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So i've just been permaban and kinda wanna be open minded about this with other ppls opinion

Aokirai··3 votes·718 views

So i've been perma ban based on 2 games + negativity and although i can say I was rude and or flamed alittle, I still don't think it was worth a perma ban

Game 1 Aokirai: oh god u shoved it into my vagina Aokirai: i cant perma heal til level 9 Aokirai: so Aokirai: if u get trist e u should probs back til it explodes Aokirai: COME TO ME Aokirai: FOR FUCK SAKE Aokirai: ARE U SRS Aokirai: im not gonna stay and heal u Aokirai: if you play like shit Aokirai: I COULDVE HEALED U Aokirai: AND U COULDVE LIVED Aokirai: it wouldve been 2 for 1. Aokirai: if u dont know how to play with soraka play caitlyn. Aokirai: me? Aokirai: oh xD Aokirai: annie? Aokirai: hel;lo Aokirai: mod lamer./ Aokirai: holy shit Aokirai: dude Aokirai: it was fucking 3 kills Aokirai: 2 lowl. Aokirai: u press q Aokirai: u auto attakc Aokirai: he dead. Aokirai: if this is how u guys play Aokirai: we've lost and fff 15 Aokirai: wahey Aokirai: u go in Aokirai: without vision Aokirai: xD Aokirai: youre on your own now im roaming Aokirai: and u lost 1v1 Aokirai: with a 33% win/loss ration Aokirai: ratio* Aokirai: xD Aokirai: dont play a champ you're crap with Aokirai: this kalister is so bad Aokirai: i cant 1v2 that bot lane. Aokirai: xDyoure bad Aokirai: just ff Aokirai: LOL dude, u don't know how to play with a soraka. and u pick 1 of the worst adcs this meta Aokirai: cant blame me for that. Aokirai: games open Aokirai: 9x this kalista, flaming, toxic, trolling, feeding Aokirai: LOL i lost? Aokirai: he went into u 2v2 knowing fiddle was bot. Aokirai: no haras? with what Aokirai: LOL Aokirai: a level 1 q? Aokirai: l2p Aokirai: youre so b ad as an adc Aokirai: LOL okay Aokirai: u clearly are a "meta slave" or something? Aokirai: xD im not talking to boosted frenchies Aokirai: <3 u too

Game 2 Aokirai: i cri everytime Aokirai: care Aokirai: ? Aokirai: wow Aokirai: thats what yi kayle is Aokirai: hes getting fed Aokirai: only way u lose top is if u make shit trades like that :^) Aokirai: r u srs Aokirai: youre shit Aokirai: muted Aokirai: wish that was true Aokirai: bots perma pushed Aokirai: games over ff 15 Aokirai: look at zac Aokirai: bots af ree gank Aokirai: well u havent helped top at all all game Aokirai: so why help now why they're fed? Aokirai: stupid thing is we dont even have a jungler this game.. Aokirai: sigh Aokirai: nice 1 kid Aokirai: got no jungler or support either Aokirai: later the game goes harder it gets Aokirai: well atleast we can surrender after 20 Aokirai: ward nashg Aokirai: 1 shjot Aokirai: by yi

This is my chat log from the ticket I was given, and although i admit that yes I flamed/was rude alittle, I have changed alot and have been trying to get better from my last punishments. I did send in a ticket but was told that I wasn't only ban from the flaming but the negativity, and although i see where they're coming from, i still don't think it's worth the perma ban.. like people get negative every now and then and 1 or 2 negative games out of the lot shouldn't give you harsh punishments in my opinion, like i've been positive in a lot of my games more than i've been negative and the odd game i get 5 reports that's when your account gets flonked, even majority of the time you were rude in the game was defending yourself (yes you can say i can "mute" them and that's what i did after not being able to take them anymore)

But let's be honest.. in some games u can't always be positive and u have to be able to know when a games over and just ff and move on right? <removed by moderation> This is the 2nd game where my jungler was literally afk in jungle as zac, refused to gank, when he did gank he literally went into lane and died. i don't blame the top laner for his bad kda as i know what he was up against but after awhile, things got bad; my support started running it down lets say (he legit ran into the enemy team and died and if i recall he even said to ff cus the game was over), even when i said games over.. i still tried my hardest to keep us in the game but when you lose what.. 2-3 inhibs in 15 minutes... how can you say that i'm being negative and that.. THAT GAME is not over..?

