Player Moderation is a Joke

Slimegoon·Apr 21, 2017·10 votes·1,044 views

I know the Tribunal system wasn't perfect, but the state of the "community" and moderation of it is a joke right now.

Ping spam reaches the top of boards on a weekly basis. We can get updates to ARAM and poros, but still nothing to address it.

You can AFK in as many games as you want, but as long as you don't leave, you won't be punished. I've had teammates AFK with match histories showing multiple AFKs per day, yet they still play.

And don't even get me started on inting. It seems like as long as you stay under 40 deaths you're in the clear.

I get that the most toxic players are probably big spenders, but they're also addicts and will just spend double if you ban their main account.

28 Comments

Kei143Apr 21, 20174 votes

It sounds like you are suffering from "I can't see the system working so it must be shit" syndrome.

Current priority for Riot's engineers:

New client
New Honor system

After those two I am crossing my fingers so we get a system that improves behavioral visibility.

SOA JuniorApr 22, 20173 votes

If those are the true priorities of Riot Games, I am embarrassed for them wholeheartedly. We got people making death threats to others and their families and they wanna work on the Honor System and the New Client.

The truth of the matter is, the almighty Dollar will always prevail. If it doesn't have anything to do with the professional scene and how much money they are making from that, then it doesn't matter at all.

Absolutely sick and embarrassing.

Kei143Apr 22, 20171 votes

The new client I can understand that is important framework for the improvement for the rest of the systems, but I agree with you that JUST the honor system won't resolve toxicity. There has been whispers of tribunal 2.0 being tied to the new honor system, whether that holds true is another matter.

I also have no idea what you are trying to say in regards to e-sports.

SOA JuniorApr 22, 20172 votes

I'm saying their effort and concern is going to be first and foremost centered around e-sports. It is profitable. In turn, this means that the general community will be put on back burner.

Kei143Apr 22, 20171 votes

They don't make that much money through e-sports (yet).

SirChuckNorrisApr 23, 20171 votes

I agree with SOA JUNIOR. I play solo every game for years. No one hands me honor for taking the Support role, trying hard to win, or being just overall pleasant and helpful. Wards don't get me honor, and frankly being support doesn't get me S Grades either.
The best games I play are just taxing as I load the results screen to see that I get an A- for a game I don't die and have 90% kill participation in.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wMYFRIb1NLM/WPwU-yuLR_I/AAAAAAAAAMA/eAM-PR4Gx6QiYOkpFk7v6GkJYA8aA7m4wCL0B/w663-d-h424-p-rw/sona%2Bundying.jpg)

I have no reason to try to be an angel when I'm bombarded by selfishness and often plain rudeness, just so I get a stupid ribbon randomly on load-in screen. Honor system is just like putting a bandaid on a Bazooka wound. Designers know they have not fixed the problem after years and just chip away at the least effective corners to try and claim they have done net-positive.

Not impressed Riot....

JRobin31Apr 22, 20171 votes

I am so glad that RIOT is reworking the honor system because reworking the honor system has the greatest potential to motivate positive behavior.

LICENSED HOOKERApr 23, 20171 votes

Oh wait you made a mistake

New client

Forced laggy client down my throat*

Like i have a good pc that handles league on max with 90+ fps, but i can't load this stupid client..

Kian987Apr 23, 20172 votes

RIOT is a worthless company. This is MY opinion. Let me tell you a story. Here is how they made me quit in 3 steps.

In 2014 they increased prices because of depreciation of euro against dollar. For years they loved and enjoyed the fact that euro was a stronger currency but when UE decided to lower a bit its value, RIOT have immediately increased all prices. Since that day I have stopped supporting them with my money.

6 months ago I met the worst player and person ever in this game. Just take a look. That player managed to play - and he's still playing - over 100 ranked games with a solid 8% win rate, a KDA of 0.65 ruining the experience of almost 1.000 players. I kept following this guy for weeks and I kept adding his team mates and opponents asking for their opinion and they all told me countless times that they reported him. He received no punishment and he's still playing and ruining games. Since that day I lost all my respect for RIOT.

For 1.5 years every single month I opened a thread asking for informations about Shen my main (1.6M mastery points) a champion that sucks in soloQ. I received no one single answer but instead 1 rework, 3 direct nerfs and tens of indirect ones. 3 days ago they nerfed him even more seriously just because in competitive play he works well (guess why? all premades). They changed Shen totally ignoring the opinion of mains and other players. A company that ignores feedback for so long and that in a single patch destroys the experience of thousands of players no longer deserves me as a player. Since than, I decided to quit this game.

I don't want to sound odd. I know that this is just a game but every time they did a bad move according to my opinion, I took my countermeasures. I didn't turn into a flamer or feeder. I kept respecting everyone. I simply refused to support RIOT with my money, I decided not to trust them blindly and to discourage friends from playing this game. Every single time I completed all their surveys to let them know my point of view but, I expressed my opinion on their posts but, since it seems that they don't care, I decided to quit.

This game no longer deserves my time, passion, support, money, feedback, patience and efforts. Watching commercials on TV is more enjoyable.

LICENSED HOOKERApr 23, 20172 votes

Ping spam reaches the top of boards on a weekly basis. We can get updates to ARAM and poros, but still nothing to address it.

Hopefully by the time i make like my 30th thread about this, it will be solved.

