[Warning] This is all it takes

Skreame·Sep 4, 2019·1 votes·2,276 views

Game 1 In-Game Skreame: calm down Skreame: what are you scar3ed for Skreame: ??????????? Skreame: dont come bot if you dont want to fight Skreame: you need to run away when they want to fight unless you poked them down first they have exauhst and ignite Skreame: ???????????????? Skreame: are you dumb? Skreame: you just saw here Skreame: why did you sit there Skreame: omg Skreame: one game Skreame: just one game i want a good team Skreame: u died 3 times in 8 mins Skreame: my god man Skreame: hes helping top Skreame: like he should Skreame: caus ur bad jinx Skreame: why would he gank a lane where ur inting your ass off Skreame: 150 games silver 1 jinx Skreame: nice bro Skreame: jinx ints 3 times in 7 mins but im the troll Skreame: maybe you should mute all at the start so you arent silver for 160 more games Skreame: ahri is here Skreame: imagine dying to nasus who was 6 deaths trinity force Skreame: eve is near here Skreame: this jinx Skreame: whos trolling again Skreame: "what do you even get out of trolling your team" oh the irony jinx Skreame: that's called projection Post-Game Skreame: 2k dmg jinx Skreame: that's gottta be a new one Skreame: lol Skreame: i "took" your farm when you're not even there

Now I'm not trying to justify what I said or imply that it's not a punishable offense. I just want to notify you all that simply one game with 30~ messages all game is enough to lose all your honor that you built up over hundreds of games.

I'll provide as little context as possible except the eventful actions throughout to avoid making it look like a pity post, but basically I supported a laner who tilted, mass-pinged, complained, and finally grief our game by going mid to take cs and ruin it for both lanes and proceed the rest of the game to splitpush and then being killed until the game was over. They self-admittedly trolled and tilted, because I "took their farm" while they were dead. I guarantee that they avoided any punishment, while avoiding the list of trigger words or terms that are "offenses" used to determine things here.

We are responsible for our actions and how we respond to these people, right? That's the line that makes us accountable even though people like this are purposefully sabotaging the match, right? How often do you guys experience people like this? Less often than verbal abuse or offensive language? Not me. Maybe it's anecdotal and maybe I'm just a person who invites that behavior, but I seriously doubt it for how many times I see a person int, afk, troll, just to get a game ended that they don't agree with. Where is their accountability? How many years has this issue been addressed to Riot and do any of you feel it has been dealt with accordingly? or at all?

Anyway just be careful, cause this is all it takes.

24 Comments

zPOOPzSep 4, 20194 votes

How many years has this issue been addressed to Riot and do any of you feel it has been dealt with accordingly? or at all?

You expect Rito to eliminate trolls and assholes? How many years did the internet or the dawn of humanity have and we still couldn't get rid of trolls or assholes?

You were shown 1 to 5 SAMPLES of games that you were validly reported in. Please don't make it sounds like this is the ONLY game that got you punished. That is misinformation and disservice to the player base.

SkreameSep 4, 20191 votes

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You expect Rito to eliminate trolls and assholes? How many years did the internet or the dawn of humanity have and we still couldn't get rid of trolls or assholes?

You were shown 1 to 5 SAMPLES of games that you were validly reported in. Please don't make it sounds like this is the ONLY game that got you punished. That is misinformation and disservice to the player base.

This is the only game. If your report card has multiple games, it will give you evidence from multiple games. The system will also give you a warning that you have been reported as a measure to let you know you may be acting in a way they don't like, which didn't happen to me.

Stop assuming things. I copied this text from my card and it was the only game. I got my honor capsule literally 1 week ago and this one game is the only instance that I was punished for.

https://ibb.co/pQmt8Kt

rujitraSep 4, 20196 votes

No, it does not give you a warning, and hasn't for 4+ seasons now.

Further, it will only show you some of the worse games, not necessarily all.

zPOOPzSep 4, 20191 votes

The ONLY time you ever get a pop up warning after being reported a lot within a short amount of time was way back in Season 3 or 4 when Tribunal was in service. People freaked out and thought they were getting banned and flooded support to ask about the warning. Rito did away with that warning for this reason back in Season 3 and 4. There has never been any warning with the inception of the IFS 4,5 seasons ago.

I don't assume things. I have pretty good knowledge of how the IFS works. You are shown 1 to 5 SAMPLES of games you were recently validly reported in. It is not the only games you were reported in. If you want to put my comment to the test, you can submit a support ticket and ask them for your game data. It will shows you how many times you have been reported (although it makes no distinction between valid and non-valid reports, but it should give you an idea). This one game is the one that pushed you over the edge into punishment. It is not the ONLY reason you are punished. You also have the option to submit a support ticket to contest your punishment and ask them for chat logs of all games that got you this punishment.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us

Light BurnerSep 4, 20191 votes

Who checked the validity of those reports? Defintely not a person because Riot already said its automated.