Game 1 was yesterdays game <removed by moderation> Like i'm not gonna lie this is the game i was more on edge on, you've just got out of the huge loss streak and you went from decent w/l to a tilting like.. 1/15 after some time (yes 1 win 15 loses). You can probs say "well isn't that your fault?" and something along those lines but you just can't carry every game no matter how good you are... like it starts off with banter (me playing with kalista, i was joking about his spear etc) but then obviously i get abit frustrated about certain things (like how kalista runs into the bot lane while there is no vision and fiddle being called bot side).. ults me into him when fiddle ults and we both die.

I then obviously mute him after awhile but at that point im somewhat tilted and yeah i'm negative... but look, i honestly played lane well and if i could get a replay i would like to give it to you guys. The kalista not long after honestly runs it down bot 1v2 and i'm the 1 blamed for it? even the other team flaming me for "losing lane" etc... I just don't think this is just.. like you ignore them but that still doesn't make it okay.

i mean this is part of the response i got: Also,regarding players that say worse things. Being negative entails more than just flaming, it's about your overall attitude towards players, criticizing, complaining, making fun of, spamming the chat, etc. You were escalated through the whole basic path. Being fully toxic just skips you through those steps and gets you to the permaban faster, but it doesn't mean that lesser negative behavior isn't punishable.

It's not about the gravity of the offense, it's about not stopping after you've been warned so many times. I assure you that the same fate comes to the players that you report which are more toxic.

I agree with him but at the same time.. i just don't think it's fair to judge on 2 games if you compare to the many that you've played. Yes I was negative, but if you literally had the whole games log... that was after the whole team literally flaming each other, losing t2 tower at like 10-15 minutes, losing 1 or 2 inhibs at like 20-25 mins or so. I have previously posted this onto a ticket and even posted my ticket with my report card onto a small gaming community on discord.. even they say that what I've said shouldn't be permabannable and that apart from being rude/flaming the small amount of times, it's normal and that I wasn't that bad... I dunno.. i just wanna know what you guys think then? and have another opinion on this...

Above this screenshot was also the same chatlog <removed by moderation>

Guess i'm kinda upset that this happened to my account on a basis i and afew other people don't justift as perma-ban worthy.

Edit: <removed by moderation> You cannot say that this kalista was not inting.. surely... and he has not been penalized... i know i got probably like 5 reports and he only got 2.. just because i was being flamed by the enemy adc and support and they didn't report him but reported me for "losing his lane"

22 Comments

HalcyonDweller3 votes

  1. It would depend on your track record and past punishments. If you have had a 14-day ban before then this would be par for the course, because after a 14-day ban you're on thin ice and even small stuff could result in a permanent ban afterwards.

  2. Is there something negative about being french? I don't see why boosting should be associated with a particular nationality more than another nationality. Honestly this seemed racist of you.

  3. That chat log is full of a lot of negativity and a lot of giving up. Even if you didn't specifically harass another player this might have still resulted in you getting punished somehow, giving up and constantly reminding the team that you gave up is bound to create a negative experience even for the innocent bystanders (whichever teammates were not a part of the toxicity) in your games.

FYI:

https://i.imgur.com/6RsVpEZ.png

Aokirai1 votes

Like but over 2 games.. if it was several games or where i was heavily toxic it'd be understandable.. I there's no justifiable reason for flaming but even then, based on the 2 games i'm judged on it doesn't feel fair or justified.

I did report them and everyone who is negative is supposed to meet the same fate? but they don't.. I got the screenshot of someone inting 0/25 and he is fine... The other people were flaming me didn't get penalized.. literally how does the report system work? it flags based on number of reports? Other ppl who said worse haven't been penalized. Like fair enough i shouldn't of reacted to them or flamed but at first instinct anyone would defend themselves, and i did use the mute button but that's "only meant to be used as a last resort when u cant take it anymore" as i read somewhere on a league of legends page i think. I wasn't throwing out threats and yes I was negative but slightly? in 2 games, 1 is very miniscule and the other... The way it feels even when someone is toxic, people get reported but it's majority report that affects it..

