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Discontent With RIOT's Suspension System

Collin Cancer··3 votes·806 views

Firstly, i'm not looking for an unban like many others that post this same thread, I just want a little insight or clarification on the whole "no tolerance" policy. Edit: Please read the entire post before telling me that I deserve my 14 day or whatever, that's not what this is about.

Overall i'm pretty cool headed when it comes to league of legends games, however when the new champion Zoe came out, I had the misfortune of facing her in mid lane with a champion I had no idea how to play. Throughout most of the game (from what I can recall) I was being flamed for complaining about how Zoe is busted (which is, I admit, a pretty dumb statement). However, because I wasn't the only one flaming in that game at all, and I reported the two people that were flaming me, why am I the only one suffering punishment? I've reported toxic people in the past, and whenever one gets banned I get a notification, but I got no notification for either of the toxic players in that game.

So i'd like to know a couple things:

  1. Is this game the only game I was punished for?
  2. Why is there an immediate 14 day suspension after one mishap- even without warning?
  3. What, if any, words in the log classify as hate speech?

I see that the FAQ for suspensions states that all offensive behavior is subject to punishment, but why a 14 day ban for one game? Wouldn't a chat ban make more sense? I know several people that do more than what I did and they get punished less.

This guy got a chat restriction for being toxic throughout 3 games This guy got a suspension for hate speech (%%%got) There are a bunch of people here discussing their general discontent towards the report system, worth a read.

All in all, in my opinion, RIOT doesn't actually review the history of any given player before banning them. A one time offense ban is extremely harsh, especially for someone that invests time in League of Legends (and gives them money). Many people disagree with how RIOT proceeds with suspensions, and i'm sure the system could use a change or two. Alright i'm done rambling [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] Thanks for reading, peeps

Chat Log: >Game 1 > Collin Cancer: why are you fucked? > Collin Cancer: fuck that champ > Collin Cancer: that's actually fucking retardedly annoying > Collin Cancer: there's literally no counter play to her stun because it comes out at the speed of fucking light > Collin Cancer: how are you supposed to dodge that shit > Collin Cancer: Wow > Collin Cancer: Just fucking wow > Collin Cancer: I honestly give up > Collin Cancer: Zoe is too fucking broken > Collin Cancer: gj > Collin Cancer: dude fuck off > Collin Cancer: I need these kills stop trying to steal shit > Collin Cancer: welcome to zoe does broken amounts of damage down > Collin Cancer: how's your stay? > Collin Cancer: how THE FUCK > Collin Cancer: do you DODGE THAT SHIT > Collin Cancer: yeah that ult wasn't a good idea > Collin Cancer: she does damage even if she's behind > Collin Cancer: she's broken > Collin Cancer: i was texting, asshole > Collin Cancer: *cuz zoe's broken af > Collin Cancer: if you wanna fucking try and play zoe go ahead > Collin Cancer: i'm fucking permabanning that shit > Collin Cancer: Don't blame me for losing lane to this op piece of shit > Collin Cancer: wow he does fuck tons of damage > Collin Cancer: yup. > Collin Cancer: fuck off %%%% > Collin Cancer: don't care > Collin Cancer: eat a dick > Collin Cancer: sure bud > Collin Cancer: let me go through menopause first There are no more games posted in the ban notification I received.

40 Comments

DapperMole3 votes

I'm going to assume your team pissed you off (possibly more than zoe). Even if you said things like "eat a dick" or "fuck off", I really think you deserved a chat ban more than a 2 week ban.

Collin Cancer1 votes

Oh yeah, my team tilted me big time. I got flamed for dying to her twice.

General Esdeath 3 votes

one time offense ban is extremely harsh, especially for someone that invests time in League of Legends (and gives them money)

Now imagine if we said "Well you spent a lot of money at Walmart so it's OK to kill that cashier" Spending money to get out of punishment is a quick way to kill your game.

Many people disagree with how RIOT proceeds with suspensions, and i'm sure the system could use a change or two.

Many toxic banned players* FTFY

Collin Cancer1 votes

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Now imagine if we said "Well you spent a lot of money at Walmart so it's OK to kill that cashier" Spending money to get out of punishment is a quick way to kill your game.