SkreameSep 5, 20191 votes

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Yeah, I guess you guys are the experts. Confirmed by a Rioter I was judged by this one game. https://ibb.co/58yxGvw

Thanks for derailing the whole point by the way, which was that I was never arguing the validity of the judgement, but was asking for constructive criticism or a counter point in the issue of dealing with toxicity as a totalitarian censorship construct and completely forsaking actual trolling.

You think a false equivalency of the open internet having all kinds of people validates any kind of person being allowed to play a certain game? Many games have ban systems that deal with trolling, specifically DOTA having queue priorities for AFK and grief.

It's not that they can't track the difference in playing bad or trolling, they don't intend to spend the money on it. They don't need a 100% solution either. Completely ignoring the whole thing separately, while demeaning people who you label as 'wrong' or 'toxic' simply to discount any and all points they make is so contradicting it's beyond ridiculous.

GatekeeperTDSSep 4, 20193 votes

Now I'm not trying to justify what I said or imply that it's not a punishable offense. I just want to notify you all that simply one game with 30~ messages all game is enough to lose all your honor that you built up over hundreds of games.

This is most certainly not the first time you've spent 30 minutes bitching at your team and insulting them, this is just the game the pushed you over the edge into getting punished.

SkreameSep 4, 20191 votes

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This is most certainly not the first time you've spent 30 minutes bitching at your team and insulting them, this is just the game the pushed you over the edge into getting punished.

Yes, you can assume that as much as you like, but the fact is, this is the game they reviewed and it was propagated by behavior that is not only inherently more abusive, but allowable by the standards of this system.

I could sit here and argue with you about how each message is directed to the one person who was already trolling our game from the start, but you never cared to begin with more than being condescending ironically. If you want to soapbox, that's fine, but at least provide something to the actual question I'm asking about the honor system.

The honor system rewards people who troll games as long as they keep quiet, because the system has always been a punishment tactic for one topic specifically more than a rewarding program from the start.

GatekeeperTDSSep 4, 20195 votes

You are 100% incorrect in everything you believe regarding this system, and as per usual for people who come to talk about their punishments, you are unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't fit your world view, and you're looking to take your anger out on people who reply.

Bottom line - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU AND YOU DID NOT GET PUNISHED FOR A SINGLE GAME.

SkreameSep 4, 20191 votes

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You are 100% incorrect in everything you believe regarding this system, and as per usual for people who come to talk about their punishments, you are unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't fit your world view, and you're looking to take your anger out on people who reply.

Bottom line - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU AND YOU DID NOT GET PUNISHED FOR A SINGLE GAME.

And people like you who come here just to validate yourselves by reconfirming your view of people deserving to be punished are not only one of the most hypocritical things I've seen, but you fail to even address the point of the post with anything more than a lazy disagreement with no substantial logic or qualifying information as an argument.

I gave proof that the report card had reviewed only a single game, and I prefaced my entire post by saying that I was not contesting the punishment, nor was I even disagreeing that my behavior is wrong. But people like you just have to come out of the woodwork to prop yourself up in some insane attempt to soapbox, when you yourself use the same derogatory tone you try to pretend you've above.

If you think I'm wrong about the system, then validate it with verifiable information or at least give an opinion based on reasonable logic.

The system is built on a automated review that looks for trigger responses and phrases. Do you disagree? That's an objective fact.

The system is unable to detect griefing without admittance distinguishable from playing poorly, thus players actively abuse this fact to end games they do not agree with, and the community simply allows this notion to exist by means of no solution. Do you disagree?

I have another account that I play only ARAM with a certain group and there is no such problem that is inherently related to Summoner's Rift or Ranked specifically, and have honor level 5, but was I honorable? Am I a different person in those games? No, I simply do not talk as much as I am not agitated by intentional player behavior. Regardless if I was a good person or not.

If you think that system is 100% correct and has no criticisms to be had, than far be it from me to insinuate that you are delusional. But hey, you in your obvious superiority are allowed to get defensive and accuse me of being unwilling to listen and saying I deserve this or that as someone with the authority to say so, right?

GatekeeperTDSSep 4, 20192 votes

If you think I'm wrong about the system, then validate it with verifiable information or at least give an opinion based on reasonable logic.

I don't need to prove a negative. You came here, you're wrong. No number of times you say "I only got punished from one game" is going to make it correct. The reform card shows anywhere from ONE to SEVERAL EXAMPLES of behavior. It's not the only one that got you punished. You have other people in this thread telling you the same thing. Shove your head in the sand all you want, it's not going to make your statements true.

SkreameSep 4, 20191 votes

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I don't need to prove a negative. You came here, you're wrong. No number of times you say "I only got punished from one game" is going to make it correct. The reform card shows anywhere from ONE to SEVERAL EXAMPLES of behavior. It's not the only one that got you punished. You have other people in this thread telling you the same thing. Shove your head in the sand all you want, it's not going to make your statements true.