SlimegoonApr 23, 20171 votes

Ryze will be a well-made champion before then

LICENSED HOOKERApr 24, 20171 votes

rip

Mizuki ZahraApr 21, 20171 votes

I died 5 times in my lane because if a 4 man gank with no Mia pings I had things warded but as soon as the wards went out bam and I got called out for int, I feel that most 90% of the ppl that play don't know what intentiall feeding really is

EclipseTimApr 21, 20171 votes

I never had much trouble with it. Minimize chat as much as possible Dont read chat Dont chat Use pings to communicate

Afk for 1-2 minutes once or twice while in game is normal for normal people. Expecting every single person to be glued to the screen for 30-50 minutes is not normal. (bathroom, drink, phone, unexpected door knocking etc)

SirChuckNorrisApr 23, 20171 votes

wow.

ModKnightsKemplarApr 21, 20171 votes

I regularly get feedback that the people I report get punished. I'm not inclined to believe that the system isn't working unless I have proof.

The system only works when people actually use the report function. If they aren't doing that, it isn't Riot's fault. That's the only sure-fire way to make sure problem players get punished, and more people need to learn to use it effectively.

Don't punish because you don't like someone. And DO punish when they break the summoner's code. You can't punish them for playing the game, and you SHOULD punish them when they are not playing the game. It's pretty simple, yet I think many people, because of the bystander effect, simply don't use the function. I'd love to see stats on it.

SlimegoonApr 21, 20171 votes

I get feedback from obvious flamers/toxic people, but I've never once gotten feedback after reporting an afk/inter. Personally I'd rather deal with hearing about the sexual exploits of my mother then watch someone silently run it down mid.

That seems to be the big disconnect, if you're not chatting, you're not getting punished. Riot only seems to care about what people say, not how they act. And I'm not the type of person to report bad games, if you go 0/10 but I see you trying that's fine. But if you're 0/20 and 10 of your deaths have come from you afking in lane, something needs to be done.

ModPeriscopeApr 22, 20171 votes

And don't even get me started on inting. It seems like as long as you stay under 40 deaths you're in the clear.

Do you have evidence of this ever happening? I think 40 deaths is a pretty extraordinary feat and would require all 9 others working together to make that happen.

Kian987Apr 23, 20171 votes

Enough?

Still playing. Still waiting for answers.

ModPeriscopeApr 23, 20171 votes

Interesting. This isn't really evidence of what I brought up.

Kian987Apr 23, 20171 votes

To me it's intresting that this player is still playing with scores that sometime can reach and pass 40 deaths.

ModPeriscopeApr 23, 20171 votes

None of the K/D you mentioned for that particular player went over 19 deaths. Further, it doesn't seem like a case of intentional feeding.

CØulrophobiaApr 23, 20171 votes

It's clear that accaunt should have been suspended long time ago, inter or otherwise.

It fits only in these categories:Booster/Booste, Hacker,Troll/Inter. Even I have a player I follow just because of this behaviour. And it is extremely hard to say i am not mad he hasnt been banned after 2 months.

Apprently Riot can spend $$$$$ on 5 new skins every patch but not on good player support. Gr8

Kian987Apr 23, 20171 votes

I didn't update that thread anymore since there were enough proofs to demand an explanation and/or an intervention by RIOT. Like I have already said, that guy is still playing and feeding non-stop. He has been able to end some games as ADC with more than 40 deaths and yes, RANKED GAMES.

I saved the profile of this guy in my favories and from time to time I go to check his match history with the hope that RIOT banned him but nope, he's still playing. Meanwhile streamers get banned for int-feeding in a single game.

At least he's gold 2 now, he's playing less and his win rate moved from 8% to 34%.

ModPeriscopeApr 24, 20171 votes

I mean, all I'm going off of is what you say about this player. And I'm not sure what else you can do about this player. He isn't really affecting you, so I don't think you can write a support ticket about him (you're welcome to try). And Riot's not going to answer you about that particular player, because it's not their policy to tell you about any other player's punishment.

Kian987Apr 24, 20171 votes

He affected me in one game only but until 3 months ago he has been capable of ruining the game and the experience of more than 1.000 players. No actions taken. Here is why I stopped supporting RIOT with my money in S4 and this is also part of the reason why I no longer play this poorly managed game.

Let's make is simple: do you think that this guy should be allowed to play non-stop like if nothing happened? Do you think that ruining the game of more than 1.000 players is still not enough for a punishment? This guy has probably received 500 consecutive reports at best and he's still there.

ModPeriscopeApr 24, 20171 votes

So he got better 3 months ago?

I'd be unhappy if I'd gotten a bad player in my game, or as it appears, someone who's playing under their MMR. That being said, there's no way on our end to determine if something malicious has happened to that account, or if they're just playing worse. I think it should be looked into, but whether or not punishment should be doled out, I cannot say.

QuantumanticzApr 24, 20171 votes

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I know the Tribunal system wasn't perfect, but the state of the "community" and moderation of it is a joke right now.

Ping spam reaches the top of boards on a weekly basis. We can get updates to ARAM and poros, but still nothing to address it.

You can AFK in as many games as you want, but as long as you don't leave, you won't be punished. I've had teammates AFK with match histories showing multiple AFKs per day, yet they still play.

And don't even get me started on inting. It seems like as long as you stay under 40 deaths you're in the clear.

I get that the most toxic players are probably big spenders, but they're also addicts and will just spend double if you ban their main account.

Yep. My friends one. Horrible to play with. Volatile as hell. Hes had 6 permabands? Close to that. He buys every champion on every new account, he also has to have a skin for each. All because he can't handle losing, or doing poorly.