how is this perma ban worthy...it was just a bad game

mean mug yo girl·Dec 22, 2017·5 votes·1,810 views

permaban off 1 bad game? my supprot roamed lvl 3 against malphite support and i got but behind

Game 1 y do i wanna die: hope you guys know how to peel potato y do i wanna die: you dont even shield me wtf are you y do i wanna die: pls tell me youre maxing it first y do i wanna die: k well y do i wanna die: i dont trust u or sej this game so gg y do i wanna die: shield urself y do i wanna die: nice y do i wanna die: so tilt support y do i wanna die: report janna trolling y do i wanna die: auto fill rager y do i wanna die: i cant 1v2 a malphite support when my support roams y do i wanna die: oh well y do i wanna die: funny y do i wanna die: janna left lane and was 2 levels behind when they hit 6 y do i wanna die: oh well y do i wanna die: nah y do i wanna die: he solo me :( y do i wanna die: we can win! y do i wanna die: ? y do i wanna die: ?

86 Comments

ChermorgDec 22, 201710 votes

It would appear that your account recently had a 14 day ban (as in, a few days ago). In that message, it makes explicitly clear that further negative behavior will result in a permanent suspension.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

uhhh. you really think i deserve a permaban for that though? I don't see any hateful remarks in any of those comments there for a mid elo ranked game, someone got auto filled support and decided not to care? why permaban me for asking for shields or not to roam.

ChermorgDec 22, 20179 votes

You're harassing your Janna for playing the game the way they want to. You aren't the boss of your teammates, and you certainly don't get to harass them just because you don't like the way they're playing.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20173 votes

it's a ranked game so what youre saying its ok for janna to gamble everyones game because he's upset he got autofill support and wants to have fun his own way? honestly explain how you can equate my comments to HARASSMENT.....what communication can you even have in this community anymore seriously league of legends isn't a do whatever you want game no matter how much you try to justify it. time and effort is invested and can be ruined by one auto fill rager

ChermorgDec 22, 20177 votes

Janna is allowed to play the game how they want, so long as they support. Just as you are allowed to play the game you want, so long as you play your assigned role. Note that roles are very loosely defined and it's intended that way.
Your chat is harassment as you spend well over 50% of it on multiple occasions to berate Janna or threaten to report them for their behavior. Over 50% of your chat is belittling or abusing Janna just because you didn't like their play style. That's harassment.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

right. what kind of fancy safespace world do you live in? if i were to walk up to you IRL and say hi would you say i've harassed you? this community is so stress inducing in-game and so trigger baiting it's unbelievable, no other game has a community that trigger baits as much as league, you're actually sticking up for someone that '' played however they wanted'' in a ranked game, in order to purposely trigger his teammates so he can report them.

ChermorgDec 22, 201710 votes

If you came up to me on the sidewalk, in public, and said "omg ur walking funny get that funny walking out of my sidewalk hey mr policeman come arrest this guy for walking on the sidewalk", and proceeded to do similarly for 40 minutes, yes, I would consider that harassment.

They played the game. You harassed them. It does not matter why you think he was doing what he was doing. I find it very likely that he was merely trying to play the best game he could and help other lanes. You decided to harass him for that - which is not acceptable.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

who talks like that irl seriously..that was pretty funny, I was more talking about basic human interations, you know. if someone does something to you that you dont appreciate you tell them not to do it again? guess that's too fucking much for no face online interaction. you're right I harassed janna, pretty sure he's still thinking about me right now, shaking at the knees reminiscing the time I told him to shield me or not roam.

ModPeriscopeDec 22, 20174 votes

He seemed to be translating what you said in game into real life.

As in, calling for reports is similar to calling the police.

In your example you used "hi" which isn't similar to anything you said in game.

FullmuteAll playDec 22, 20172 votes

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Janna is allowed to play the game how they want, so long as they support. Just as you are allowed to play the game you want, so long as you play your assigned role. Note that roles are very loosely defined and it's intended that way.

Your chat is harassment as you spend well over 50% of it on multiple occasions to berate Janna or threaten to report them for their behavior. Over 50% of your chat is belittling or abusing Janna just because you didn't like their play style. That's harassment.

