Unjustified ban?

You Die You Lose·Oct 14, 2017·1 votes·343 views

Game 1 You Die You Lose: thx You Die You Lose: who pinged that? You Die You Lose: alright your pings muted btw You Die You Lose: its meta You Die You Lose: this is gg You Die You Lose: i dont You Die You Lose: and that invade fucked me over badly You Die You Lose: just f You Die You Lose: fucking You Die You Lose: f You Die You Lose: this game is over You Die You Lose: i want fucking out You Die You Lose: stfu i got pinged to go there You Die You Lose: and got fb'd You Die You Lose: hit fucking yes You Die You Lose: its 22-7 You Die You Lose: ffs You Die You Lose: i was done playing at 15 You Die You Lose: they refuse to ff You Die You Lose: @botlane You Die You Lose: nice ban You Die You Lose: gl You Die You Lose: game was over 15 doesnt matter anymore <3 You Die You Lose: rly? thats your condition? You Die You Lose: you mean toxic? or just swearing in general lol You Die You Lose: no??? You Die You Lose: end it alreayd You Die You Lose: again good luck with the bam You Die You Lose: would be nice if the rest of you joined in on that :) You Die You Lose: 7x riven pls You Die You Lose: ur so good You Die You Lose: im sure :) You Die You Lose: becuase shes flaming ryze? You Die You Lose: why else wouldnt you:? You Die You Lose: you're going to win either way and she wont rly know? You Die You Lose: am i tho? You Die You Lose: riot wouldn't consider this inting You Die You Lose: could be ;) You Die You Lose: but riven said some nauty things that will get her banned You Die You Lose: and grag you didn't do anything You Die You Lose: .all you got the invade on me You Die You Lose: and from there just read my path which is pretty simple You Die You Lose: bg

there's my log. I just came back from my two week ban so i know of course any toxicity or flame etc would lead to a perma so i've really tried to be more reformed by muting anything that may bait me to be toxic or just put me off. i reviewed this log and was shocked this of all logs would put me under banned. I don't know if i'm mistaken but unless i cant use the F word why would this be considered unsportsmanlike? sadly these logs don't show everyone else chatting so ill explain where it can be seen as inflammatory but isn't. i was khaz jg and my support pinged me to go into tri bush botlane to scout so i did and there was 5 people in there and i died so i asked who pinged it and muted ( not toxic at all) then they asked why does jhin have dring so i said its meta (nothing toxic there) and from there i said it was gg since we all were very behind i'm talking 20+ kills on enemy team they had all our turrets and i was invaded on 5 times in my own jungle with no assistance which i understand is my fault but everyone else wasn't doing too hot so i wanted to suggest a surrender vote early because this game was too grim ( btw this is a plat+ game so enemy's are not bad enough to throw a 20 kill lead when we only have 4 ). i believe someone asked if was inting and of course i said no i'm trying to win but sadly the game was too far gone, so when i said F fcking F its like f....f...pls like but the Fck is kinda to emphasis i'm really not happy how this game went please surrender ( you can say its inflammatory but no where doest that indicate you guys suck ff its simply don't want to waste any more time surrender pls*). from there i kept trying to make plays and the enemy's started flaming me saying i'm bad are you inting etc? so i all chated that i was pretty much done playing after 15 since botlane refused to surrender despite 3 wanting to and we were all feeding pretty much. i said Nice ban in all chat because the fed enemy riven decides to tell me to "kys" and since I've been on her side before being toxic and getting punished i wanted to let her know hey buddy you're prolly gonna get banned for that. ( nothing toxic there, i didn't flame her i'm just stating the facts telling someone to kill themselves is toxic and if i were suicide and decided to do it you'd be in a lot of trouble.) after that enemy's flamed some more at me so i decided to have fun with them and give lil heart and tell them hey man game was already done at 15 whatever. (not toxic) and jhin on the enemy team says he only reports people who swear which is why i asked that was his condition since i was surprised he wouldn't report if someone inted or like whats up with that? enemy's asked if i was inting which i replied no of course i got camped in my jungle and the enemy gragas was ahead so they were just trying to flame more with that question. so i all chated for them to end already since they were fooling around in our base, which you cant say is toxic or unsportsmanlike since they were already in our base and the game was guaranteed lose not like i was saying end it in the middle of the game or something. i asked then for everyone to report riven since she kept flaming me and told me to kms but her duo was the gragas so that's why instead of saying 9x it was 7x lol. then after that just some more all chating and then gragas said he destroyed me and yata yata so i told him what happened, i didn't say "and grag you didn't do anything" as in a toxic way i was just saying what you did was mind boggling crazy like bruh you got a free cheese invade then read my path and killed me while i was trying to get some gold and exp back in my jg while all my lanes are pushed in not that special? "all you got the invade on me" "and from there just read my path which is pretty simple " which is why i said that which is no way unsportsmanlike. in conclusion there was nothing wrong in anything i said here to justify taking my account away after i just came out of a justified 2 week ban. i took that ban with respect and tried to reform by constantly muting teammates to keep me from saying negative things to them and right at the start of the chat i had evidence of that by saying hey i'm muting your pings. oh i forgot to mention this part "stfu i got pinged to go there" if i'm being prosecuted because i told someone to shut up then wtf?? my adc told me its my fault they lost botlane so i responded saying are you kidding me (which is my translation of stfu) i got pinged to go there. basically brand told me to go in that bush to scout i did and their adc and supp got assist gold and they beat my botlane cus of it and blamed it on me so i got angry of course and said stfu and immediately muted so i wouldn't say anything toxic which is quite reformed. if i wasn't i would of said some nasty things to her but i said stfu in the height of it come on. so i hope you guys agree with me on this was a unjustified ban or bug from the automated system but if they looked in any previous log since unban they'll see i've been improving a lot.