That kalista literally inted and i showed proof but he isn't penalized. He's playing more games right now...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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Like but over 2 games.. if it was several games or where i was heavily toxic it'd be understandable.. I there's no justifiable reason for flaming but even then, based on the 2 games i'm judged on it doesn't feel fair or justified.

I mean, have you ever been 14-day banned before? And what about chat restricted? If you haven't had a 14-day ban before then it's a different story and you might have a case, but I dunno. Usually if Riot thinks a permaban is justified then they won't lift it. You're going to have to be able to convince Riot themselves that your ban was unjustified.

I did report them and everyone who is negative is supposed to meet the same fate? but they don't.. I got the screenshot of someone inting 0/25 and he is fine...

On what grounds do you think he is fine?

The other people were flaming me didn't get penalized..

There's no way of knowing whether or not they got punished, as we are not notified 100% of the time our reports cause a punishment, and chat restrictions could be implemented without causing any significant changes in their match history.

literally how does the report system work? it flags based on number of reports?

No, it flags a game for review if there are any reports, 1 or 9 counts the same - they do not stack. And after that whether it decides to punish or not is based not on the number of reports, but on the actual behavior reviewed in the game. So multiple reports doesn't help at all with getting people punished.

Other ppl who said worse haven't been penalized.

As I said earlier,

  1. on what grounds? And,

  2. there's no way of knowing if they got chat restricted.

Like fair enough i shouldn't of reacted to them or flamed but at first instinct anyone would defend themselves, and i did use the mute button but that's "only meant to be used as a last resort when u cant take it anymore" as i read somewhere on a league of legends page i think. I wasn't throwing out threats and yes I was negative but slightly? in 2 games, 1 is very miniscule and the other...

I understand, it feels unexpected and unfair, but again if you've had a 14-day ban before then I don't really find this surprising. Like I said, 14-day bans mean thin ice.

The way it feels even when someone is toxic, people get reported but it's majority report that affects it..

I know it feels that way, but I assure you that is not the case. Rioters have confirmed this several times, even showing the bit of code that decides whether or not to review a match for punishable behavior.

That kalista literally inted and i showed proof but he isn't penalized. He's playing more games right now...

If they actually inted and the system failed to pick up on it then you should submit a support ticket to let them know. They can investigate and decide whether the person is guilty or not or whether to tune the system or not to make it more accurate. They won't tell you what happens as a result of that review (which may happen weeks later due to the queue of rmanual reviews that seems to build up), but you can rest assured that they will review it and take any actions they deem appropriate.

Aokirai1 votes

Yeah i've had a 14-day ban months ago but that's the point, to reform; but what you're saying is still becoming irrelevant based on your pic, it's like practically telling someone not to talk cus alot of things can be made to look either negative or flame. And cus in the past (probably past system) i got chat ban for literally saying nothing counted as "refusing to communicate to team". systems aren't 100% accurate and that's why i want it looked into from a human perspective rather than a computerised perspective with a look-a-like copy and paste message.. (talking about the message from my ticket).

Like I said, on what grounds did i say was it okay for me to do any of that? I said it wasn't and i do understand that, but based on your picture me and several people think that i don't even meet that quota comparing with what i say. I wasn't extremely toxic (yes i was abit) and I showed you proof on inting. u can't not die every minute and not call it inting... I mean does it make sense? to get chat restricted for inting?... and on what grounds? cus quite afew ppl slur u off and cursing u saying "haha i knew you'd get penalized, i didn't :^)" and just remove u from friends after.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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Yeah i've had a 14-day ban months ago but that's the point, to reform; but what you're saying is still becoming irrelevant based on your pic, it's like practically telling someone not to talk cus alot of things can be made to look either negative or flame. And cus in the past (probably past system) i got chat ban for literally saying nothing counted as "refusing to communicate to team". systems aren't 100% accurate and that's why i want it looked into from a human perspective rather than a computerised perspective with a look-a-like copy and paste message.. (talking about the message from my ticket).

Right, well to reform, you have to show consistent positive behavior. I personally don't have much stake in it, but it's possible that the reform system should be changed to be more lenient with considering when players reform.

No, it's not telling you not to talk "because talking can just be made to look like flaming." The thing is, usually people who claim that simply using chat "normally" can get you banned are just the people who's "normal" talking encompasses a lot of the behaviors that Riot does consider punishable. There are lots of people who use chat regularly without being punished. It is absolutely possible, learning it just takes time and practice and patience.

