riot, pls prove that robots are not banning people

ognomet··1 votes·640 views

i just got 14 days ban over nothing... at the end ill just paste my chat log. i would very much like ANYONE responsible for accounts to tell me on what grounds have i been banned: FOR TYPING INGAME, for asking for teamplay. some kid decides to ragequit and im to blame for pointing out he is playing bad, and asking him NOT to afk farm the jungle while kha has SAME cs and 6 0 2 compared to his 1 1 1 !?!?!? only reason i see this ban as being AUTOMATICALLY done by a robot, that only registers complaints from bronze players. so RITO ( no that is not a typo) if you gonna have a system pls at least make it a human(e) one. ill end here and leave you the chat log i was banned over ( despite the conversation with riven> where i say "sck a dck" to his swearing to me) i dont see anything bannable, but hey what do i know! Game 1 ognomet: on ur boots? ognomet: heca pls ognomet: kha has 2 kp and same cs as u ognomet: ok lets open ognomet: 3 fed hypercarries by now ognomet: ya oi ognomet: sck a dck ognomet: heca u still gonna afk farm jungle? ognomet: times u have been top to help me? ognomet: ok report him ognomet: and open mid ognomet: y aok ognomet: asking for help is bad? ognomet: he afk farmed jungle ognomet: while kha is 6 0 1 ognomet: zzzzzzzzz ognomet: w/e ognomet: BECAUSE kha came to gank ognomet: heca did not even bother with top ognomet: ya ok ognomet: now shut up ognomet: heca is ragequit ognomet: izi game ognomet: bronze players ognomet: asking him to do HIS job ognomet: is not sad ognomet: riven players should just shut up ognomet: and win 2 v 1 ognomet: 3 of which is kha ognomet: so yea ognomet: w/e... riven players ognomet: kha again ognomet: and now ill just mute u.. talk to the hand ognomet: yup ... have fun ognomet: why are we NOT openning mid? ognomet: have fun frustrating urself ognomet: NO DUDE ognomet: i know how these games end ognomet: when i have bronze players ognomet: rep heca

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Better Jungler7 votes

very toxic logs.

a "Robot" is banning people. Its a program built to find toxic players and issue punishments based on how toxic they are. From what I understand, originally developed by RIot Lyte, and when he left, Riot Tantrum took over as the lead designer and architect the system.

14 day ban over nothing...

Explain to me how this is "nothing" you're consistently flaming, belittling, and argueing with your team. You're making the game a shitty place for everyone else that has to be in a game with you. How is this okay to you?

but what do I know

apparently nothing.

Chermorg2 votes

The idea/concept was formulated by Lyte, but as far as I'm aware Tantram has always been the one coding/maintaining the system and its rules. He just took over Lyte's position when Lyte left, but nothing really changed in terms of what he did for the system (except he has more work now presumably hehe).

Better Jungler1 votes

Ah I see. good to know.

ognomet1 votes

ok lets review : it was only after my SEVENTH sentence where i only mentioned him TWICE (the jungler, after which he ragequit). and you figure this is being toxic, me flaming, or belittlling a player? too bad chat log gives only my chat so it is izi to judge! about the shitty place: i was vs riven that had kha came three times top and was almost imposible to lane vs her. my jungler came ZERO times top. yet i got : report him for inting top. as you can see i already asked for help, and pointed his mistakes; that goes under flaming now days. i see the points you make, but just as you see me being biased, did you come to check your judgment on the chat log as biased too?

Better Jungler1 votes

You're missing the entire point.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS BUT YOU. YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT CONTROLS YOUR KEYBOARD.

It doesnt matter that the jungler didnt gank you (he doesnt have to) what matters, and the ENTIRE reason for the ban, is because of your inability to control your emotions. The ban was because YOU ARE TOXIC. not because of anything else. Doesnt matter how late in the game you were toxic, or what caused you to be toxic, your chat is all that matters. Enjoy your ban.

archerno13 votes

Robots ARE banning people.

wibblemu93 votes

I live for these type of post lmao [sg-miss-fortune]

Tenth Leper2 votes

Firstly, I do not see these logs as appropriate conduct on your part.

Secondly, it does not matter if it is a robot or a person or a chinchilla or a waterfountain doing the banning, it only matters if the ban is correct.

ognomet1 votes

which part is innapropriate? ty

Better Jungler3 votes

ognomet: sck a dck ognomet: heca u still gonna afk farm jungle? ognomet: times u have been top to help me? ognomet: ok report him ognomet: and open mid

ognomet: now shut up ognomet: heca is ragequit ognomet: izi game ognomet: bronze players

ognomet: riven players should just shut up

ognomet: why are we NOT openning mid? ognomet: have fun frustrating urself ognomet: NO DUDE ognomet: i know how these games end ognomet: when i have bronze players ognomet: rep heca

How do you not see this as toxic? You're being a complete asshole to your teammates. It doesnt matter what they did/said, you control your own actions. I'm honestly baffled that you can't see this is not the way you act in social situations.

