Why is this community so soft?

PageSideRageSide·Nov 24, 2015·4 votes·1,677 views

Am I the only person who grew up on halo? with headsets? where the enemy team could yell profanities at you as they came through and rekt your whole squad? What happened to those days? What happened to the days where gaming was competitive and people enjoyed talking a little friendly trash? This community, on a massive scale, is filled with people who can't handle the competitive nature of a pvp video game. Yes you heard that right, there are video games where you can go play in a field with unicorns under a rainbow and catch butterflies and no one will ever kill you or call you a noob. Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I don't see the fuss in getting all riled up over what people type or say online. Yea go ahead, call my mom a whore and tell me that I suck a three foot horse dick.... that's your opinion, and I FUCKING RESPECT IT :)

"Can you show me on this doll where the internet hurt you?"

30 Comments

Crowe StalkerNov 24, 201511 votes

In case you forgot, people in the US could work two full time (40 hours a week) dead-end jobs for minimum wage on government support and still be unable to support themselves, much less support their families, see a doctor or improve their outlook on life. This is ignoring any personal issues such as being unable to see friends, family, having relationship issues, mental health problems, worrying about keeping their job, worrying about politics, just to name a few.

Most people do not want to play a game (in which the goal is universally to relax or escape from your problems) to have some ten year old tell us they fucked our mothers and to go kill ourselves because we aren't Diamond III Smurfs that are crushing our opponents or feeding literally every kill to our ADC/Mid/Riven.

It's about respect. there are things probably going on in that person's life you can't even imagine, chances are they don't need you being an asshole*-even if it is a joke to you-*to make their lives any worse.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20152 votes

I agree, and to be fair, single player is always more relaxing than PvP games, but I would strongly encourage people to reach out if they're feeling not good about their lives! I run a nonprofit in Denver with my best friend. It's only a small time side project for us, as we both have full time jobs, but it's called LoveIsRevolution. And it's all about making people feel better about themselves and their life. Love is the glue that binds humanity.

SirsirNov 25, 20152 votes

To be fair League isn't really a game you play to 'relax.' The game is about as relaxing as the knife game. I have a personal rule where I don't play games solo after 9:30, so I can play some other games to relax myself before bed.

JARmatesNov 24, 20156 votes

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Am I the only person who grew up on halo? with headsets? where the enemy team could yell profanities at you as they came through and rekt your whole squad? What happened to those days? What happened to the days where gaming was competitive and people enjoyed talking a little friendly trash? This community, on a massive scale, is filled with people who can't handle the competitive nature of a pvp video game. Yes you heard that right, there are video games where you can go play in a field with unicorns under a rainbow and catch butterflies and no one will ever kill you or call you a noob. Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I don't see the fuss in getting all riled up over what people type or say online. Yea go ahead, call my mom a whore and tell me that I suck a three foot horse dick.... that's your opinion, and I FUCKING RESPECT IT :)

"Can you show me on this doll where the internet hurt you?"

I understand where your coming from but you also have to realize a lot of the people that grew up in halo and talk trash (myself included) are all fully mature by now. That was a decade ago. I don't even talk trash anymore.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20154 votes

Solid point, couldn't agree more. And I do feel as though League is one of those games with a higher median user age than say Halo or CoD. Maybe the more mature player base is just over the trash talking, might not be a bad thing.

MugyvrNinjaNov 24, 20154 votes

I agree

SmokedAlmondsNov 24, 20154 votes

I think you are misunderstanding peoples position. Some certainly are "soft" or that they seriously affected by others words. That is not everyone and in my experience not even most. Most people can handle it, they just have no interest in doing so. Its a game, people do it for entertainment, to enjoy themselves.

I played halo, I yelled at more than my fair share of people and groups leading raids in WoW. But there is a time and a place. Not everyone wants that. Just because some communities tolerate, accept, or encourage certain behavior doesn't mean that everyone has to or even should.

TLDR; its not always about being hurt, its just about the experience people want.

RandomoniumNov 24, 20154 votes

Its not that we can't handle it, its that we choose not to accept it.

DrCyanideNov 25, 20154 votes

There's "a little friendly trash talk", then there's what gets you reported for. Fun fact: it's not trash talk if you're directing it to your teammates.

