My 2 week ban + "unstable account" is completely undeserved

Misha Eats·Aug 1, 2019·6 votes·3,920 views

THE VIDEO EXPLAINS THIS IN MORE DETAIL ________________________----

I'm Misha Eats Ass.

I'm a challenger/gm player that got a 2 week ban last night for " hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches ". The ban is completely ridiculous, and I believe the riot employee had not looked deep enough into the situation to properly review the report. Disregarding the fact that he over exaggerated stating there were "matches" when the case was literally based off of one game anyways - here's a video I made explaining why the ban is not deserved.

Here are the facts:

I haven't been punished by the system in over 2 years (not even chat restrict)

I was almost honour level 5, which means I was getting lots of honours so far this season

I intentionally fed one death, and the rest of my deaths were misplays/me not sweating out to try my hardest. As you'll see, I point out 2 other players making the EXACT same level of mistakes (not regarding my int), and the types of plays that happen are plays that happen in almost EVERY single masters+ game, so me " hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches " is nonsense.

I basically received a 2 week ban over 1 death where I ran it down, and it was only because I typed something in all chat. The enemy janna and yassuo end up making the exxxxxact same level of stupid play (again, this type of play is super common in higher elo). So to reiterate, I was banned for TYPING in all chat something that could be considered connected to my death, and the Riot employee deemed that I was " hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches". I explain in the video why this is ridiculous

In fact, the Riot support person says I made 2 plays which they deemed were" not poor decision making but rather a behavior to grief your teammates."

Both of those plays I end up reviewing the video, and neither of them are a behaviour to grief my team.. both of the plays are ALSO not poor decisions. One was literally a 1 for 1 (where the enemy team had to retreat! The play was legit fine!!?), and with the other, there was no risk of me dying so I end up just dishing out some damage to the enemy Janna.

Although I do feel I deserve some punishment, I do not agree at all with an instant 2 week ban at all. This was a quick ban that a single Riot employee thought I deserved, and I feel like this is an abuse of his powers. I'd also like higher elo to be rid of troll things like people running it down mid, and toxicity in team/all chat, but this ban is egregious. If you check the chat logs from the game, you will see that I was being super positive as I usually am, before the 1 death! The plays I was making are average masters+ plays, and my history with ToS 2 years PRIOR to the game show that I am a well behaved player - and even regarding the specific game at hand, I was being super positive for the first 19minutes of the game to my teammates trying to tell them to keep trying and that we can win so they shouldn't flame.

I'm still in disbelief that I was banned, and was initially so lost that I thought I was banned for wintrading when he said "hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches", so I got excited because I knew I could prove I wasn't wintrading...

Anyways please give me your opinion, as I'd like either

Please review this case. Check the video, I give some biased opinions but all of the information connected to this case is in the video. All of it, including a VOD from the enemy player Yassuo because the game VOD was unavailable after a new patch was released.

89 Comments

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 201917 votes

My opinion? I don't want to listen to you talk for FORTY-EIGHT MINUTES about why you feel you deserve special treatment.

I intentionally fed one death

That's still intentionally feeding. You are allowed to intentionally feed ZERO deaths. Think about how you want this to go once your punishment is up, because you're going to lose your account if you int again.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20193 votes

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My opinion? I don't want to listen to you talk for FORTY-EIGHT MINUTES about why you feel you deserve special treatment.

That's still intentionally feeding. You are allowed to intentionally feed ZERO deaths. Think about how you want this to go once your punishment is up, because you're going to lose your account if you int again.

By the way I didn't get banned for the one toxic thing I've done in years, I got banned because the Riot support thought 2 plays I did were troll.

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 20196 votes

No, you got banned for goddamn inting, and then when you reviewed it with them they gave you that additional explanation.

Either way, you admitted to intentionally feeding.

You aren't going to gain a single fucking ounce of sympathy from anyone here with that.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20193 votes

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No, you got banned for goddamn inting, and then when you reviewed it with them they gave you that additional explanation.

Either way, you admitted to intentionally feeding.

You aren't going to gain a single fucking ounce of sympathy from anyone here with that.