If you want actual rules you broke: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

sck a dck- **is an insult to other players ** bronze players- another insult. why are we NOT openning mid? **- Giving up **

you keep doing these things over and over in this one chat log. 14 days is the LAST WARNING You get, so if you're even the least bit toxic when this ban is over, we will be seeing a board post from you saying "WRONGFULLY PERMABANNED?!" and you'll lose your account. I really hope that you reform, but if not I don't mind losing another toxic player.

ognomet1 votes

ok lets go over YOUR arguments : 1."sck a dck" can mean anything - if you are going to use logic, pls use it consistently ( btw you should know chat logs dont give context. this particular reply was to enemy riven player that already used a swear word.) 2. im hard stuck in gold just cos of people not knowing their roles and after the patch the deficiency of knowing BASIC principles is more than obvious and influences the game. 3. why are we NOT opening mid? was AFTER hecarim ragequit ( and they had 4 fed asasins) once again, thank you for replying. "reformed" in riots context seems and feels like 1984 especially when even if you dont fkin say a word, and you have a 'decent' game ( kda is 1 lets say) and their top makes a play : instantly you are to blame and reported. but thank you for being considerate. one more thing: even IF i do mute all so they wont trigger me, they can still report/ban me for NOT COOPERATING with team OR inting, while i wont even have the chance to have a say. it was 25 + minute game and i have TEN ( give or take) sentences said, that cant be toxic even if you did try.

catch you on the rift then... you would not want to be top side opposite me, unless you bring your jungler and mine is afk farming for 15 mins! ;)

Better Jungler1 votes
  1. Suck a dick is pretty straightforward, and please tell me a situation where that isnt flame in league of legends. (IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT RIVEN SAID)
  2. you're hardstuck gold because you're not good enough for platinum, thats what the ranks mean. I'm in the same boat.
  3. Doesnt matter that hecarim fed, if you want to surrender, type in /ff and see if your team agrees. IF THEY DONT, DONT FLAME THEM.

You wont get banned for refusing to communicate, it is literally impossible. If they report you, the system will see that you did nothing wrong, and you wont get banned. This has been proven a million times and Riot has said themselves that as long as you're not assisting the enemy team, you wont get banned for gameplay choices. (Full crit Garen, Full Tank akali etc)

it doesnt matter if it's an Hour and a half long game, if you say something toxic, the system will see that, and mark you for punishment.

You wont "Catch me on the rift" anytime soon. See you in 14 days.

ognomet1 votes

ty for reply. the ban is correct of raging kids, that are supposed to be your team pour out their flame on you rather on the person that left the game. so how do i protect against bully kids ?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

You leave it in Riot's hands to deal with them, and do not engage with them in chat.

Best thing you can do is ignore / mute them, and then report them after the match.

It's not okay to fight with another player, it doesn't matter if they started it. The arguing affects everyone else too, so in flaming back you are contributing to the suffering of the other 3 people on your team.

Sona Ping1 votes

You have had two chat restrictions, correct?

ognomet1 votes

ive had one ... more than 3 months ago. but again, what in my chat is BANABLE? where is my 'mistake'? and how do i be a TEAM player if i dont even get to talk to my team, and ask for help ( and ofc NOT being trashtalked by my team for feeding and inting - when i get camped top?)

Karunamon2 votes

what in my chat is BANABLE?

So the punishment system works on tiers. 10 game chat ban, 25 game chat ban, 14 day ban, perma. If you served a 25 game chat ban, the next step up for ANY toxicity will be a 14 day ban.

It's not about the severity, it's about the repetitiveness of it. Riot tapped you on the shoulder 3 times now and told you that your chat isn't acceptable.

You'll note that the next step on the scale is a permaban. Please take the warning to heart.

Has No Team1 votes

From this chat I doubt it's your first punishment you've received.

Mig891 votes

It is a "robot" banning people

Has No Team3 votes

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It is a "robot" banning people

Well it seems to be doing it's job so keep on Robot !

Xurreal1 votes

They are banning people. It is real people who you have to contact via Support (link is at the bottom of this page) who verify of the ban is justified or was applied in error.

Many of the people who comment in Player Behavior threads about these bans or punishments have been restricted, temporarily banned, or have been permanently banned before (as was in my case).

There are a rare few who get tthese punishments lifted or reduced. When such is the case that we feel an individual has been punished in error, we try to help point them in the right direction.

When it is just, we try to help that individual to understand they deserved escalation to the next tier of punishment (whatever that may be).

In short, humans start and end the process. It's started by the players and completed amd verified by both Riot and other players.

I prefer to keep my personal opinions out of these types of threads, but I will shape mine with you here:

You are not the type of individual who should speak when you go on tilt. You become very aggressive and defensive at the same time. You force others to have to respond to negative comments made by you in chat. You also single other people out which makes for a negative impact on everyone's game. Picture if you could an individual on the enemy team just trying to verify something related to their skill and handling in that game. Now I understand that by tilting your team with your negative behavior, you provided the enemy team with a less-than-desirable game experience. Granted this is not always the case, but you have to understand that in this community, it is governed by its Community. This is a fraternity. By all literal definition of that word, the fraternity of Summoners in League of Legends will protect its best interests.