Like I said, on what grounds did i say was it okay for me to do any of that? I said it wasn't and i do understand that, but based on your picture me and several people think that i don't even meet that quota comparing with what i say. I wasn't extremely toxic (yes i was abit) and I showed you proof on inting. u can't not die every minute and not call it inting... I mean does it make sense? to get chat restricted for inting?...

Your definition of inting is not the same as Riot's definition. It is possible that Riot chat restricted them for the things they said, thinking that they did not int. Or it is possible that they have not been manually reviewed yet and have not received punishment yet because of that.

and on what grounds? cus quite afew ppl slur u off and cursing u saying "haha i knew you'd get penalized, i didn't :^)" and just remove u from friends after.

You accept friend requests from people who pissed you off in-game? Dude that's never worth your time. If you know that they are trolls or that they want to mock you then don't open that line for communication with them. Also regarding what they said, they probably just lied to get under your skin, the same way people say shit like, "report me lol I don't care," they're bluffing just to try to piss you off.

Aokirai1 votes

but that's what i mean, i've been showing improvement, i had my 14-day ban like months ago i think and out of that time I've only been flagged 2 games, which in my opinion weren't that bad that it would deserve a perma ban.. sure like u said im on thin ice.. but i still think there should be some leniency in improvement... i haven't been just flaming every game ever since the 14-day ban, some things i said like the bots a free gank wasn't intended as negativity but rather saying the enemy bot lane is a free gank.. and i've shown a lot of consist positivity apart from these 2 games.. which i think are reasonable to be slightly negative under those circumstances considering i was opting to take a break after both of them....

Edit: like to add on to this, it's not like i told someone to go off themselves if you get what i mean... negativity will always be there no matter who you are and when it starts showing that's when u stop and take a breather. And you can only show so much positivity especially when it goes very bad (i just had a game that started 4/2 towards the enemy team and 6 minutes in my adc was 0/4 or 0/5.., that's what i call a bad game because of a bad start). The situations are different but the positivity is still there up til certain points in the games i was flagged for

and i know it isn't but that's what it's like in the lower rank games most of the time unless people are just absolutely happy-go-lucky or mute as soon as they see 1 piece of negativity... like i said out of quite a lot of games, i've only been flagged for these 2 incidents which must show improvement right? and yeah i know i agree i shouldn't of flamed or be negative but i just feel that this ban is so unjust considering the situation Like u said, it takes time practice and patience

and in regards to the inting i hope that is the case.. i feel that it should be reviewed as its own case atleast

I mean.. i don't except to play another game after a tilting game, rather take a break... and especially at the time it happens you just wanna see what they have to say specially when you think they'll get penalized.. yeah it isn't worth it i know but at that point i'm not going to play another game so i can just chill it off

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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but that's what i mean, i've been showing improvement, i had my 14-day ban like months ago i think and out of that time I've only been flagged 2 games, which in my opinion weren't that bad that it would deserve a perma ban.. sure like u said im on thin ice.. but i still think there should be some leniency in improvement... i haven't been just flaming every game ever since the 14-day ban, some things i said like the bots a free gank wasn't intended as negativity but rather saying the enemy bot lane is a free gank.. and i've shown a lot of consist positivity apart from these 2 games.. which i think are reasonable to be slightly negative under those circumstances considering i was opting to take a break after both of them....

Edit: like to add on to this, it's not like i told someone to go off themselves if you get what i mean... negativity will always be there no matter who you are and when it starts showing that's when u stop and take a breather. And you can only show so much positivity especially when it goes very bad (i just had a game that started 4/2 towards the enemy team and 6 minutes in my adc was 0/4 or 0/5.., that's what i call a bad game because of a bad start). The situations are different but the positivity is still there up til certain points in the games i was flagged for

and i know it isn't but that's what it's like in the lower rank games most of the time unless people are just absolutely happy-go-lucky or mute as soon as they see 1 piece of negativity... like i said out of quite a lot of games, i've only been flagged for these 2 incidents which must show improvement right? and yeah i know i agree i shouldn't of flamed or be negative but i just feel that this ban is so unjust considering the situation Like u said, it takes time practice and patience

and in regards to the inting i hope that is the case.. i feel that it should be reviewed as its own case atleast

I mean.. i don't except to play another game after a tilting game, rather take a break... and especially at the time it happens you just wanna see what they have to say specially when you think they'll get penalized.. yeah it isn't worth it i know but at that point i'm not going to play another game so i can just chill it off

Ok but like I said before, what you consider to be only slightly negative may be much more negative in Riot's eyes. I'm with you on this, and you seem to understand the circumstances and the why to things. I'm sorry you got banned, it seems to me you just have a less sensitive sense for how much is too much. You can appeal with a support ticket but I'm not sure they will lift it, as they usually don't when they think a ban was justified.

