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Unjustified account ban!

LinkSombrio··5 votes·7,761 views
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What you see below is why the 1 game has got me banned for being too toxic. I've spent over $400 on this game & have had my account for yearssss. And riot's tribunal bans me unfairly. I was told to kms & a lot of other slurs and nothing happened to them. Here it is. Judge for yourself.

Game 1 Voday: nami I only ask one thing Voday: Don't do what my other supports do which is engaging when imreloading then blame me for doing nothing Voday: that shit gives me cancer xD Voday: when they do that Voday: like i guess they don't understand i have a reload mechanic Voday: ye they are engagers Voday: wait to stop them Voday: dont engage Voday: ye i know was agreeing Voday: if only i had mana Voday: it's ok late game veigar will just 1 hit mid or vayne or prob khazix Voday: ok Voday: that didnt even hit Voday: don't be negative jax. Voday: sorry for what? Voday: I died once? Voday: feeding? Voday: kay. Voday: me and nami died once bot Voday: to a 4 man gank. Voday: they have came twice Voday: kay Voday: ye i know nami lol. i'll be banning blitz every game Voday: he doesnt hityou but hits. Voday: buggy ass champion lol (well more that skin) Voday: we need to force teamfights Voday: khazix is weak there Voday: not single Voday: force teamfights Voday: or we lose Voday: khazix cant isolate in teamfights Voday: kay Voday: idk why u guys are mid? Voday: that literally makes no sense Voday: there is 4 bottom, now they get 2 kills a turret and drag Voday: it's not fine if we get nothing out of it : / at least push mid Voday: they are rotating Voday: and you b.. :/ Voday: we aren't so they are gonna get zero punishments out of grouping. Voday: and i should we should Voday: woops I can't spell Voday: no.. thats how we beat khazix Voday: no Voday: u listen lol how am I toxic? You guys tell me I suck bottom and khazix has 20 kills and I'm saying we need to group or lose and you say i'mm toxic? Voday: its calls.. not toxic Voday: if we are single Voday: khaizx kills us Voday: we need to teamfight Voday: ok then we lose cuz that's what he's strong at.. : / Voday: khaizx is hunting jax in jungle Voday: we need to group Voday: i'm 0-3 but still strong Voday: we can teamfight Voday: kay Voday: i'm an immobile adc that has been 3-4 man ganked 3 times since start Voday: thats all my deaths Voday: im not talking trash im just asking ppl to group Voday: we cant win single Voday: sigh Voday: see Voday: just report jax gg all he has done is flame me entire game telling me ot kms or that i'm a %%%. Voday: But I've asked us to group since the start. thats khazix weakness.. Voday: yet u guys 1v1 Voday: idk why Voday: hes to fed now : / Voday: yes really. we have nno teamwork Voday: I'm not Voday: see hes way to fed now. just surrender and let's Voday: gg report jax plx toxic Voday: my entire match history is me fed as hell and i have one bad game cuz camped by assassins so i suck? Voday: ur hilarious jax Voday: enjoy report Voday: camped by assassins cuz khazix got fed cuz of u jax Voday: i asked us to group as a team Voday: so 4 man report for jax? lol Voday: wurth Voday: how is that bait? Voday: it was obvious Voday: we lost Voday: cuz i wanted a kill Voday: not bait Voday: it' been over tho.. yet you still find a way to blame me. Voday: jax just harasses his entire team since start Voday: blames me for dying bot to 4 man ganks with assassins Voday: ye cuz i can stop that Voday: she cant Voday: khazix waits for nami when she wards. don't blame her. Voday: 1422 dmg with one q lol Voday: and jax thinks we can win Voday: enjoy ban jax.. Voday: ye i wanted to group Voday: before khazix got more fed Voday: and we didn't Voday: how am i banned? Voday: i never harassed anyone Voday: i asked to group Voday: get em vaigr Voday: woah i cant spell Voday: gj Voday: huh? Voday: GG plz report jax.

