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Position Stealing in Ranked

TrollingSince99·2/3/2019, 2:41:26 PM·33 votes·14,414 views

A day ago, a player first banned the champ I hovered on in champ select and then instalocked eve with smite trying to steal my role as jg. He did not type in chat from champ select all the way to post game lobby. I just went double jg and in the end we won the game. The new ranked system identified me as support and gave me a warning that more position swapping would remove positional matchmaking for me. So when a player trolls me in champ select by banning my champ and stealing my role, I get further punished by the ranked system by not getting lp for the role I want and a warning for position swapping. I just do not see how this should be allowed. So I submitted a ticket to riot which was first treated to directly which gave me a troubleshooting guide for connection issues, and then redirect me back to riot support for a rioter response. The response basically treated this as a report on the eve saying that he will look into this but cannot comment due to account privacy. But the issue is not the eve. League community has quite a number of trolls. I get instalock, position steals all the time in normals. Ive only played 5 games in ranked and it happened once. That is 20% so far. My question is how the system does not fix this? This is clearly an abusive case of positional matchmaking. At least, it ruins the ranked experience for me. So I replied back to the support ticket, with the rioter response: "stealing roles is not allowed, no. That is why I am looking into that player, after all! But sadly we don't have a system in place to stop trolling or role stealing until after the game is already over, and I agree that sucks and I hope we can have more options for especially if player are abusing positional ranks. [...] We can't send your feedback directly to the devs, so I think posting on the boards will benefit from more eyes seeing it [...] Thanks for taking time to write about this behavior. I sadly cant change which position you earn or lose lp for though..." So from my understanding, this is still treated as a report on the player which I specifically said was not my problem. I just have 2 questions: 1) how is position swapping determined? I took smite and took jg camps. I did occasionally pushed waves but for some reason it identified me as support. 2) how can riot fix this position swapping issue? In old ranked, you get lp no matter what. You just report it and move on. Only downside: you feel bad for about 30min. Now, when your position gets stolen, not only do you feel bad, you get further punished by the system for not giving you lp on the position you want and tighter links between positions...

28 Comments

Saezio2/3/2019, 3:11:26 PM20 votes

There is a very easy way to identify this. Make swapping positions official, so at the beginning people can ask others for their positions, if it is declined the system expects them to play their assigned role. If they are judged to not have played that role, ban them. Sounds pretty ez to me. Also, make smite only available to the one assigned jg. And remove it if they chose to swap positions with someone

rujitra2/3/2019, 2:51:53 PM4 votes

I would put that in a bug report section here cause it sure sounds like that's unintended.

BradNo2/3/2019, 9:15:51 PM3 votes

There is Riot's system. Working as intended.

Naramiel2/3/2019, 3:14:59 PM3 votes

It's always puzzled me that stealing positions isn't a reportable category. I honestly don't know how the entire role assignment system is supposed to work when Riot has no system for enforcement.

Inkling Commando2/4/2019, 8:44:06 AM2 votes

and yet another reason i won't do the ranked crap. with my play style even the system would go "fuck you"

Kei1432/3/2019, 3:04:25 PM2 votes

Technically speaking, NA and KR are part of the test regions for this new system. So it's bound that we'll get some bugs, especially for the fringe cases.

In your case, you report it as a bug so the developers can improve on their coding and detection.

One thing to note, since you are new to ranked, it is possible that you get autofilled into support without yourself realizing. So make sure to double check you are assigned to jungle when you play.

hrooza dota 2/3/2019, 6:58:11 PM1 votes

i would send a support ticket for that case

Abramagician2/4/2019, 5:12:27 AM1 votes

Happened to me as well recently... a jungler stole mid from me... we lost lol

14daysuspensionk2/4/2019, 8:17:25 AM1 votes

It has happened to me a few times in draft pick, it's scarily tilting and common in blind pick.

xDogMeatx2/4/2019, 6:44:57 PM1 votes

hey dont sweat it at least its not your main position thats being lp dropped.

AntiSJW2/4/2019, 11:04:55 PM1 votes

Good post

If you keep having these experiences keep sharing them and keep filing support tickets after games.

Awf Meta2/3/2019, 6:02:09 PM1 votes

Bummer.

Well, there are ways Riot could solve this problem. The most promising one I think is heat maps. With heat maps, it probably would have given both of you jungle credit.

I think there is a thread Riot created in dev corner about the new system. Can't hurt to try there either.

Fighter Ignite12/5/2019, 12:47:41 AM1 votes

What it should do is look at champ select who see who got the jg role first. That way it can identify that you got jg role and he got support and tried to double jg.

ArvDaBeast2/3/2019, 6:49:13 PM1 votes

Send a ticket to riot through support site. Tell them the game, your story, and they will check whether eve was assigned jgl or not, and whether or not there was a switch in chat. She will most likely get banned because an actual rioter looks into the case