My condolences though, it sucks to get punished just because of being pushed over the edge by others.

Aokirai1 votes

Thank you, i really do see the fault in the my negativity i really do, and i'm glad i can come to an understanding with someone else :( it just sucks and i wish i could be given another chance or even have my ban reviewed personally by someone

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I feel for you, it's stressful and unfair. You can try contacting player support, if you're really nice and polite then they might be inclined to give you a manual review, but I can't promise that a manual review would result in getting unbanned. Good luck!

Aokirai1 votes

Edit: on note 3, in game 1 i didn't even say ff 15, i said if that's how they play because they're literally feeding them at that point rather than either playing safe or playing to certain advantages, even then the game was somewhat filled with negativity because of other players on other lanes like riven flaming the jungler for not ganking and ppl flaming for not helping... and even when they say ff at 15 they aren't penalized?. i still tried my best not to lose the game... while they were inting in my game and they aren't penalized? does that mean it's okay for me to int in other ppls games if i don't talk and pretend i'm bad?... he doesn't even survive more than a minute before running into the enemy team again.

No one can not be negative after that game. no matter who you are, you can't tell me not to be negative after what happens in a very bad game, and if you're like "then don't play the game if you're just gonna be negative" well i don't wanna be negative. they're the ones that make me negative. so I have a break after a negative game... but i didn't get to because that happened after that game, probably due to getting a lot of reports in a single game...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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and on note 3, all i said was ff at 15 it's over, at that point the game was filled with negativity because of other players on other lanes...

You said quite a lot more negative things than just that. Including calling people bad, saying bot is a free gank, passive aggressively saying that you don't have a jungler... etc. If you'd like help identifying which things were probably considered punishable by Riot I can give you my interpretation of your chat log.

and even when they say ff at 15 they aren't penalized? i still tried my best not to lose the game... while they were inting in my game and they aren't penalized? does that mean it's okay for me to int in other ppls games if i don't talk and pretend i'm bad?... he doesn't even survive more than a minute before running into the enemy team again.

  1. dying a lot is not the same as inting. Just going to clear that up right now, because I've had enough people act like dying 3 or 4 times is automatically inting. Some people just tilt and play terribly, and you're going to have to just accept that or find ways to encourage them to play safer before it gets that far out of hand.

  2. No it is definitely not okay for you to int in other peoples' games. Just because the automated system doesn't catch inting does not mean that a manual review will not. If you int, people will submit support tickets about you and Riot's player behavior team will review you themselves, and if they find that you were actually inting then they will punish you to the fullest extent of the rules - 14-day ban or perma ban depending on track record.

  3. Like I said in #2, the automated system isn't that great with inting, but submitting a support ticket can result in a manual review. You can submit a ticket about the player and Riot will review them manually as soon as they have manpower available to do that.

Aokirai1 votes

I know it's not okay for me to int, that's what i'm saying. on terms 2 - 3 i understand that

but for #1.. i'd like to know your list on interpretation cus. yeah i called him bad and that's where i said i was rude/slightly toxic if you read correctly. BUT how is saying that THEIR BOT LANE is a free gank negative? if you have the right context instead of just throwing crap out the door you'd understand fully.

In game 2 sure saying i don't have a jungler is negative. But when you play a game 4v5 with a champion that is meant to be really good at ganking and helping other lanes you expect anyone on my team including me not to turn slightly negative? he barely helped at all... yeah that doesn't make it okay, but that still isn't that bad that it is perma-ban worthy; and i stopped playing and took a break after that game too if i recall.

also for 1. there's a difference to having a bad game and inting. you can have a lot of deaths and int sure, how is dying 5 times in 5 minutes not inting when he's literally just running into the enemy team? could just farm up more in the time he died but he runs into the enemy team...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

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I know it's not okay for me to int, that's what i'm saying. on terms 2 - 3 i understand that

Ok.

but for #1.. i'd like to know your list on interpretation cus. yeah i called him bad and that's where i said i was rude/slightly toxic if you read correctly. BUT how is saying that THEIR BOT LANE is a free gank negative? if you have the right context instead of just throwing crap out the door you'd understand fully.