Teemo saying "whoops! did I do that?" in all chat when someone dies to a shroom while escaping is friendly trash talk.

outliving38Nov 24, 20153 votes

i got suspended 14 days for saying a few lines of bm :/, this game isnt fun anymore w/o bm, bm is life and they nerfed it to the ground all because 10y/o cry babies libtards cant handle words/mute, theres a mute button but i guess the children win this one

EvilDustManNov 24, 20154 votes

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i got suspended 14 days for saying a few lines of bm :/, this game isnt fun anymore w/o bm, bm is life and they nerfed it to the ground all because 10y/o cry babies libtards cant handle words/mute, theres a mute button but i guess the children win this one

No, you got a 14 day ban for not taking the hint when you got chat restrictions. And with you keep up this attitude, you'll probably get banned.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20152 votes

Noob is VERY bad word. And people in this community are so quick to refuse advice and keep playing "their own way", it's fairly enlightening. I mean let's be honest, the fact that you can't even deny creeps in this game, clearly purports that the game is constructed for a very heavy base of noob players with zero will to ever improve their level of play.

EvilDustManNov 24, 20153 votes

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Noob is VERY bad word. And people in this community are so quick to refuse advice and keep playing "their own way", it's fairly enlightening. I mean let's be honest, the fact that you can't even deny creeps in this game, clearly purports that the game is constructed for a very heavy base of noob players with zero will to ever improve their level of play.

This was the attitude I was talking about.

iluvalarNov 24, 20152 votes

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tell me that I suck a three foot horse dick....

We both know you don't have what it takes and will never have. Too weak, too scared

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20151 votes

Well I did suck a three foot horse dick once, then the acid wore off and I pulled my fist out of my mouth and cried for a lil while

Colgate GatorNov 24, 20152 votes

Because we have no obligation to put up with the results ofwhatever dysfunctional life you may have to think it's okay to talk to people like that.

Learn to behave like a normal human being.

PageSideRageSideNov 25, 20151 votes

Hehe scroll up a few posts, it sounds like the sensitive ones are the ones leading a dysfunctional life, my ducks are all in a row and I'm happier than I've ever been, I climbed two 14ers this summer with my girlfriend and I just got a promotion at work. And I think too many people are taking this thread to mean I wanna yell profanities at people, not the case at all, I'm just kinda tired of playing a video game where less than 1% of players actively communicate with their team. You are more likely to get reported for trying to rally the troops than you are for ignoring your whole team and just feeding..... Just saying....

AkeneroNov 24, 20152 votes

Download curse Its the exact same :3

VianciNov 24, 20151 votes

As JARmates said. I didn't grow up with the head set trash talk (nice abbreviation - hstt :D ) but i know what you mean, we used to do it but when playing outside, with friends. The point is you don't know who is behind the screen - we don't give a crap about what anyone says but some might do. You probably had a situation when you had a bad day and then something small (like a cat meowing) flipped your switch and you had an outburst. Worse things can happen with insecure people so let's stay safe with that. That being said - voice chat would be good for some friendly toxicity between friends.

AlekosTheSpoonNov 24, 20151 votes

is just a fu**ing game...i agree :)

PentchNov 24, 20151 votes

Its different on league because they are actually trying to shape their community and make it nice.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20151 votes

I probably should have prefaced all of this with "For a guy who takes video games pretty seriously, I spend the majority of my time at Phish (and other) concerts doing acid and giving out free hugs"

TeCoolMageNov 24, 20151 votes

The problem is these things are associated with profanity and if it were not there would be no profanity, the entire point of Riot's influence on the LoL community is to show they take summoner's rift as seriously as a basketball court or soccer field.

If all sports were traditionally played while wearing masks in the ancient times, what we have today in computer games would be what we'd have in almost any activity. It's a goal for almost all game developers to defy the larger web culture of tolerating verbal abuse and make an impact on how people treat each other ingame.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20151 votes

Just to use your basketball analogy, I'm going to describe a typical League experience... So you're at the park playing a 5v5 pickup game, both teams start playing, and you notice that one of your teammates get the ball stolen from him every time someone passes it to him. His turnovers end up accounting for over half of the other teams points. No big deal right, we are all here to have fun. Maybe next game will be different. Next game, new teammates, things are looking good, there's a super tall black guy on your team. Wow what a game, your team is up by 20 points! Oh wait what's that? The tall black guy just fainted and the other team says no subs allowed. They end up beating you by 1 point.....

SirsirNov 25, 20151 votes

Am I the only person who grew up on halo?

Halo and CoD are widely regarded as having utter cesspools of the worst slime that passes for himanity imaginable for a fanbase. That doesn't justify any lesser toxicity in any way.

What happened to the days where gaming was competitive and people enjoyed talking a little friendly trash?

friendly trash?

Theres so much straight up toxicity in this game that you don't really expect 'friendly' trashtalk, just straight up BM. Especially if you are tilting. And its online so you can't really tell if its friendly or not...