Other players have judged your coms to be far below the standards of the League of Legends Community. While the vast majority will agree that league is an intense, competitive game, everyone deserves respect on the rift.

You failed to show respect for the games that you have played where you have been reported. This ban is applied because you have continued to show this type of behavior.

ognomet1 votes

i appreciate the comment and the time it took you to write it: since you play the game, you know the environment there : it can get as toxic as it can be, even in my chat log posted you can conclude ( i hope, that i was trying to be constructive: and in the chat when i say 'ok report him, he was ragequit'.

Xurreal2 votes

I understand, completely.

It bugs me to no end. People are not considerate.

Even in this thread, there are folks who will ridicule you after you have achieved the ultimate form of defeat in League of Legends: The Permanent Ban. Going out on a tangent here, Even some of Riot's staff have utterly disappointed me at times.

Tyler1 has anger management issues, and there has been a Rioter who was called out for wishing death and torment on him in a painful and humiliating way (granted that individual was forced to quit or was fired, depending on how you look at it). It goes to show you that people have literally no sympathy towards the defeat and humiliation of another individual at times. But that is because we are all people with different stories.

I personally have anger issues and have gone through some really crappy times in life. But people I know, especially classmates, have described me as a Godly Nice individual (i would refuse such praise often).

Back to my point, i will not walk behind you and twist the knife that has already been placed in your back as others would. I prefer to see you as who you might be rather than who you are based on a moment of lapse. As an individual with anger management issues, I can relate to your feelings of having a game ruined and finally having "enough-is-enough" feelings. One day, I hope that Riot really does consider reforming its policies on punishment as they are often times severe and very final, more so than they should be at times. That they can ban an 8-year old Legacy account on the whim with the reasoning that "You shall never reform" is arbitrary at best, since HELLO! I'm still here on a new account, honor level 5, just suffering the loss of something I held with memorabilia over a few bad outbursts during a time of hardship in my life that will forever haunt me. Sorry, that is not the point of this post.

I sympathize with you. Unfortunately, the decisions made are backed legally by the Terms of Use.

What we have to do is forge the opportunity that one day we can force Riot to wholeheartedly consider that they are perhaps approaching the issue of toxicity the wrong way, perhaps making it worse. From my perspective, the only way to succeed in doing this is to prove that we can, will, and are able to reform and prove them and the system they employ wrong. It is flawed, But we have to make it appear so flawed that they have no choice but to revise the policy on bans.

Perhaps a 1 year ban should be the next step after a 14-Day Ban. People mature. Children grow up into adults. Men and Women make life changing decisions. Perhaps it is not so wrong to believe that an individual can become a whole new person after a year break from League of Legends.

It is a terrible thing to happen to people like us. Putting so much of our energy, emotion, chakra or vital essence into a common goal, only to be told "You are apart the 0.006%" is a toxic action unto itself and does not do anything to promote reform.

It might sound very corny or New Age-ish, but the best thing we can do is help others to beat negative expectations that Reform is impossible.

Did this make sense? I am not the best speaker, but it all comes from the heart.

That 0.006% message almost made me give up on League of Legends. If it did that to me, there's no telling how many other people actually DID give up on it due to a toxic message like that.

If it helps you out, I will share with you what helped me to reform and get this account to Honor level 5 and stay there:

Remember, It is every bit as much THEIR game as it is YOUR game. You cannot and SHOULD not ever try to play someone else's game for them.

  • Playing your own game is already stressful enough that you feel the need to take a break every now and then from grinding out games.
  • When someone else starts flaming or insulting or generally being toxic, LET THEM DO THEM. Your job is to do YOU better than they can do themselves.
  • When someone else starts becoming toxic, they become a toxic timebomb. As you have witnessed first hand, the system is very strict about toxicity to a certain degree. Do not make contact with them. Don't tell them about themselves. Do not mention what makes you feel a certain way in chat. If you do this, you are already infected with their toxicity.
  • Lastly, WE are not JUDGE, JUROR, NOR EXECUTIONER! We do not get paid to talk to toxic people. Riot does. Let THEM do their job. They have guidelines they must follow, and they make a living doing it. You and I on the other hand give voice to the injustice they inflict on your games or on other people. NEVER fail to report toxic behavior. It is YOUR game, too, afterall. The reporting system is the tool they provide us to help them clean up the game.

I type this to you because you have a sense of decency. I do not type this much or put this much effort into everyone. I know you will make good on this, or else I would not do this (it would be a waste of time).

Help me, and others like us, prove that the Policy on Bans needs to change. What is banned is banned, and permanent is everlasting.

Going forward, lets make the road for the Next Generation of League Of Legends Summoners not be so rocky and frustrating as hell.

Sorry for the massive wall of text, but I'm not so great with words that I can say what I want to say in so few.

Good luck out there, and stay awesome, man.

Please, stay awesome.

[sg-ezreal]

Colgate Gator1 votes

Either you're trolling, a psycopath or an idiot, pick your poison.

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