Many toxic banned players* FTFY

You seemed to have missed the entire point of this thread

nerak232 votes

[{quoted}](name=Collin Cancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HozvHLNH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-07T21:33:48.501+0000)

You seemed to have missed the entire point of this thread

The important thing to understand now is your next punishment is a permanent one.

So be aware for the near future your going to have to be Very careful. The smallest of broken rules and Riot can perma you. GL, try to listen to the advice while you can.

General Esdeath 1 votes

No I got the point, you think that because you spent money it's OK to break the rules and you think someone being upset with getting banned over hate speech is the same as someone who thinks "It's not fair that that random guy was banned".

Collin Cancer1 votes

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No I got the point, you think that because you spent money it's OK to break the rules and you think someone being upset with getting banned over hate speech is the same as someone who thinks "It's not fair that that random guy was banned".

I haven't spent any money, I was speaking for the crowd

General Esdeath 1 votes

"because you" applies to anyone here.

pizzapants2 votes

Thing is, doesn't matter what type of ban or punishment you received. Problem is that you said those things throughout the whole game. It is unnecessary and could tilt your own teammates. You shouldn't have to complain with a negative manner about new champs you face.

Tacticx2 votes

I don’t care what people say, RIOT is ruining this game by how they punish people, it’s extremely unfair how they discard a player that spends money and time playing the game, I understand that hate speech is a banning offense, but getting mad and expressing yourself should not be a ban, I’m starting to think Riot owns these company’s that sell accounts. The banning system is completely broken, they ban players that have played this game for 5+ years like it ain’t nothing. I wonder if they would do that if they didn’t get to where they are now? Seems like they forget who made them successful, and anyone that believes that it’s only .9% of the community that gets toxic needs a reality check, I really hope Riot reconsider their punishing system, if you watch how these pro players with thousands of followers act on twitch, they are toxic they curse and talk shit and riot still backs them up. These people curse on live stream and talk shit about their team exposing the tags of their teams and riot does nothing. What’s the difference?

Collin Cancer1 votes

I completely agree, one little misstep and you're banned for 2 weeks. There could be a little more thought put into the suspension system to keep players happy (and maybe a warning will prevent them from calling people names anyhow).

Magical Player8 votes

Keeping players happy is what they're doing you spouted hate speech off hate speech= 0 tolerance instant 14 day punishment if reported

So I don't believe they need to change their procedure at all Nobody cares how much or how little you spend on this game. Thinking money= a bad idea 14 day ban, take it as a hard lesson, that hate speech is unacceptable if not riot will help you out the door

Collin Cancer1 votes

What did I say that was hate speech? That was one of the biggest points of this post.

Magical Player4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Collin Cancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HozvHLNH,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T05:19:33.258+0000)

What did I say that was hate speech? That was one of the biggest points of this post.

Collin Cancer: fuck off %%%%

My guess is some homophobic remark

Collin Cancer1 votes

It says the vulgar word for a female's, genitals and as far as I know, that's not a homophobic remark.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Collin Cancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HozvHLNH,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T14:03:59.126+0000)

It says the vulgar word for a female's, genitals and as far as I know, that's not a homophobic remark.

Homophobic, no. But it's a crass sexual vulgarity with severe sexist overtones, and that tends to earn escalated punishments.

Jo0o1 votes

Most people I know would consider it to go beyond having sexist overtones. It's a full-fledged slur, a reduction of women down to their genitalia that carries incredible vitriol.

It's a bit of an oddity in that it carries surprisingly different weights in different parts of the world (Australians seem to use it interchangeably with commas =P), but in most places including the USA, it's one of the worst things you can say. Network TV shows won't even allude to it, and a public figure using it is about as big a scandal as them using more common racial or homophobic slurs.

Collin Cancer1 votes

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Most people I know would consider it to go beyond having sexist overtones. It's a full-fledged slur, a reduction of women down to their genitalia that carries incredible vitriol.

It's a bit of an oddity in that it carries surprisingly different weights in different parts of the world (Australians seem to use it interchangeably with commas =P), but in most places including the USA, it's one of the worst things you can say. Network TV shows won't even allude to it, and a public figure using it is about as big a scandal as them using more common racial or homophobic slurs.