FIrst parts not correct, second part is correct and 1 int death still doesn't warrant a 2 week ban with an "unstable account" after years of positive behaviour IMO. Also I point out how my play is the same level of int that 2 other players make in the game.

I'll be waiting for a riot support person to reply to this post because you seem to just be looking for reasons to say I deserve a ban. I noticed all the posts in this forum have a million downvotes but thats okay, I just want this to be reviewed because it's ridiculous. Thank you for the comment

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 20195 votes

1 int death still doesn't warrant a 2 week ban

Yes it does, because those are the fucking rules.

I'll be waiting for a riot support person to reply to this post because you seem to just be looking for reasons to say I deserve a ban.

A Rioter is not going to come here and magically decide that you deserve to be rewarded for intentional feeding.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20193 votes

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Yes it does, because those are the fucking rules.

A Rioter is not going to come here and magically decide that you deserve to be rewarded for intentional feeding.

Not magically but they will review the case because if it's shown that the ban was a mistake, I believe they'd gladly unban me as they certainly don't want to dish out undeserved punishments. It's Riot Games, not an indie phone company. They do care about their player base - contrary to seemingly* popular belief

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 20192 votes

they will review the case because if it's shown that the ban was a mistake

Riot support reviewed your case. You were not unbanned.

They do care about their player base

Absolutely, and in this case, they're displaying that they care about the rest of us who don't intentionally feed.

Imperial PandaaAug 1, 20199 votes

I intentionally fed one death

Enough said. You inted a death, which is really all it takes for an intentional feeding ban. You got a 14 day because that is the first step for said infraction.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:40:16.188+0000)

Enough said. You inted a death, which is really all it takes for an intentional feeding ban. You got a 14 day because that is the first step for said infraction.

I wasn't banned for the int death

Imperial PandaaAug 1, 20193 votes

" hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches ".

Gameplay offense. Inting is a gameplay offense that compromises teammate's matches.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T19:08:44.054+0000)

Gameplay offense. Inting is a gameplay offense that compromises teammate's matches.

The issue is I was banned for 2 plays that the Riot support deemed to be hurting the competitive integrity of the match. Not the int.

It would be reasonable to review the case because the initial reason I prove to be invalid. Being banned for inting one DEATH not even game (helping win the game actually) after years of not being a toxic player will stand much better on my account if I make it far in SG solos or teams.

SuicidePlankAug 1, 20194 votes

So inting one death is not inting? Because you died with intent, it isn't about quantity, but about dying on purpose. You did it, you got punished for it, grow up and accept it.

Kei143Aug 2, 20192 votes

You can request for another manual review of the punishment in your support ticket.

Riot support rarely comes here. In fact, you'll get better luck on reddit than here.

Misha EatsAug 2, 20191 votes

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You can request for another manual review of the punishment in your support ticket.

Riot support rarely comes here. In fact, you'll get better luck on reddit than here.

reddit keeps deleting my posts and tells me to contact riot support here :) also they "reviewed" my case again and determined that 1 int is 1 int too many! so basically, "we banned you wrongfully, but u said u intd 1 death so heres same punishment for different crime ^ ^". They banned me for poor gameplay LOLLL :) ban half of high elo instantly please for equality thanks

Imperial PandaaAug 2, 20192 votes

Again, not for poor gameplay. You admit to inting 1 death. Inting is not simply poor gameplay.

ModThe DjinnAug 1, 20198 votes

I basically received a 2 week ban over 1 death where I ran it down...

Intentionally feeding (of any quantity) is a zero tolerance offense, subject to an immediate 14-day ban when identified. Whether it's 1 death or 100, it's punishable. So yes, this is the expected outcome here.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:42:49.174+0000)

Intentionally feeding (of any quantity) is a zero tolerance offense, subject to an immediate 14-day ban when identified. Whether it's 1 death or 100, it's punishable. So yes, this is the expected outcome here.

I wasn't banned for the one int death.

ModThe DjinnAug 1, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:43:27.766+0000)I wasn't banned for the one int death.

But that behavior exists, so the ban would remain even if the other reason is not accurate. The equivalent might be "I wasn't speeding, officer -- I was just drunk."