So how does that justify a ban? Anytime I said to group is when our top lane & Jungler harassed me and this random nami for losing bot & dying to a fed khazix who got fed off mid and our jungler. He was very fed early in so I told everyone we need to group or lose cuz he's just hunting people down at this point. Force teamfights. Then I defended nami getting told she never wards cuz she dies anytime she tries to. And everyone time i said to group or we lose it was toward the snarky top telling me i'm wrong which made no sense. And I never harassed him. Then you see me saying gg report jax or ur banned jax. Everytime I said that it was after a line of him telling me to kill myself, that i'm a %%% or suck dick at the game. I don't see why I was banned? Maybe a chat restriction? But even then I don't see why I would get one just for telling my team to group or saying we lose toward the one harassing me for losing bot. I'm guessing it's because I said cancer & ass even though it was about a champion & toward noone in all chat or an actual player? It was talking about the champions. & I've read riots guidelines after this ban. It says you can cuss/use strong words as long as it's not toward an actual player or homophobic/racist. So basically you can say oh fuck I suck, or well that's cancer I got blinded. Just stuff like that. I seriously don't understand how someone looked at this & was like woah! to toxic! ?

in·flam·ma·to·ry inˈflaməˌtôrē/ adjective adjective: inflammatory

  1. (especially of speech or writing) arousing or intended to arouse angry or violent feelings.

of·fen·sive adjective adjective: offensive

1.
causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry.
"the allegations made are deeply offensive to us"

2.
actively aggressive; attacking.
"offensive operations against the insurgents"

Those are my ban/report reasons. Inflammatory for defending myself & trying to make us win? How is me saying the right thing While I'm being insulted inflammatory? I didn't purposely piss someone off and feed fire. I was trying to win because noone would listen and only insulted eachother.

Offensive??? What did I say that could be taken as offensive? Besides cancer or ass that was used toward no-one and falls under okay in the guidelines?? I'm genuinely confused & upset that I got banned over something like this. All my time & money gone for a report like this??

112 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

It says you can cuss/use strong words as long as it's not toward an actual player or homophobic/racist.

You did use a homophobic slur, though, when repeating what Jax said.

Even then, that is typically not enough alone to result in a permanent ban. However, if you have shown toxic behavior in the past and went up the punishment tiers below a permaban already, then it's more likely that this would result in a harsher punishment. There are 4 tiers of punishment, starting from chat restrictions, and each time you get punished you move up one tier (reforming your behavior can lower your tier over time).

Did you have a 14 day ban before this? If so, that explains how this resulted in a permaban.

Concerning your other behavior, calling to mass report or threatening with reports is considered harassment and is a punishable offense. Please just mute and report players that are causing problems for you; only one report is needed to flag the match to be added to their case for review when triggered, and more reports won't make the system check it any harder.

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Deep Terror Nami13 votes

No, by that logic, if your mom slaps your brother for saying the n-word she is going to slap you too for repeating it to her. You can't just say "logic" and expect people to not notice your comparison doesn't fit the situation; you need to actually make sense. If you don't like the rules you don't have to play :3

Declined2 votes

Voday: just report jax gg all he has done is flame me entire game telling me ot kms or that i'm a %%%.

Report calling is a punishable offense. Beyond that I don't see much to be honest, some minor cases of passive aggressiveness and...... creating a negative atmosphere, still very mild.

However I'm sure there's more to this case than just that, cause I doubt you'd be punished for this game alone.

I should probably mention that it doesn't matter how much money you've spent on the game, everyone is treated equally (except Rioters they're treated far more harshly).

And getting perma'd for that alone seems ridiculous, so where's the rest of the story?

LinkSombrio2 votes

No it was this game alone. Just says Game 1 & the stuff below it. And I see people do that all the time & never get banned? I don't see how it's wrong to tell someone toxic to get reported. He was saying ban worthy stuff. And I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive. But I was upset that I constantly was being harassed while trying to make calls and then get told I'm basically an idiot for it. So then I said the obvious. The atmosphere was beyond negative. I was the only nice one talking besides nami. Nami got attacked by top & jungler. (by nice I mean not insulting/flaming).