Where I'm from it's used interchangeably with basically every word in the dictionary, so in my eyes it's actually not that bad. I could understand the vulgarity to it, though.

RedPannda2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HozvHLNH,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T14:40:30.348+0000)

Homophobic, no. But it's a crass sexual vulgarity with severe sexist overtones, and that tends to earn escalated punishments.

I'm not defending OP but just clarifying that that is only really true in America. At least from what I have seen the word has a much less derogatory view of the word, it is often used in friendly banter. And if we are being scientific about it how is it an more or less crass than using the word "dick"? Both refer to the core sexual anatomy of the the human. And yet dick has become a nothingburger used in casual conversation worldwide.

It is only our latent christian culture here in america that has kept such words on the no no list and I feel that in 10 to 20 years "c**t" will lose its shameful status and become as commonplace as other less inflammatory words. But this is an american gaming company and that is the current culture we are in so I understand why it is held to a higher standard.

I just hope one day we as humans can realize that putting any word on the naughty list just increases its power to do damage tenfold.

Jo0o3 votes

My take on it is that slurs carry weight somewhat relative to the oppression that the group they refer to have suffered. White males being the most advantaged group in America, "dick" or "cracker" is never going to carry anywhere near the sting that the n-word or c-word would.

Please note that I'm not trying to inject some sort of neo-feminism into the discussion. Male genitalia in imagery has been a source of power across countless societies and civilizations since the invention of art and language.

I agree that, in a perfect world, words don't carry power to do damage. I acknowledge that putting them on a "naughty list" CAN increase their power. However, I don't think the solution is to simply stop acknowledging the power of slurs, at least not yet. Don't forget, while the most they can do in a game of League is disturb and upset somebody, slurs are also rallying cries for violence and inequality, used to dehumanize the minority group. I don't think mankind is at the point where we can just shrug them off.

RedPannda1 votes

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My take on it is that slurs carry weight somewhat relative to the oppression that the group they refer to have suffered. White males being the most advantaged group in America, "dick" or "cracker" is never going to carry anywhere near the sting that the n-word or c-word would.

Please note that I'm not trying to inject some sort of neo-feminism into the discussion. Male genitalia in imagery has been a source of power across countless societies and civilizations since the invention of art and language.

I agree that, in a perfect world, words don't carry power to do damage. I acknowledge that putting them on a "naughty list" CAN increase their power. However, I don't think the solution is to simply stop acknowledging the power of slurs, at least not yet. Don't forget, while the most they can do in a game of League is disturb and upset somebody, slurs are also rallying cries for violence and inequality, used to dehumanize the minority group. I don't think mankind is at the point where we can just shrug them off.

Only white men have penises. The things you learn here never cease to amaze me.

Jo0o1 votes

Come on, that's clearly not what I meant.

RedPannda1 votes

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Come on, that's clearly not what I meant.

Than why did you say this?

White males being the most advantaged group in America, "dick"

Jo0o1 votes

Dude, I'm respectfully engaging in a thoughtful discussion with you. Can you perhaps extend the courtesy of a basic assumption that I'm not asserting that only white men have dicks? I'm attempting to address several dimensions of how slurs work all at once, so if I tripped over my words a bit, I apologize. But you're kinda grinding this talk to a halt here.

RedPannda1 votes

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Dude, I'm respectfully engaging in a thoughtful discussion with you. Can you perhaps extend the courtesy of a basic assumption that I'm not asserting that only white men have dicks? I'm attempting to address several dimensions of how slurs work all at once, so if I tripped over my words a bit, I apologize. But you're kinda grinding this talk to a halt here.

Fine then can we agree to stop giving special privileges to certain words because they are attributed to certain demographics?

I'll gladly take being called a c**t if it meant I was immune to the draft.

How about misplaced white guilt being the only thing making the "N" word so powerful. The rest of the world doesn't have these hang ups and their societies are not falling apart because of it. No one is having mental breakdowns and forming million x marches because they were called a mean thing on the internet. That is only happening here in america because we have fermented a new generation that gives massive societal power to words on a computer screen.

While we ignore the true ills of society going on all around us in the real world. We tilt at windmills of hate speech and misogyny while we ignore the homeless and veterans and hand our kids over to the government to "educate" them while we work ourselves into early graves just to live a mediocre standard of living.