Misha EatsAug 1, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:46:13.822+0000)

But that behavior exists, so the ban would remain even if the other reason is not accurate.

ModThe DjinnAug 1, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:48:38.271+0000)...because you seem to just be looking for reasons to say I deserve a ban.

I'm not, actually. I'm simply conveying the rules to you, which are that intentionally feeding even 1 death merits a 14-day ban. If you admit to intentionally feeding a death (which you have), then, as per the system, a 14-day ban is appropriate. My own thoughts/feelings don't enter into it.

AeroWaffleAug 1, 20196 votes

There is no middle ground of how much intentional feeding you're allowed to do. The system may not catch all intentional feeders, but any amount of intentional feeding is against the rules. As a challenger/gm player you know that intentional feeding is against the rules, so what point would a warning serve? You already knew not to do that before you intentionally feed.

Doing just a little intentional feeding nets you the same punishment. The first game-related form of punishment is 14-day ban.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20194 votes

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There is no middle ground of how much intentional feeding you're allowed to do. The system may not catch all intentional feeders, but any amount of intentional feeding is against the rules. As a challenger/gm player you know that intentional feeding is against the rules, so what point would a warning serve? You already knew not to do that before you intentionally feed.

Doing just a little intentional feeding nets you the same punishment. The first game-related form of punishment is 14-day ban.

I was not banned for the one int death, because it looked like a normal bad play

AeroWaffleAug 1, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:44:07.773+0000)

I was not banned for the one int death, because it looked like a normal bad play

But you're here right now, stating for everyone to see that you intentionally fed. That alone legitimizes the reason they gave you,

"hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches"

Misha EatsAug 1, 20194 votes

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But you're here right now, stating for everyone to see that you intentionally fed. That alone legitimizes the reason they gave you,

"hurting the competitive integrity of your teammate's matches"

AeroWaffleAug 1, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T18:49:04.363+0000)

I'll be waiting for a riot support person to reply to this post because you seem to just be looking for reasons to say I deserve a ban. I noticed all the posts in this forum have a million downvotes but thats okay, I just want this to be reviewed because it's ridiculous. Thank you for the comment

Thank you for still staying reasonable despite getting a punishment and people disagreeing with you over your opinion. It's refreshing to see in this section of the boards.

AladoronAug 2, 20192 votes

Nobody is looking for reasons, you gave the reason in the post yourself.

rujitraAug 1, 20193 votes

Intentional feeding is not okay if you try to hide it.

In fact, I highly doubt this is the first time you've done this. It's just the first time Riot has had enough evidence to punish you.

Stop trying to break the rules without getting caught.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20193 votes

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Intentional feeding is not okay if you try to hide it.

In fact, I highly doubt this is the first time you've done this. It's just the first time Riot has had enough evidence to punish you.

Stop trying to break the rules without getting caught.

Didn't try to hide the int feed at all, and why do you highly doubt it?

A lot of you come on this forum pre-emptively wanting to accuse people of being in the wrong. Thank you for the comment

rujitraAug 1, 20193 votes

I was not banned for the one int death, because it looked like a normal bad play

You admitted it "looked like a bad play". You intentionally tried to make it look ambiguous to avoid punishment.

I highly doubt it because you have been arguing semantics in this thread. You have not provided a single comment that suggests you understand the rules surrounding intentional feeding, and you've attempted to divert attention away from it as often as possible.

The conversation/debate tactics that you are using, even if you do not realize it yourself, are very indicative of someone who knows more than they are letting on. It is clear that you understand that intentional feeding is inappropriate, that you understand the primary ways the system attempts to detect it, and thus you have attempted to grief your team in ways that just look like bad plays to avoid the system.

You finally got caught. That is why they told you it was "competitive integrity", not intentional feeding. You weren't banned for the one intentional death in this game. You were banned because Riot gathered evidence over multiple of your games that proves you were intentionally griefing, wintrading, or kill trading. This one death was simply one example of it. Nobody on the boards is going to spend hours watching replays of your games to identify all the times you've done this sort of thing.

Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.