Comrade Guylas1 votes

Throughout the game there were some comments that were a bit passive aggressive, but at the later parts got a bit... well a bit too much. "enjoy ban" "(saying report jax a bunch of times)" etc. , but you've been punished before I'd assume, because you don't just get a permaban just like that from a semi passive aggressive game.

LinkSombrio2 votes

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Throughout the game there were some comments that were a bit passive aggressive, but at the later parts got a bit... well a bit too much. "enjoy ban" "(saying report jax a bunch of times)" etc. , but you've been punished before I'd assume, because you don't just get a permaban just like that from a semi passive aggressive game.

I only said enjoy ban or something about being banned toward jax after he would insult me or nami every time. He told me to kms, homophobic slurs, etc. And after each one I just said ok enjoy ban or 4 man report? or report jax.

Dapper Hat1 votes

You farmed for reports. Bannable and thank god. NOTHING is worst than you idiots screaming "OMG REPORT XXX PLAYER THEY HURRRRT ME"

LinkSombrio1 votes

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You farmed for reports. Bannable and thank god. NOTHING is worst than you idiots screaming "OMG REPORT XXX PLAYER THEY HURRRRT ME"

I farmed for reports even though I only told people to report jax after every single time he told me to kms, or called me & nami a homophobic/racist slur? I think you got it mixed up. I didn't just sit there in all chat saying it for no reason. It was after anytime Jax said a thing. I'd just reply with that. You seem like the one who's inflammatory.

Caustic Kapa1 votes

{quoted}

I farmed for reports even though I only told people to report jax after every single time he told me to kms, or called me & nami a homophobic/racist slur? I think you got it mixed up. I didn't just sit there in all chat saying it for no reason. It was after anytime Jax said a thing. I'd just reply with that. You seem like the one who's inflammatory.

After I have seen so many people get baned for nothing, i got to thinking, 1st** Dont type** any negative shit when someone is doing bad. They would just rage and report you. Provide some useful advice.
2nd** Dont type ALOT**, since only those who are already tilted do that, and it shows that you spent more typing than playing, 3rd If you are the one who gets talked down to,say that you are** trying** instead of talking back, ask them to stop and provide something constructive instead of tilting you.

If someone would look at your chat later on then they would see that you have no excessive typing, no flaming and just saying that you are trying and asking for advice. If you are going to report someone, report them quietly not announcing since that would make them report you and you dont know how many buddies he got in the same que with him.

LinkSombrio2 votes

I only bring up money to show why I care about it being banned & it goes to show how long I've had that account & that perhaps the tribunal isn't the best option for the final bans for people because then you are easily set up to be just done in easily. I'd argue my chat restriction & 14 day ban wasn't even bad, it's just arguments and constant reports over time I guess. But I didn't think stuff like that was reportable if I didn't insult/stir it up purpousely?? It was just usually me defending myself/others toward ppl like the jax. I never lashed at anyone in all chat calling them idiots etc. or calling my own team an idiot. only thing ever was the newborn squirrel thing.

Morality Coach2 votes

Good ban, your 75 line long chats are garbo regardless of content.

LinkSombrio1 votes

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Good ban, your 75 line long chats are garbo regardless of content.

How is it a good ban? It seems like you just want to be edge me on saying that. And all of my chatting was a response. They talk, I talk after. So your comment doesn't really make sense besides the obvious trying to edge me on.

Morality Coach2 votes

Yeah you're toxic and a loser, of course I'm trying to "edge you on" You can't cs while typing 75 lines, regardless of content.

Go away play another game that allows no self control.

Get out

LinkSombrio2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Morality Coach,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=INJNXw8Q,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-09-05T19:57:08.090+0000)

Yeah you're toxic and a loser, of course I'm trying to "edge you on" You can't cs while typing 75 lines, regardless of content.