Just kinda off-topic question So if Janna leaves the bot forever during lane phase and "shields" ,does other staff on e.g midlane. And midlaner asks her to leave, but Janna stays. Would it be considered trolling and reportable or not ? I am not asking to find a permission to do it, in fact, I wouldn't like it and do it, but I am interested in Riot policy on such cases

kittenCornDec 22, 20172 votes

Then you need to change the game. And you need to not have players depend on each other for a win.

If somebody gets autofilled and decides they don't care, thereby ruining another person's enjoyment of the game, and you punish the person asking the autofilled player to not fuck over their teammate just because previously they may have done something to deserve a 2 week ban?

Unreal.

For as little as mean mug said, if that was a 40 or longer game that's not harassment...

But this is so one sided. As is usual for Rito. Where are the entire chat logs so we can actually give the situation context?

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

I had no choice but to depend on my support for that matchup it was vayne janna vs tristana malphite and she just left bot.

''If somebody gets autofilled and decides they don't care, thereby ruining another person's enjoyment of the game, and you punish the person asking the autofilled player to not fuck their teammate???'' SOMEONE GETS IT

kittenCornDec 22, 20172 votes

If this is the case, then as the adc, if I choose to run into a fight without support and die, my teammates can't tell me not to, or report me for "feeding" because that's the way I CHOOSE to play the game.

Inting is therefore, by your Rito logic, not a reportable offense.

ChermorgDec 22, 20173 votes

If you think you can fight alone, by all means that's your choice. Choosing to fight without your support is not the same thing as intentionally feeding.

ThunderneedleDec 22, 20172 votes

Your support leaves lane.

You ask that your support does not leave lane and starts using Janna shields on the one that gets most value out of it (adc)

Your support refuses, goes to jungle.

You die 1v2.

You are inting??? Wow what fucked up logic

Imperial PandaaDec 22, 20171 votes

That isn't inting either.

ChermorgDec 22, 20171 votes

I am saying that that is not inting.

PrincessMelonssDec 23, 20171 votes

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You're harassing your Janna for playing the game the way they want to. You aren't the boss of your teammates, and you certainly don't get to harass them just because you don't like the way they're playing.

What about the two instances of the guys that played jungle/support singed and nunu and they were banned because of the way they played? Riots official stance is because they "refused to communicate" (even though both of them had paragraphs in champ select explaining exactly what they were going to do). Riot themselves HAVE said we're the boss of our teammates in those cases people reported those guys even in games were they won because they did not enjoy playing with them and guess what? THEY WERE PUNISHED FOR IT.
I'm sure those guys had adcs complain they roamed constantly (apparently considered "harassment" by your standards) and Riot sided with THEM. And, by Riot's standards, wouldn't Janna be refusing to communicate? He expressed he did not want her to roam and she continued to do it but no it's ok because he's playing Janna and not Singed -_-

HethaleanDec 22, 20172 votes

It's not about any singular instance of offense. It's the systematic refusal to improve and behave in a manner that is deemed unacceptable. Other people's behavior do not factor into your punishments. Only yours.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20173 votes

stop reading scripts and explain how I was being offensive enough to warrant a PERMABAN. do you think I ruined that jannas night by asking my support to USE HER SPELLS? that janna is the one who caused stress for that game, I had to ask him to play properly he's plat 5 ranked he shouldn't be playing like that he was purposely trying to throw the game.

HethaleanDec 22, 20172 votes

It's not a script. It's TOS. Escalating penalties do not take into account HOW OFFENSIVE any particular occurrence is. It only cares about the frequency of your penalties. It's clearly spelled out in Riots penalty policy if you want to google that information. However, I'm just telling you that you WILL get permabans without feeling any particular offense is 'OMG this is Hitler reincarnate'.
Real life is the same way in a lot of regards: Not paying child support once? Misdameanor. Not pay it enough? Felony. (trust me, i've lived near quite a few people with felony warrants out for their arrest because of child support) Getting into a drunken bar brawl that you started once? probably drunk tank for a night. Do it once a night 5 nights in a row? Proooobably not drunk tank for a night. 1 Speeding ticket? fine and points off your license. 1 speeding ticket 6 nights in a row? Region depending, you're looking at loosing your license.

