responsibility", but in terms of digital content, the fine heavily outweighs the crime committed and said crime can be committed again repeatedly without consequence except the creation of a new account.

Ip bans are no longer viable due to routers and dynamic IP addresses

Astôlfo5 votes

Why do you keep saying "your money"? It's not "your money". It's Riot's. Why should they give you free money? The moment you agreed to pay them for whatever digital items you wanted, it now became their money.

And no, it's not their property. It was, is, and always will be Riot's. The only thing they do is lend you usage of it. And sure, technically with their ToC, they could just mass delete every single account. But they won't do that. The point is so that dumb trolls like this thread creator can't try and sue Riot when they get banned.

Their fault they got banned, they deserve nothing.

Shonjl5 votes

Or act like this idiot when it goes bad. I myself don't read them since I dont feel like sitting there for hours, but I at least know what any online game company can and can't do.

They are able to do this since they tell you. Its your own problem if you read or not. Thats like saying you didn't know stealing wasn't allowed at the store since you wanted it for free. They don't care if you truly didn't know or not, your ass is meeting bubba.

TheLittlestLulu5 votes

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Money and goods were exchanged. That is a sale. Its the same thing as if you buy a tv, radio, car, golf clubs, anything. You hand a merchant(RIOT) money. They give you a item(CONTENT). The merchant cant keep the item and the money. That is stealing,robbery,extortion, etc. The account is able to banned cause its free... But when you pay for something is it now yours.

I take it you never learned about the concept of renting. Would you pay for a stay at a hotel and then wonder why you don't own the room?

The Bearded Bard5 votes

Well it's definitely not extortion. Extortion is obtaining money through threats, example, a gang threatening to bust up your store if you don't pay them monthly. Anyways, take it to court. I'm sure their lawyers are hungry for an easy win against an uneducated asshat that can't even play a game without getting a ban.

Astôlfo2 votes

They could then probably press charges for wasting their time by forcing Riot to get lawyers in the first place. Or the court might just throw the other guy out for frivolous reasons of suing or whatever.

Colgate Gator4 votes

Reading the ToS you mindlessly click "Accept" on every patch might do you some good before you begin claiming a legal fight.

This model is more akin to renting stuff as long as you don't break the place's rules, in your case, you were kicked out because you shat on the hallway.

SexySoapTurtle1 votes

This is part of the reason i don't buy anything from riot anymore :D. My account has never been suspended. But ever since i found this info out. I now know not to spend my money on the game!! Just my opinion.

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