ShawkeekeeAug 1, 20196 votes

As a consistent viewer of Misha's he always tries his hardest to win games, even the games where I think -from an analytical POV- are impossible to win; he refuses to give up on. He's not the type to flame or blame his team either or else I would have unfollowed him a long time ago. The only person he is hard on is himself, if he says he intentionally fed 1 kill over it's because he was caught in a situation where he knew he was going to die whether he ran or committed to getting off dmg before that death. Which has more 'competitive integrity' than AFKing under tower and waiting to be 3 man dived.

TBH, I'm more worried about the 'mental integrity' of some of the commenters in here thinking that Riot has never made a mistake and that everyone who tries to appeal a ban are hiding something else? Like they aren't even going to consider the fact that a disgruntled player or embittered employee is abusing their quote on quote power to justify a ban over some lossed LP as if it has a monetary value.

Maybe if this thread gets enough attention a Rioter will show up on here and shed some light on this issue, and ~~expose~~ or make things transparent (they like to use that word a lot, but rarely display it) instead of stalling on a support ticket. But what is probably going to happen is they'll end up spinning this to "inappropriate name" to save face.

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GatekeeperTDSAug 2, 20195 votes

I'm more worried about the 'mental integrity' of some of the commenters in here thinking that Riot has never made a mistake

He. Admitted. To. Intentionally. Feeding.

What more is there to this?

ShawkeekeeAug 2, 20194 votes

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Telephone BoothAug 2, 20195 votes

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He admitted to going in on a bad engage? If that is INTing then the majority of NA would have a 14 ban as well, and obviously there is more to this or you wouldn't be here 25+ replies later trying to Scarlet Letter him.

So tell me, were you in his game? Did he bang your GF? What exactly is your obsession with this particular player?

Please spill the tea momma.

No he literally said "i inted one death by running it down" (paraphrasing) did you even read his post? Im not judging him at all like you are, im just going by his own story where he admits to it. I dont know anything about the guy. Youre letting your bias affect your judgement. Just judge the specific case, not him as a player. Be objective in these matters.

Misha EatsAug 2, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=000a000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-02T03:15:29.346+0000)

No he literally said "i inted one death by running it down" (paraphrasing) did you even read his post? Im not judging him at all like you are, im just going by his own story where he admits to it. I dont know anything about the guy. Youre letting your bias affect your judgement. Just judge the specific case, not him as a player. Be objective in these matters.

see the issue is that im banned not for the int that I admitted to because it was less of a deal than what they banned me for, but rather for poor gameplay according to the riot support :)

ShawkeekeeAug 2, 20194 votes

No he literally said "i inted one death by running it down" (paraphrasing) did you even read his post? Im not judging him at all like you are, im just going by his own story where he admits to it. I dont know anything about the guy. Youre letting your bias affect your judgement. Just judge the specific case, not him as a player. Be objective in these matters.

Biased? You have 2 people in here who are speaking as one person rage negging/downvoting any comments who don't resemble their own point of view. Twisting words or taking a foreigners words out of context, he's serbian btw. He has always said that when he makes a mistake he has 'soft inted', because that is what he has learned to say from the culture and the ppl he hangs around. It's a figure of speech. If I say I hara-kiried myself in lane, does that mean I literally slit my guts over my lane commited suicide? No it just means I made a boosted play and died for it.

If you want to talk biased you can direct that toward Moe's fangirls who have decided to personally attack his character over this. He had a bad game... _THAT HE WON BTW _ in that type of elo if one person gives up there is no way in hell they win a 4v5. And you aren't even willing to entertain the idea that a player with an inflated ego who has connections with Riot was so pissed off that someone who got smashed in lane ended up destroying their team anyway.

That's not biased honey, that's just plain being outmarco'd. But that's too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some people.

(TPFufun)

FebosAug 1, 20191 votes

Chat logs.

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 20193 votes

It wasn't a chat-based punishment.

FebosAug 1, 20191 votes

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It wasn't a chat-based punishment.

Chat logs still exist. I want to see those.

GatekeeperTDSAug 1, 20193 votes

You don't get chat logs on the reform card for gameplay offenses. Where would you like him to get the chat logs?

FebosAug 1, 20191 votes

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You don't get chat logs on the reform card for gameplay offenses.