9 Comments

Kei143Oct 14, 20171 votes

hmmm ... I can't bare to read anything else other than the chatlog. That wall of text is too stronk.

But your negative attitude of constantly trying to give up all game is probably the reason why this chat was deemed punishment worthy.

You Die You LoseOct 14, 20171 votes

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hmmm ... I can't bare to read anything else other than the chatlog. That wall of text is too stronk.

But your negative attitude of constantly trying to give up all game is probably the reason why this chat was deemed punishment worthy.

and i never gave up i kept trying to play, but we were simply so behind it was impossible to come back from 20+ kills is what i was stating in all chat. everyone besides botlane wanted to end the game but they wanted to spite me because they felt i lost them their lane.

ModiOct 15, 20171 votes

It was your attitude that likely got you the punishment:

You Die You Lose: just f You Die You Lose: fucking You Die You Lose: f You Die You Lose: this game is over You Die You Lose: i want fucking out You Die You Lose: stfu i got pinged to go there You Die You Lose: and got fb'd You Die You Lose: hit fucking yes You Die You Lose: its 22-7 You Die You Lose: ffs You Die You Lose: i was done playing at 15 You Die You Lose: they refuse to ff

your decision to forfeit does not mean that they must forfeit as well. As long as there isn't a supermajority of summoners that want to FF, you keep playing. If the FF doesn't go through, take it at that and keep playing. Don't try to berate your team mates about not forfeiting.

You Die You LoseOct 15, 20171 votes

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It was your attitude that likely got you the punishment: You Die You Lose: fucking You Die You Lose: f You Die You Lose: this game is over You Die You Lose: i want fucking out You Die You Lose: stfu i got pinged to go there You Die You Lose: and got fb'd You Die You Lose: hit fucking yes You Die You Lose: its 22-7 You Die You Lose: ffs You Die You Lose: i was done playing at 15 You Die You Lose: they refuse to ff

your decision to forfeit does not mean that they must forfeit as well. As long as there isn't a supermajority of summoners that want to FF, you keep playing. If the FF doesn't go through, take it at that and keep playing. Don't try to berate your team mates about not forfeiting.

could you show where i berated any of them though? directly? i don't recall saying anything inflammatory to any of my teammates. if three of the 5 want to ff that's the majority? that's simple math. 3 rules over 2 and that two was the duo bot lane so yes the majority of the team wanted to forfeit, and complaining that you want to ff without calling anyone out or saying anything toxic should be considered berating? and without time stamps you can see that i said these things well spaced out not all at once. as well you cant see the context so this is in an attempt to make me look bad somehow when i'm not at all. this section of the log isn't worthy of a ban, nor is any part of it and id assume you and many would agree this person shouldn't be banned. i played the game out the whole time even when i wanted it to end and we still lost in the end so why wasn't there an ff when 3 of the 5 wanted to? its just stupid in my opinion

ModiOct 15, 20171 votes

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. if three of the 5 want to ff that's the majority? that's simple math. 3 rules over 2 and that two was the duo bot lane so yes the majority of the team wanted to forfeit, and complaining that you want to ff without calling anyone out or saying anything toxic should be considered berating?

Forfeits are not governed by majority, they require a super majority.

They way that Riot has implemented a supermajority depends on how many people are still in the game (aka not booted for afk or have not quit)

For odd teams (3, 5): enough for majority vote, plus one, which is 3, and 4 respectively
For even teams (2, 4): enough for 50% + 1, which is 2 and 3 respectively

This is purely observation from seeing forfeits from these team sizes. It could be simpler: more than 60% of the players. That would cover all situations nicely and be easier to implement.

As for berating, I think the quote above covers it. One of the report options is for "negative behavior". One of the examples given is "giving up", which your "i was done playing at 15" comment provides the clearest evidence that you have given up, not to mention the rest of the quote above.

In addition, I didn't include these in the first post, but here's more lines from that chat log indicating you have given up:

You Die You Lose: game was over 15 doesnt matter anymore <3 ... You Die You Lose: end it alreayd

Long story short: Would this justify a ban on its own, probably not. If you had previous punishments that had not "fallen off" yet, then you were banned (whether 14 day or permanent) due to consistently negative behavior. I hope it was a 14 day, and not permanent, because this alone is not that bad.

If it was a 14 day, please be careful, because your next punishment is permaban.

Kei143Oct 15, 20171 votes

i dunno about that, your chat says otherwise and its demoralizing for the team.

DrugothOct 14, 20171 votes

It looks to me like you gave up pretty early and started arguing with your team over it.

Remember, if people are harassing you, just mute them. The moment you start flinging shit back at them you put yourself at risk of a punishment.

You Die You LoseOct 14, 20171 votes

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It looks to me like you gave up pretty early and started arguing with your team over it.

Remember, if people are harassing you, just mute them. The moment you start flinging shit back at them you put yourself at risk of a punishment.

i never argued with my teammates once, that once instance of saying "stfu" was the height of it and i muted immediately after, everything else was in response to the enemy's in all chat. -edit: also i didn't give up, i wish they gave time stamps but i said gg when it was over 20 kills on enemy team and we had little to none with no turrets, and i didn't even spam for us to forfeit + the rest of the team besides bot wanted to ff with me but botlane was spiting me by saying no because they lost their lane and blamed me for it.