Ah, yes then that would be very context dependent. Alongside your other chat it looked pretty negative, but it's possible that the system wrongly added that to the score for negativity. I don't think that that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Your other chat in these games was probably enough to push you over the edge even without that one misinterpreted statement.

In game 2 sure saying i don't have a jungler is negative. But when you play a game 4v5 with a champion that is meant to be really good at ganking and helping other lanes you expect anyone on my team including me not to turn slightly negative? he barely helped at all... yeah that doesn't make it okay, but that still isn't that bad that it is perma-ban worthy; and i stopped playing and took a break after that game too if i recall.

I understand, however after a 14-day ban, if your standing hasn't improved then even small infractions can result in a permanent ban. As for taking a break, it doesn't count time to improve in days, it counts it in games played. And it's possible to skate by without punishments for a while when you're on thin ice without earning enough honors to get free of the thin ice for a long time. tldr; you can still be playing after a 14-day ban and simply have your standing not improving enough to count as reform in Riot's eyes.

also for 1. there's a difference to having a bad game and inting. you can have a lot of deaths and int sure, how is dying 5 times in 5 minutes not inting when he's literally just running into the enemy team? could just farm up more in the time he died but he runs into the enemy team...

It certainly could be inting, but regardless of that, calling it out can only make things worse. The reason is human behavior. People who int are doing it to 'punish' their teammates and get a reaction out of you. So calling attention to the fact that they are inting is literally giving them the reward they are looking for, and telling them, "hey if you keep doing this I'm going to give you even more reactions." So if a person is genuinely trolling then reacting to them like that will only make them want to do it even more.

And if they are innocent, then, well... you can probably imagine how angry it would make you if someone falsely accused you of doing something you didn't actually do. This alone is sometimes enough to drive a person over the edge, either going into full blown tilt and playing absolutely horribly or switching into becoming a full blown troll.

So it doesn't even matter if they are inting or not, because calling attention to it and giving them a reaction can only make the situation worse. Plus the rest of the team has to deal with the environment you help create by engaging with said person at their level. This is why Riot considers it punishable.

Aokirai1 votes

I didn't call him out for inting at all though. but there's a difference in game-play from playing and inting where if you're playing bad you still try... but when you're inting you run directly into the enemy team no matter what. If i re-read my chat correctly i didn't call him a troll or say he's inting once in chat, you can just tell he is by the way he plays... there is a difference. the rest of it is understandable context, but still doesn't justify the perma-ban punishment on something that's not on the same punishment-scale and i'm sure i have been showing improvement while playing games as well...

HalcyonDweller1 votes

You'll have to forgive me for using the phrase "calling out" as I must have gotten this post confused with another one I responded to recently.

Substitute "calling them out" for giving them a reaction though and it's still just as applicable.

Like I said if you want to appeal the punishment you can take it up with Riot support. Ultimately Riot is the judge and they probably thought that your chat throughout the games was too much. You can appeal it but I dunno if they will lift it. Best of luck to you.

Chermorg2 votes

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TornadoIDS2 votes

Riot is trash https://imgur.com/a/FdI4C

RenekTonsOfDmg1 votes

I think "Slave" in "Meta Slave" is still taken as an insult just like the n word because it's a computer and it doesn't care about the context, so saying slave in game may be as bad as calling someone the n word or telling him to k word

Aokirai1 votes

I mean fair enough i did have a 14-day ban few months before, and honestly I wasn't particularly trying to be racist when i mentioned frenchie, obviously i'm frustrated because i'm not only being flamed by my team but the enemy adc/support too. but honestly.

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You just still can't justify me being negative in this 1 game to this perma-ban, look even on the kill map.. death after death after death.. he's purely inting, he doesn't survive for over a minute. he's just dies. no 1 no matter who it is would be positive after that... and @renek I don't exactly see the bad side to the meta slave bit as i wasn't directly calling him a slave.