PageSideRageSideNov 25, 20151 votes

Very true, I think perception is key to everything, I'm learning to scale back my jokes, but in my reality, it's all about having a fun gaming experience, and when someone comes over all chat after I failed a gank and pokes some fun at it, it only makes me smile and try harder the next time haha

fatherdariusNov 25, 20151 votes

OP wrote: "Why is this community so soft?"

Overconsumption of carbohydrates and not enough exercise would be my guess. Well, at least that's the reason why I'm so soft.

fatherdarius: Is built like Gragas . YMMV :D

ModPrandineNov 24, 2015

There's trash talking, and then there's flat out bashing/inappropriateness. This is a game that people play for fun, and the majority of us don't want to have to put up with people who think that it's perfectly acceptable to rage and spew insults and hate speech at others when thing don't go their way. It's also important to remember that what might be okay and acceptable in your circle of friends isn't necessarily acceptable with other random people. Even in professional sports (both regular and Esports) the moment you start bringing insults and the like into the picture is when you've crossed the line and have gone too far.

What allot of people don't seem to understand is that times change. It might have been acceptable to rage constantly online to random strangers back then, but it's not acceptable to do so today. To me I feel that the people who think that being a jerk is and should be perfectly acceptable are in a state of denial and are too focused on/buried in the past to see the future ahead of them. If they would look at the here and now then chances are they might understand why the behavior considered acceptable in the past isn't acceptable now. If they refuse to do so then that's their problem, not ours.

TL;DR It's not a matter of "being soft", being a "10 year old white knight" or whatever other excuse banned troll ragers like to come up with, it's simply a matter of common sense. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face then you shouldn't say it online. Times have changed and the majority of people don't want to play with or against people who enjoy raging at others when things don't go their way. It is definitely possible to communicate with others without being a jerk-you just have to put in the actual effort to do so.

PageSideRageSideNov 24, 20151 votes

What do you mean "when things aren't going their way"? I'm talking about people like Dunkey, that like to make jokes and talk smack when they are dominating. I haven't had much of a difficult time picking this game up, been playing for less than six months and was placed into silver. But with that in mind, how is it toxic in any way shape or form, to poke fun at a game? I'm talking about comments like "(in all chat)hey tahm you're gonna hafta try harder than that if you want these goodies ;)" and to be fair, that exact comment got me reported one game..... Please help me understand how that is offensive....

ModPrandineNov 25, 2015

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What do you mean "when things aren't going their way"? I'm talking about people like Dunkey, that like to make jokes and talk smack when they are dominating. I haven't had much of a difficult time picking this game up, been playing for less than six months and was placed into silver. But with that in mind, how is it toxic in any way shape or form, to poke fun at a game? I'm talking about comments like "(in all chat)hey tahm you're gonna hafta try harder than that if you want these goodies ;)" and to be fair, that exact comment got me reported one game..... Please help me understand how that is offensive....

What you don't seem to understand is that what you may see as simply "poking fun" may be taken as harassment by others, especially depending on the situation of the game at that point. Also, since you've brought Dunkey into this, Lyte talked about that 2 months ago:

**What do you think about vgdunkey's ban? **

It's really unfortunate. Many Rioters love Dunkey's content, and I've unloaded my share of "Not even close babyyyyy" jokes around the office; however, we really can't show favoritism to someone just because they are a pro or a known content creator. This isn't really a debate about whether trashtalking is OK or not OK in games; we've talked a lot in the past about how we're OK with players bantering with their friends but you should be careful when interacting with strangers who may not understand your intentions--especially if you're using hate speech or slurs. We have a zero tolerance policy against hate speech, racism, homophobia, and sexism and that policy stands whether you're a random player, a pro player, or a Youtube celebrity. This also really wasn't a case about intentional feeders and whether it's OK to be toxic towards other toxic players--there wasn't even a Malphite in the game that got him banned and either way, retaliation just isn't OK because it makes the experience worse for everyone else in the game. We know that players have been asking us to be more aggressive against intentional feeders for awhile, and it has taken us a bit longer than we'd like. We do consider gameplay toxicity just as serious as verbal toxicity, and are launching a new Intentional Feeder Detection system in 5.18 that can ban feeders within 15 minutes of matches. We're starting with conservative settings to make sure the system would not ban players for having the rare bad game, even if it was a 0-10 type of bad game but this is a great first step to aggressively tackling intentional feeders. At the end of the day, this incident sucks for everyone. We respect that Dunkey hasn't posted his Reform Card, and I'm not going to post it either. Best wishes to him in the future.