You do. The reform card must include at least 1 game and it always has the chat log attached to it, even if you didn't say anything:

https://i.imgur.com/IuwHLVH.png[] ######Nubrac's ban btw

Misha EatsAug 1, 20195 votes

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You do. The reform card must include at least 1 game and it always has the chat log attached to it, even if you didn't say anything:

https://i.imgur.com/IuwHLVH.png[] ######Nubrac's ban btw

nah didnt receive any because the punishment wasnt off the chat at all, I'm telling you the ban wasn't looked into too thoroughly

FebosAug 1, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T20:03:27.963+0000)

nah didnt receive any because the punishment wasnt off the chat at all, I'm telling you the ban wasn't looked into too thoroughly

You didn't receive a reform card or that reform card didn't have chat attached to it? If it was the first case, you should speak with Riot Support again. They must give you a reform card with the game that got you punished.

I looked at that game's match history. I recognize at least one name from that match. It may have something to do with your punishment.

I don't have the VOD, but something is suspicious with your deaths. You died twice before 15 minutes. After 15 minutes, you died the other 8. Right after the 18 minute mark, you died 6 times in a span of 6 minutes. That's 1 death per minute. Truth be told you died at major events: defending your base while your team pushed, Baron and Dragon fights. Because I don't have the VOD, I can't tell if this was intentional or not.

The way I see it, it doesn't look like inting. I don't care if you admit to intentional feeding here, on the boards. People thrown the "I'm inting" expression around all the time. You dealt more damage than everyone on the enemy team, except Yasuo. If you were inting, that wouldn't happen. You didn't farm a whole lot, but that can be for many reason, for example your team taking your CS or you giving it up to them. As I said above, the only thing I identify as suspicious is the frequency of your deaths in that span of time I mentioned.

Because of all this, I would give you the benefit of doubt. I looked at your other games and I don't see a pattern. Albeit one game is enough for a temporary suspension, it surely doesn't look like a deserved punishment to me.

What I do care is about facts and logic. Unlike other people in this discussion, I actually put in the time to understand your case. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing, but I think you should appeal again. It feels like you're being judged because of something else.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20195 votes

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You didn't receive a reform card or that reform card didn't have chat attached to it? If it was the first case, you should speak with Riot Support again. They must give you a reform card with the game that got you punished.

I looked at that game's match history. I recognize at least one name from that match. It may have something to do with your punishment.

I don't have the VOD, but something is suspicious with your deaths. You died twice before 15 minutes. After 15 minutes, you died the other 8. Right after the 18 minute mark, you died 6 times in a span of 6 minutes. That's 1 death per minute. Truth be told you died at major events: defending your base while your team pushed, Baron and Dragon fights. Because I don't have the VOD, I can't tell if this was intentional or not.

The way I see it, it doesn't look like inting. I don't care if you admit to intentional feeding here, on the boards. People thrown the "I'm inting" expression around all the time. You dealt more damage than everyone on the enemy team, except Yasuo. If you were inting, that wouldn't happen. You didn't farm a whole lot, but that can be for many reason, for example your team taking your CS or you giving it up to them. As I said above, the only thing I identify as suspicious is the frequency of your deaths in that span of time I mentioned.

Because of all this, I would give you the benefit of doubt. I looked at your other games and I don't see a pattern. Albeit one game is enough for a temporary suspension, it surely doesn't look like a deserved punishment to me.

What I do care is about facts and logic. Unlike other people in this discussion, I actually put in the time to understand your case. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing, but I think you should appeal again. It feels like you're being judged because of something else.

Thank you for taking a more thorough look into the ban because it doesn't seem like anyone else has so far. If someone wrote this much with data pertaining to the case then I'd care about it, whether it was good or bad for my case to get unbanned.

I reviewed Yassuo's VOD because he was streaming that game, to show every single play visible from me. As you know, inting would mean that I'm dying to the enemy team - so you see every single play that would be considered for this ban to be appropriate. If you're interested in seeing it, check the video out and skip through to see the plays.

If there is something else that is adding on to this ban (previous toxic behaviour), then I'd like to see the reports of it, and I'd be more understanding of the punishment.