Also kingesthorse says the same fate would come to other ppl but ik for a fact they were bad if not worse in a different aspect of negativity and they aren't ban or punished. just because I'm the 1 that got like 5 reports (3 from my team and 2 from enemy adc supp).

Edit: I pretty much tried the entire game up until they were taking the nexus... despite him dying minute after minute... and being flamed by my team..

ImTheGuyinFire1 votes

I was in that game 1 actually and the environment was super toxic... I didn't even know you got banned for this. Honestly, that kalista and riven were really toxic towards you - I felt like they were the ones who instigated the "argument". Alongside this, kalista actually gave up on the game; she wasn't even trying.

Most of what I can see is not report worthy (like giving directions on what to do and them disagreeing on it, then you justifying your points). Also, I believe that "boosted frenchies" should not be taken as racism* because you aren't saying major derogatory terms towards the recipients race. However, it is perfidious to think that only saying "games open" means that you have given up, despite the fact that you were still playing with all that was going on. Most of what I remember, and can see, were just tactical disagreements anyways (which isn't reportable), but i guess calling people "bad" is seen as toxic nowadays :/.

I can't vouch anything for game 2, but based on the chat log, it seemed that riot THOUGHT you had given up. Game 2 seems to have nothing worth a perma ban despite being on "thin ice". Riot says to "REPORT A SUMMONER FOR DELIBERATELY REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME" but based on my personal experience with you in game 1, I'd be willing to say that you still played despite all that was going on, surely riot can't perma ban someone for implying they'd surrender if this kept up. They can't just assume you were afk or not participating based on chat logs.

I can't vouch anything for game 2, but based on the chat log, it seemed that riot THOUGHT you had given up. Game 2 seems to have nothing worth a perma ban despite being on "thin ice". Riot says to "REPORT A SUMMONER FOR DELIBERATELY REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME" but based on my personal experience with you in game 1, I'd be willing to say that you still played despite all that was going on, surely riot can't perma ban someone for implying they'd surrender if this kept up. They can't just assume you were afk or not participating based on chat logs.

Racism* - The belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by HEREDITARY factors and this endows some races with intrinsic superiority. - Collins Dictionary 21st Century edition. Being boosted isn't hereditary, you acquire boosting out of your own self will, leading me to believe that saying "boosted frenchies" is not racist.

Fegone1 votes

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I mean fair enough i did have a 14-day ban few months before, and honestly I wasn't particularly trying to be racist when i mentioned frenchie, obviously i'm frustrated because i'm not only being flamed by my team but the enemy adc/support too. but honestly.

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You just still can't justify me being negative in this 1 game to this perma-ban, look even on the kill map.. death after death after death.. he's purely inting, he doesn't survive for over a minute. he's just dies. no 1 no matter who it is would be positive after that... and @renek I don't exactly see the bad side to the meta slave bit as i wasn't directly calling him a slave.

Also kingesthorse says the same fate would come to other ppl but ik for a fact they were bad if not worse in a different aspect of negativity and they aren't ban or punished. just because I'm the 1 that got like 5 reports (3 from my team and 2 from enemy adc supp).

Edit: I pretty much tried the entire game up until they were taking the nexus... despite him dying minute after minute... and being flamed by my team..

AHA! There we go. 2 week ban, what did you learn? NOTHING. Still toxic af, still no sign of reformation, still behaving like a child. And then you wonder why you get punished. Come on dude...

And for your comment: Like but over 2 games.. if it was several games or where i was heavily toxic it'd be understandable.. I there's no justifiable reason for flaming but even then, based on the 2 games i'm judged on it doesn't feel fair or justified.

It wasn't over 2 games. It was over your allover record. These 2 games just pushed you over the edge. You had your 2nd chance when you had your 2 weeks ban. That's Riot telling you: ENOUGH! Behave or you will be forced to leave! LAST CHANCE

What do you do? Ignore it and happily spread toxicity game after game.

I'm glad you got permabanned, well deserved, and well done Riot from removing him from the Rift. We don't need people like you.

Telephone Booth1 votes

This is punishment worthy. If you've received a 14 day ban, then naturally, the next punishment is gonna be permaban. Sucks dude, permabans are harsh af.

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