Now, looking at all of those, you're going to look at any individual instance and think the end punishment is not worth the individual offense, but that's just how the real world works. Rule enforcers get less and less lenient when your offenses do not improve and their density is enough. Hence, why your toxic behavior (it's there) got you dinged again.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

the TOS is draconian and doesn't fit a trigger baiting community that is league of legends, i literally got trolled asked someone to perform the duties they QUEUE'D FOR, which ended up making him want to troll us more because '' listen bud don't tell me what to do'' that was his mentality just like it's yours and it's so trigger baiting, how can you seriously ask that I don't request my support to do something?

HethaleanDec 22, 20172 votes

Asking your support to do something is not the point, and you know it. This isn't about that, and there is other behavior at play.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

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Asking your support to do something is not the point, and you know it. This isn't about that, and there is other behavior at play.

explain what the point is please I have no idea what you're talking about

HethaleanDec 22, 20172 votes

y do i wanna die: i dont trust u or sej this game so gg (negative / defeatist attitude) y do i wanna die: so tilt support (negative attitude / griefing) y do i wanna die: report janna trolling (asking for reports is against TOS) y do i wanna die: auto fill rager (again negative attitude / griefing)

All of this is usually not awful, unless that's most of what you're saying or you're super into the ban queue

Plus more, but this is just the obvo to people stuff.

Sona PingDec 22, 20171 votes

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uhhh. you really think i deserve a permaban for that though? I don't see any hateful remarks in any of those comments there for a mid elo ranked game, someone got auto filled support and decided not to care? why permaban me for asking for shields or not to roam.

There are agreements in regards to the software. You've seen them all the time and they have terms and conditions like "don't modify and resell it", "use for designed use", "don't export it to embargoed countries" and so forth. You have actually signed one of those, multiple times in fact, to allow you access to this service.

You have a history of signing this agreement to gain access to the service and you also have a history of invalidating it with your choices. You have signed it on the condition of agreeing not to abuse the functionality of the software but despite multiple reminders you have repeatedly and habitually abused the software and invalidated your agreement and in response to your contract violations, Riot has simply asked you to not do that.

After multiple reminders, despite multiple, written messages explicitly asking you to stop, you continued to do so. So you were finally sent a message that the next you do violate the contract that you have signed, they will actually, follow through on their end of the agreement in response to your invalidation of the agreement. Then you abused and violated the agreement, again, and your access was revoked.

Yet you're complaining they are not being reasonable.

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right. what kind of fancy safespace world do you live in?

And now you're bringing up safespaces because your feelings are not being considered more important than contracts in the real world.

mean mug yo girlDec 23, 20171 votes

thats nice and all but this is riot games not some hollywood law firm, I brought up safe spaces because someone tried to tell me that asking my support to perform their support duties was the equivalent to harassment, read the entire forum before you jump to conclusions

Murl0ughDec 23, 20171 votes

You didn't ask. You ordered, very rudely at that.
Stop down playing your side. You yourself typed your chat log into the main post. You didn't simply ask her once to stick close to you. You constantly attacked her through your comments because you didn't like what she was doing. Key Words: constantly, rudely, attacked

You harassed her. Get over it. I don't necessarily agree with the permaban but I don't know the rest of your history. Though if I had to guess, its probably pretty awful since you like to put yourself in the spotlight and downplay your mistakes in a poor attempt at making yourself look like the victim.

mean mug yo girlDec 23, 20171 votes

i attacked ''her'' thats funny

Murl0ughDec 23, 20171 votes

Thats all you can think of to say....ok.

I use her because the player is using janna who is female. Makes it infinitely easier than guessing the player's actually gender or using "they." I hate using "they" to describe a single person.

So you laugh it up that I say "she" because thats quality humor I guess.

mean mug yo girlDec 24, 20171 votes

when you say her it makes it 10x worse, why can't you just refer to the person in question to Janna or Support, so hard or are you baiting pitch forks?

Telephone BoothDec 22, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=mean mug yo girl,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JvKaKz6F,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-22T03:56:00.025+0000)

uhhh. you really think i deserve a permaban for that though? I don't see any hateful remarks in any of those comments there for a mid elo ranked game, someone got auto filled support and decided not to care? why permaban me for asking for shields or not to roam.