It must be easy to tell people "you're wrong" while simultaneously having the audacity to claim that you don't need to prove anything.

If all you wanted to do was reiterate that I should be punished as I said in my original post, how is that anything other than being pretentious? Right, you don't have to explain. I must be the one shoving my head in the sand.

If you don't have any validation from the argument about the system and rather just yourself, I'll take it as you being obviously right and save you the trouble of continuing your platform.

Light BurnerSep 4, 20191 votes

"The reform card shows anywhere from ONE to SEVERAL EXAMPLES of behavior" "It's not the only one that got you punished" You just said it shows ONE to. that means it can just be one?? Are you a hypocrite or something?

GatekeeperTDSSep 4, 20193 votes

Are you thick or just looking for arguments?

It shows EXAMPLES of your behavior, not and all-inclusive, 100% exhaustive list of everything. It's a goddamn sample.

Light BurnerSep 4, 20191 votes

https://imgur.com/a/rHGbdTh#uvnMdoi

heres an image of a guy banned no where in the ban statement does it say the listed games below are only portions of the games you were validly reported for. And how is a player supposed to know if he was validly reported if the system doesnt tell him???

SkreameSep 4, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUbi9rPU,comment-id=000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-04T21:24:04.589+0000)

"The reform card shows anywhere from ONE to SEVERAL EXAMPLES of behavior" "It's not the only one that got you punished" You just said it shows ONE to. that means it can just be one?? Are you a hypocrite or something?

I just submitted a ticket as previously suggested by the people here and the bot provided just this one game again, but I have requested a human to more thoroughly investigate. I have also positively seen a warning for being reported on my roommates account this season, so I asked about that as well.

Light BurnerSep 4, 20191 votes

This was meant for the guy saying some stuff about one to several example of the behavior then turns around and says you didnt get punished for one. When judging from your post theres only 1 game. Idk if i replied to you by accident with this, but it was a reply for GatekeeperTDS

BeariducciSep 4, 20191 votes

Agreed again! You can argue that it is against that one genuinely toxic player that would tilt anyone, but who believes you. Chat bans have no recourse. You get to take it or quit playing... there is no rebuttal and that's unfortunate. If you are going to consequence someone for an action, if there is any way it's subjective, then you should have a 'process' to contest the consequence.

No honors, no "free" stuff (although with an account that I have spent a couple grand on over the years) is it really free??????

SkreameSep 5, 20191 votes

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Agreed again! You can argue that it is against that one genuinely toxic player that would tilt anyone, but who believes you. Chat bans have no recourse. You get to take it or quit playing... there is no rebuttal and that's unfortunate. If you are going to consequence someone for an action, if there is any way it's subjective, then you should have a 'process' to contest the consequence.

No honors, no "free" stuff (although with an account that I have spent a couple grand on over the years) is it really free??????

Want to know what's even worse? I looked to see if at least both of us would be punished, but no!

The person who trolled my games is still playing as we speak and there's games in their history that show blatant behavior as what they did in my game. They have double the losses as their wins, but they are free to run rampant and ruin even more games.

Nice system!

overpoweredscrubSep 4, 20193 votes

That's how it works. That's why i just never type anymore in game. Typing is the easiest way to get punished,

Light BurnerSep 4, 20191 votes

I just afk split push until we lose when i get teams like this.

overpoweredscrubSep 5, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IUbi9rPU,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-04T21:21:50.501+0000)

I just afk split push until we lose when i get teams like this.

teams like the op? or teammates like me who never talk?

Light BurnerSep 5, 20191 votes

Teams like OP. Id be an asshole to afk split push because a guy isnt chatting.

BeariducciSep 4, 20191 votes

I agree... I just got chat banned, and I too am not defending my OWN actions or texts. BUT, that said, it is ridiculous that a player that says in all chat that he's feeding, threatens players with real life harm and asks for their home addresses, tilts players from other lanes, steals cs from my own lane and then proceeds to reek havoc on the last 1/2 of this losing game - gets to keep playing and MY frustrating comments get's ME the ban!

We all know that we can "mute all" or a particular player... but, the frustration of getting game after game of people afk'ing, matched up with players a whole 4 levels different, and having some people feed because they get 'auto filled' is crippling when you are stuck in lower elo's.

I have spent a LOT of time playing this game, and I do okay. Unfortunately, I can't yet 1v3 which is what it takes sometimes to win a damn game in this league with some of the most toxic players out there. When a ban comes from a game where the level of toxicity is SOOOOOOO high that the Pope would lose his cool, then there should be some leniency to this type of petty chat banning! Auto banning with an algorithm is ridiculous unless it is for genuine hate speech.

Just a frustrated and chat banned player!!!