Go away play another game that allows no self control.

Get out

The only one being toxic is you right now. And can't CS? I typed anytime I backed & walking to lane, or was dead. I had the most CS that game. Want to try again? No self control? Why is riots community such hypocrites?

RedTao2 votes

Unfortunately they're the majority of the community. Common sense isn't "Common" sense. It's why there's so much confusion with the game and anything related to it atm.

I get where you're coming from though. There's just no point in arguing with RIot/Community when acting like a person just gets you in trouble here.

LinkSombrio1 votes

I never realized so many tumblr users played league now days : /

RedTao1 votes

im sorry. But I dont know what tumblr is. I was just saying I understand what you were getting at.

LinkSombrio1 votes

It's okay. Tumblr is a very sensitive community that gets offended by anything if you don't agree or defend self, & are giant hypocrites.

RedTao1 votes

Ah. Im not sure if you're comparing me with tumblr or not. I believe that people have the right to be able to disagree and defend myself just as long as they're not hypocritical about their reasoning for it. My current situation regarding punishment/reward from Riot has been one big hypocritical arguement that I called out but people can't seem to justify Riot's decisions since they're flip-flopping on their statements and will not explain why they are being hypocrits.

Caustic Kapa1 votes

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I never realized so many tumblr users played league now days : /

Join my club, i used to hate playing with people on skype, was so anoyed by reddit, tumblr and meme references, it was rediculous

Caustic Kapa1 votes

{quoted}

Unfortunately they're the majority of the community. Common sense isn't "Common" sense. It's why there's so much confusion with the game and anything related to it atm.

I get where you're coming from though. There's just no point in arguing with RIot/Community when acting like a person just gets you in trouble here.

OHH MII GOD, I see you Tao everywhere. Add me, we should play sometime. But yea, no point to argue. I just try not to make people rage at me in the game, easier for me and others.

RedTao1 votes

Im confused. Do you like/dislike what im saying? If you don't like what i've been saying, im sorry.

Im not sure you'd want to play with me. Im crap and all I do is feed and lose games. Top that with that I seem to only upset people no matter what I do, I would prefer to spare you from me. I'll still add you, just please be aware of what I am and that I'm not trying to upset anyone.

DONT BE SO SILLY2 votes

You had other warnings previously (10 chat restrict, 25 chat restrict, 14 day ban) so the next one is going to be a perma ban regardless of how severe it was because you have not learned from before. Also typing in chat 100+ times in one game instead of simply playing just makes it worse, there's no need to talk so much, you should have just muted Jax and moved on and report him if he really was toxic.

LinkSombrio1 votes

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You had other warnings previously (10 chat restrict, 25 chat restrict, 14 day ban) so the next one is going to be a perma ban regardless of how severe it was because you have not learned from before. Also typing in chat 100+ times in one game instead of simply playing just makes it worse, there's no need to talk so much, you should have just muted Jax and moved on and report him if he really was toxic.

No I never got any of those chat restrictions. After 3 years+ I got my first chat restriction which was a 25 game one. I guess things added up over time? Then the 14 day one was the newborn squirrel jungler joking one. And then the perm ban was what you seen. I never went out and harassed ppl or anything though. I only spoke what to do when spoken to in a toxic way saying what i did wrong/i suck etc. I see it as defense. But I guess noone else does.

RedTao3 votes

im sorry to say but Riot considers defending yourself to be toxic behavior... im sorry. you fell for the dumb trap that almost half the other people who get banned for fall for.

TrulyBland4 votes

No, it's not. Retaliation is bannable. If you want to defend yourself, use the mute button. That's the ultimate defense at your disposal. If you just want to defend your pride and your ego, on the other hand, well... you can even do that. I constantly do it (something I'm trying to fix). But even then, you don't have to retaliate.