What? I don't see you anywhere asking for shields or asking not to roam. Are you thinking of a different game?

mean mug yo girlDec 23, 20171 votes

I communicated via PINGS too

bañDec 22, 20171 votes

wheres the negative behavior in this case?

LostFr0stDec 22, 20173 votes

Were there any previous punishments on the account?

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20171 votes

yes?

LostFr0stDec 22, 20172 votes

That's what made it into a perma instead of a chat restriction then :(

The punishment system escalates every time someone is punished.

One someone reaches 14-day ban, then they are on the last straw before a permaban. By then they have told Riot "I have no intention of stopping the toxic behaviour," so after that anything worthy of a chat restriction or above will trigger a permaban on the account.

It works like this:

https://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers

From Karunamon's post here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5nLVRHWG-a-quick-visual-guide-to-the-reporting-system

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20171 votes

the thing is, I didn't rage at janna I was just asking my support to perform. so just maybe not talk and if my support roams lvl 3 leaving me alone against a malphite support when i'm playing vayne. i'll just accept that and take my loss, me machine me no emotions. this perma was not justified.

LostFr0stDec 22, 20171 votes

The perma wasn't "only" due to that log. That was merely the straw that broke the metaphorical camel's back.

Yes, the above log is "only worth a chat restriction" by itself. I will not disagree there. However, due to the previous 14-day ban it advances one step in the punishment system which happens to be a permaban (see the flowchart above).

I really wish people would come to the boards before a perma. :(

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

that's not even worthy of a chat restriction, are we not allowed to ask our teammates to do something? what the hell man seriously i understand it was after a 14 day ban but still it's almost like it's setup to ban people straight after 14 days just for breathing too aggressive.

HethaleanDec 22, 20172 votes

They only do when they care, and they only care when they feel impacted.

ShaolinToiletDec 22, 20171 votes

It is not worth a chat restriction though. If it is then I should be permabanned on all 4 of my accounts

LostFr0stDec 22, 20171 votes

If its a case as described then usually the player doesn't get reported (thus the game isn't flagged and the player not punished.)

If that kind of chat happens every single game (or near that) then yes, it's worth a chat restriction.

If it is then I should be permabanned on all 4 of my accounts

It would take a decently long time to pile up enough negative chat to reach permaban on all 4 accounts with mildly toxic chat. Do any of the other accounts have punishments yet? (Hopefully not but I'm asking so we can help avoid a possible eventual perma for them).

FegoneDec 22, 20173 votes

If this was your first offense, then no. It should not result in a punishment. However, you were on probation. You just came off a 14 day ban. And yet, you call other players to report someone. Why? Explain why you ask other people to report someone if you can just report that player yourself. I'd really REALLY like to know the answer to that.

Until you answer that question, yes. Very well deserved perma ban. Stop crying, deal with it.

Telephone BoothDec 22, 20172 votes

It's not a question of permaban worthy, it's a question of punishment worthy. You already had a 14 day ban, so permaban is just the next tier of punishment that you recieve, regardless of the offense.

You were minorly toxic... not that bad. And given the situation, I don't really blame ya. I don't think I would punish for this, but I definitely hate having whiney allies like you. Did chat solve the problem? No. Why would you expect it to? Yet you still take to chat to complain and risk your account. Not smart. But you're not a toxic asshole that needs to be banished from the community.

Winek ChanDec 22, 20172 votes

You had warning before, a 14 days ban. And well you've continued harassing people by calling them trolls.

But ngl that doesn't look very toxic.

KVbqbFsC8eDec 22, 20171 votes

"just a bad game" only counts when you are feeding.

mean mug yo girlDec 22, 20172 votes

my support roamed level 3 and i was left alone against a tristana malphite botlane... i ended up 0/8 which obviously helped the perma ban go through

KVbqbFsC8eDec 22, 20172 votes

Believe it or not, going 0/8 had virtually nothing to do with you being banned. Thats where the "just a bad game" comes into play. You were banned solely because of chat.

mean mug yo girlDec 23, 20171 votes

permaban though?