Again, thank you for looking more into the case and giving a nice response. I appreciate it

FebosAug 1, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:01:59.310+0000)

I reviewed Yassuo's VOD because he was streaming that game

I saw it right now. Some plays were questionable, but bad plays happen all the time, in all MMR levels. What I also saw was your chat. That chat can be enough for a chat restriction.

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:01:59.310+0000)

If there is something else that is adding on to this ban (previous toxic behaviour), then I'd like to see the reports of it, and I'd be more understanding of the punishment.

I knew something was fishy. When I saw Yasuo saying "akali is wintrading" it all made sense. The Support specialist told you you were not banned because of inting and, instead, because of something different. You were banned for hurting the competitive integrity. You promptly realized he was probably talking about win-trading, to which he responded with "We prefer to call it that" and followed it up with "you were griefing".

That is the reason. You were banned because someone judged you as a troll. In all honesty, it doesn't look like troll behaviour to me. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. In this case, it looks like you were punished for, allegedly, win-trading.

I mentioned your chat earlier. In there you said some things that would support the win-trading accusation, like "we tried our best", "bg", "yasou please penta Im trying to be on youtube" and "CMON yasuo", to name a few. To me, this looks like pure banter. I've seen Tyler1 say stuff like "I'm inting" and "I'm trolling" when he made a bad play. This doesn't mean he was actually doing it on purpose. In your case, you're just saying it to be annoying. This is the part where a chat restriction could come in*, not a 2 week suspension.

######*Even a chat restriction is stretching a bit. Without past history, this wouldn't amount to anything.

[{quoted}](name=Misha Eats Ass,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JZ2Xfovd,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T22:01:59.310+0000)

Again, thank you for looking more into the case and giving a nice response. I appreciate it

I went into this assuming the punishment was deserved, but it's only after seeing the whole thing that I can be sure.

I don't have power at Riot, but if it was up to me to decide, I would revert the punishment, based on what I know so far. As I said in the other comment, I would let this pass as "reasonable doubt". If your account doesn't have bad history, then there's no reason to punish you over something this... dubious.

All that said, I don't have access to the full chat log. I can't see what you said to your team. I can only see what you showed us. If you're not hiding something, then you need to be very careful from now on. * (this is the part when we put on our tinfoil hats) * It feels like someone with power has a "vendetta" against you. Everything you say and do will be looked at with extreme scrutiny.

I wish you good luck with your appeal. You should create a new ticket btw. Just a friendly advise.

Misha EatsAug 1, 20195 votes

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I saw it right now. Some plays were questionable, but bad plays happen all the time, in all MMR levels. What I also saw was your chat. That chat can be enough for a chat restriction.

I knew something was fishy. When I saw Yasuo saying "akali is wintrading" it all made sense. The Support specialist told you you were not banned because of inting and, instead, because of something different. You were banned for hurting the competitive integrity. You promptly realized he was probably talking about win-trading, to which he responded with "We prefer to call it that" and followed it up with "you were griefing".

That is the reason. You were banned because someone judged you as a troll. In all honesty, it doesn't look like troll behaviour to me. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. In this case, it looks like you were punished for, allegedly, win-trading.

I mentioned your chat earlier. In there you said some things that would support the win-trading accusation, like "we tried our best", "bg", "yasou please penta Im trying to be on youtube" and "CMON yasuo", to name a few. To me, this looks like pure banter. I've seen Tyler1 say stuff like "I'm inting" and "I'm trolling" when he made a bad play. This doesn't mean he was actually doing it on purpose. In your case, you're just saying it to be annoying. This is the part where a chat restriction could come in*, not a 2 week suspension.

######*Even a chat restriction is stretching a bit. Without past history, this wouldn't amount to anything.

I went into this assuming the punishment was deserved, but it's only after seeing the whole thing that I can be sure.

I don't have power at Riot, but if it was up to me to decide, I would revert the punishment, based on what I know so far. As I said in the other comment, I would let this pass as "reasonable doubt". If your account doesn't have bad history, then there's no reason to punish you over something this... dubious.