"OMFG 0/10, you suck!" Defense: "Yeah, and 20 assists... I'm a support, you know?" Retaliation: "So what, you're 0/9 you dumbfuck!"

It's not that complicated. Your life/health is not in danger, your valuables are not in danger, you are not in danger (and nobody else is, either). And if you were in such a situation in real life, you could not cite self defense for anything you do. If you break the law trying to "defend" yourself, even though there is no perceived or real danger, it's going to be considered vigilantism and you'll be punished.

If you consider this a "dumb trap", you should probably inform yourself about how the law works or you might get into bigger trouble than getting banned in a video game.

LinkSombrio1 votes

Retaliation is asking team to group or we lose and saying report jax after every insult/slur? okay.

TrulyBland4 votes

Telling others to report jax is ultimately a form of harassment. Even if you didn't know it only takes one report to work, there was no need to repeat it. And even if we ignore the controversial grey areas, please explain to me what the purpose of the following line was:

Voday: enjoy ban jax..

LinkSombrio1 votes

I said report jax/enjoy report jax after every single racist/homophobic slur he made. Anytime I said ENJOY BAN it was after he would tell me or nami to kill ourself. Because that is ban worthy.

TrulyBland3 votes

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Again though: Why did you say it? What was your intention behind it? What purpose did it serve?

LinkSombrio1 votes

Because I figured if I said it he would realize he's risking his account to make death threats and slurs. And I replied with enjoy report/ban because I thought that would be a reply thats fine as long as I didn't insult back. Because riot is so vague about anything you can say.

TrulyBland2 votes

There are less passive aggressive ways of informing somebody they're risking their account than "enjoy your ban" or calling for reports. Are you trying to say you didn't say "enjoy your ban" with the intention of being passive aggressive?

LinkSombrio1 votes

No that isn't what passive aggressive is. And it seems to think you and riot do, and that's just assuming things. Maybe if I put like a ;) face at the end of it it would be. But I was saying enjoy ban when he said kill yourself. Because thats what would happen & I wasn't gonna reply with an insult. Obviously I could have said nothing at all and ignored it, but I didn't, but even then it's nothing severe. In no other fucking platform or game would you get banned for that.

TrulyBland2 votes

Your Argument started with: "It's not passive aggressive" Went over to "But he said worse things" To "It wasn't an Insult" To "Yeah, there were better ways to deal with it but this one wasn't that bad" To "Nobody else bans for that"

That style of argumentation is all the proof I need that you know exactly what you did wrong (even though you will likely deny that), so I won't further try to explain it. Next time be the bigger person and just ignore them; either with your own willpower or with the help of the mute function.

Voday2 votes

Truly an idiot just like riot. I said there was something else I could have said, but it shouldn't have mattered. Then I said if I it was considered sort of bad, even then it doesn't deserve a ban. it's fine though. got it right back ;)

ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

Truly an idiot just like riot. I said there was something else I could have said, but it shouldn't have mattered. Then I said if I it was considered sort of bad, even then it doesn't deserve a ban. it's fine though. got it right back ;)

  1. Retaliation has never been okay. You can defend yourself so long as it's done in a neutral or positive manner. If you're yelling and raging at someone, it's not you defending yourself, it's just you being a jerk. From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

  1. Riot has ways of tracking peoples smurf accounts you know, so using another account to call people idiots and such is a quick way to get all of your accounts in trouble rather than just the account that you used to throw out insults on.
RedTao3 votes

To Riot, defending yourself and retaliation are the same things. If someone says "you suck" and you say "Im trying", that's defending yourself. To say anything in response to someone else's comment that even implies "you're wrong" is considered defending yourself. I can give you the copy/paste reply that Riot gave me saying that defending yourself is a punishable offense if you'd like.

Im not trying to say that you're wrong. Just that your definition of defending yourself is not the same as Riot's definition. Regardless of the form it takes, it's a punishable offense.