Why don't we spend less time educating young black women about the power of being strong independent women who don't need no man and more time educating them on birth control and the cost of making life altering decisions in their youth so maybe we can stop the insane demographics of single black mothers. Which would have a knock on effect of having less boys growing up without male role models instead of having to turn to gangs and suddenly we are combating the welfare state and inner city violence in one fell swoop.

We spend so much energy and time trying to stamp out the cockroaches crawling among the shadows while we have a bull charging horns first right at us that we ignore. I would much rather be talking about the issues of the game instead of having debates about whose feelings someone hurt. But we can't do that because feelings have become more important than reality now.

nerak231 votes

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Fine then can we agree to stop giving special privileges to certain words because they are attributed to certain demographics?

I'll gladly take being called a c**t if it meant I was immune to the draft.

How about misplaced white guilt being the only thing making the "N" word so powerful. The rest of the world doesn't have these hang ups and their societies are not falling apart because of it. No one is having mental breakdowns and forming million x marches because they were called a mean thing on the internet. That is only happening here in america because we have fermented a new generation that gives massive societal power to words on a computer screen.

While we ignore the true ills of society going on all around us in the real world. We tilt at windmills of hate speech and misogyny while we ignore the homeless and veterans and hand our kids over to the government to "educate" them while we work ourselves into early graves just to live a mediocre standard of living.

Why don't we spend less time educating young black women about the power of being strong independent women who don't need no man and more time educating them on birth control and the cost of making life altering decisions in their youth so maybe we can stop the insane demographics of single black mothers. Which would have a knock on effect of having less boys growing up without male role models instead of having to turn to gangs and suddenly we are combating the welfare state and inner city violence in one fell swoop.

We spend so much energy and time trying to stamp out the cockroaches crawling among the shadows while we have a bull charging horns first right at us that we ignore. I would much rather be talking about the issues of the game instead of having debates about whose feelings someone hurt. But we can't do that because feelings have become more important than reality now.

Dude your crossing the line, your no longer talking about this game. It pretty offensive what your saying.

Jo0o1 votes

There are a million ways to make the world a better place, but they're not mutually exclusive.

I don't see why a refusal to accept hate speech being used in chat somehow precludes us from improvements to education, communication, crime, etc.

RedPannda1 votes

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Dude your crossing the line, your no longer talking about this game. It pretty offensive what your saying.

What did I say that was offensive? Don't throw words out there with no meaning. Using offensive as a catch all for ideas that you don't agree with is a weak argument. And nothing about this thread has been talking about the game specifically. This board is about player behavior, and I have been trying to make the point that we are focusing on the wrong types of misbehavior. If you want me to use in game examples instead of real world ones that is fine by me. I still think we spend an inordinate amount of time on what people say instead of what they do in game.

I would love a system that can scan the actions taken in game and make a judgement with some sort of context so we have less people getting away with "passive throwing" or people being unfairly banned because they were reported for trolling when in reality they just don't know what they are doing and are bad at the game.

RedPannda1 votes

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There are a million ways to make the world a better place, but they're not mutually exclusive.

I don't see why a refusal to accept hate speech being used in chat somehow precludes us from improvements to education, communication, crime, etc.

Because most of the world doesn't view the word "c..t" as hate speech. Why does a womans body parts hold a higher place in society than a mans? If it is acceptable to call someone a dick than it should also be acceptable to call someone a "c..t".

I am trying to be progressive here and remove archaic cultural taboos that unfairly place certain words on a pedestal above others.

Jo0o1 votes

Yeah, that's how it SHOULD be. But it's not how it is, at least not in the USA. A man screaming "You fucking c---!" at a woman sounds and feels different than a woman screaming "You fucking dick!" at a man. Bridging that gap isn't as simple as declaring to the world that the c-word no longer carries any weight.

Collin Cancer1 votes

This is everything I was going to argue, my man.

nerak231 votes

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What did I say that was offensive? Don't throw words out there with no meaning. Using offensive as a catch all for ideas that you don't agree with is a weak argument. And nothing about this thread has been talking about the game specifically. This board is about player behavior, and I have been trying to make the point that we are focusing on the wrong types of misbehavior. If you want me to use in game examples instead of real world ones that is fine by me. I still think we spend an inordinate amount of time on what people say instead of what they do in game.