All that said, I don't have access to the full chat log. I can't see what you said to your team. I can only see what you showed us. If you're not hiding something, then you need to be very careful from now on. * (this is the part when we put on our tinfoil hats) * It feels like someone with power has a "vendetta" against you. Everything you say and do will be looked at with extreme scrutiny.

I wish you good luck with your appeal. You should create a new ticket btw. Just a friendly advise.

I promise you I will respond to this when it gets reviewed, and I'll tell you what is said. Whether it's good or bad. I was being honest about the int because even if the everything about this situation was revealed, I'd be fine with it.

Thank you for looking into this and I'm hoping that the "someone with a vendetta" isn't true, and I have the exact same opinion as you about it. I'd be a-ok with a 2 week chat restriction even though you don't think it would be deserved given the history of my account (if I'm being truthful). High elo IS a special place for reports, as much as some people in this forum might not like to believe it. You can type crazy things in all chat that would be considered bannable in lower elos because it's recognized as banter or whatever. I'm just guessing here but I think you're allowed to have a personality because it's easier for riot to moderate the activity and it's fun for streams. Just a guess tho

Misha EatsAug 2, 20191 votes

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I promise you I will respond to this when it gets reviewed, and I'll tell you what is said. Whether it's good or bad. I was being honest about the int because even if the everything about this situation was revealed, I'd be fine with it.

Thank you for looking into this and I'm hoping that the "someone with a vendetta" isn't true, and I have the exact same opinion as you about it. I'd be a-ok with a 2 week chat restriction even though you don't think it would be deserved given the history of my account (if I'm being truthful). High elo IS a special place for reports, as much as some people in this forum might not like to believe it. You can type crazy things in all chat that would be considered bannable in lower elos because it's recognized as banter or whatever. I'm just guessing here but I think you're allowed to have a personality because it's easier for riot to moderate the activity and it's fun for streams. Just a guess tho

"I'm going to level and be 100 percent with you. I watched your video in its entirety and honestly it seems like there are a number of misconceptions. The first thing I'll say is that you admitted multiple times in the video to inting one time and trolling 2 or 3 times. This behavior isn't ok. For us, intentionally feeding even one time is one time too many. It ruins the game and isn't fun for anyone involved. I get that you were dealing with negative Summoners and that frustrated you, but how you respond to negativity is important and if you respond in a negative way, your account can be penalized as well.

Like I mentioned before, intentionally feeding 1 time, is 1 time too many. When it comes to inting, the penalty for a first time int, is a 2 week suspension because of how seriously we take this. If the intentional feeding continues, then more serious penalties are placed on the account.

You mentioned multiple times as well that you felt that the decision to uphold the ban was personal. It was not. I want to be very clear here, we are upholding the inting suspension because you ran it down, because you admitted on video that you ran it down, and because inting isn't ok and we take it seriously.

I know this isn't what you were hoping to hear, but this is our definitive answer on this issue. I did review this with my team and we and we are aligned on this penalty.

So again, if you have other questions not related to this penalty I'd be happy to answer them, if not though I'll have to close out this ticket soon."

So basically, we banned you for what our gold riot support deemed to be poor gameplay, and we're going to keep you banned for int and act as if we banned you for int :) It's okay, they don't wanna be wrong. Riot Lyte vibes

FebosAug 5, 20191 votes

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because you admitted on video

This was your biggest mistake. You should never have "admitted" anything on video. They will keep holding that against you.

The hypocrisy/double standard is high on this one. I've seen players like Imaqtpie, Tyler1, NightBlue3, IWDM, Shiphtur, etc (basically any popular streamer) say something along the lines of "I inted that kill", "I run it down there" or "I'm trolling". Why were them not punished for that too? Because the punishment wouldn't make sense.

My point is simple. Suppose I make a bad decision and die as a result of that. Then I say in chat "I just inted". By Riot's logic, I should be punished for it, because "inting 1 time is 1 time too many". The problem is I didn't actually int, but I "admitted" in chat I did.

My advice for you is to stop using that expression and never admit to doing it. Clearly Riot will hold some us accountable if we do.

Imperial PandaaAug 1, 20192 votes

Where does that say it included chat logs? It is a reform card, that contains a link to the game that trigger the gameplay punishment.