Im also not trying to imply that you are dumb for falling for the "Dumb trap" that is self defense. It's just that Riot's stance on defending yourself against comments is so broad that anything that says that the accuser is wrong is considered defending yourself.

TrulyBland3 votes

{quoted}

I can give you the copy/paste reply that Riot gave me saying that defending yourself is a punishable offense if you'd like.

Please do.

RedTao1 votes

http://prnt.sc/ch7b2u

There you go. Said by Wobbly Jibbler.

TrulyBland4 votes

And doesn't say anywhere that defending yourself is a punishable offense. He just says that it's not your responsibility to defend yourself; in other words defending yourself is not a valid excuse for otherwise punishable behaviour.

RedTao1 votes

When have you ever heard of someone defending themselves that didn't invovle behavior that someone found offensive?

TrulyBland2 votes

I do it, very frequently, even. Focus on yourself and you can easily defend yourself. Just don't attack the other person.

Want an example? "OMG, you're 3/10, noob!" "3/10/20. I'm a support, I don't need kills"

That's defending yourself. Without attacking the person that attacked you. Without retaliation.

RedTao1 votes

Because the response encourages negative behavior to continue, it's a reportable offense. Im sorry.

ModPrandine2 votes

{quoted}

Because the response encourages negative behavior to continue, it's a reportable offense. Im sorry.

If they continue on with the negative behavior even after that then just mute them and don't try to continue on. By doing so you won't be tempted to talk back to them and give them what they want: a negative response that would bring you down with them.

TrulyBland1 votes

And how exactly does it do that?

Besides... that's still not the same as offending somebody. And it's still not what that Rioter said, meaning you still have no source for your claim that this is Riot's stance.

RedTao1 votes

Someones being toxic, person talks to them regarding toxicity, person reacts in toxic manner, instead of muting toxic player he/she continues to get reactions out of toxic player. Essentially "Feeding the troll" logic.

you're correct, it's not the same as offending someone. I never said that it was.

Wobbly Jibbler says it's not our responsibility to defend ourselves. Why bother saying this unless there were reprecussions for doing so? You have countless threads here with people defending themselves against players. Granted not in the most civil of ways, but in doing so they're considered toxic players. "It doesnt matter who started it or who provoked you.". So no matter what, if you defend yourself, you will be punished.

TrulyBland1 votes

But I'm disputing the fact that it's a toxic reply. You can't say "it's toxic because it provokes people, and it provokes people because it's toxic". That's circular logic.

Feeding a troll is vastly different from what I'm suggesting. A troll just wants a reaction... Flamers do not necessarily work that way; and you can't really tell whether they do before trying to talk to them.

Wobbly Jibbler said it's not our responsibility to defend ourselves because it doesn't protect you from repercussions. It's exactly how you said it:

"It doesnt matter who started it or who provoked you."

That means what matters is what you say. And if what you say is acceptable, then defending yourself is also acceptable.

Is it acceptable to say "I have 20 assists"? Yes? Then it's also acceptable to reply in such a manner to somebody pointing out your low K/D. Is it acceptable to tell somebody "go fuck yourself"? No? Then it's also not acceptable as a reply to somebody who flames you.

RiotRiot Tantram25 votes

You actually had 2x10 game chat restrictions, a 25-game chat restriction and a 14-day ban.

Your 14-day ban gave you 3 games of evidence, not a single game of jungler joking.

Threatening people with reports is harassment, especially considering it is one of your 'go to' things to do. I looked over your last 20 or so games, and it is present in almost every one. The chat log given in your evidence is automated, and your normal behavior is worse than is highlighted.

This of course isn't your only account, and you have many additional punishments beyond what I've outlined. Remember, the overwhelming majority of players never receive any sort of punishment .. not even a single game of chat restriction. In order to receive multiple punishments, you are obviously doing something the community does not feel is acceptable. I would encourage you to take these punishments as a learning opportunity.

If you're not having fun with League and it is causing a lot of frustration, there are other games out there.

VoidStaresBack4 votes

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