I would love a system that can scan the actions taken in game and make a judgement with some sort of context so we have less people getting away with "passive throwing" or people being unfairly banned because they were reported for trolling when in reality they just don't know what they are doing and are bad at the game.

What does educating black women have to do with league and the other highly personal comments you just made.

I understand when you discuss which words you feel are subjective, but putting in all of that other opinions Can be offensive.

I didn't tell you I'm personally offended just that it has no place here. Imo

RedPannda1 votes

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Yeah, that's how it SHOULD be. But it's not how it is, at least not in the USA. A man screaming "You fucking c---!" at a woman sounds and feels different than a woman screaming "You fucking dick!" at a man. Bridging that gap isn't as simple as declaring to the world that the c-word no longer carries any weight.

Exactly, because we put women on a pedestal because of reasons and in the long term it harms both sexes. We have to start somewhere, if we hold certain words up as sacred cows that cannot be mentioned than that word will retain its power. Until we pull it down from there and reveal itself as being nothing more special than we aren't going to make any progress.

Using your example I don't think it is the words themselves that generate the uneven feelings but the context of who is speaking them.

Two women having an argument: "You fucking c--!" How does that one make you feel compared to envisioning a man yelling it to a woman? I bet it doesn't feel nearly as wrong.

What if it was two men, especially two foreign men from say scotland/ireland/australia? How would it feel than?

We feel like the first example is worse because it is a strong male talking down to a weaker woman. That is an evolutionary response hardwired into our brains that we cannot help. Logically we know that there is no difference between a man calling a woman a C and two women calling each other C's or two men. The word hasn't changed only the context of who is saying the word.

But what happens when sex/race/identity is removed by the anonymity of the internet? Why should that word retain its power when it doesn't even carry the same mental stigma weight that it might in the real world based off of the biological characteristics of the users?

I really don't know the answer to any of these questions, I just really like thinking about and talking about this kind of stuff. Why we react to things emotionally instead of logically when they don't even have major consequences to our daily lives. I mean no disrespect to anyone in this discussion, I am sorry if I came across as being hateful to anyone here. I just want to have meaningful dialog and try to broaden our ideas of what is ok or not ok because of cultural and societal standards.

RedPannda1 votes

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What does educating black women have to do with league and the other highly personal comments you just made.

I understand when you discuss which words you feel are subjective, but putting in all of that other opinions Can be offensive.

I didn't tell you I'm personally offended just that it has no place here. Imo

It didn't have to be educating black women, choose any societal issue of which I mentioned others. My point was I hate that we as a society waste so much time and energy debating piddly things and trying to stamp out mean words online when there are real, harmful things in our society that real people are suffering and dying for every day.

I would rather have the internet filled with a billion hitlers tweeting hate to everyone all day if we could solve real issues that affect people in their daily lives.

To make things equal how about the issue of white boys/men being the primary source of mass killings. What makes them more likely to shoot up their school than a black or latino or asian? Are we doing studies on it? Are we trying to find out if it has something to do with the different cultural upbringings of said boys? If we could answer those questions maybe we could try and figure out how to prevent such things from happening in the first place.

Stop getting hung up on my example and let's get back to the issue that in the last 5 or so years we have given certain words an inordinate amount of power that is only further causing divide among us.

nerak231 votes

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It didn't have to be educating black women, choose any societal issue of which I mentioned others. My point was I hate that we as a society waste so much time and energy debating piddly things and trying to stamp out mean words online when there are real, harmful things in our society that real people are suffering and dying for every day.

I would rather have the internet filled with a billion hitlers tweeting hate to everyone all day if we could solve real issues that affect people in their daily lives.

To make things equal how about the issue of white boys/men being the primary source of mass killings. What makes them more likely to shoot up their school than a black or latino or asian? Are we doing studies on it? Are we trying to find out if it has something to do with the different cultural upbringings of said boys? If we could answer those questions maybe we could try and figure out how to prevent such things from happening in the first place.

Stop getting hung up on my example and let's get back to the issue that in the last 5 or so years we have given certain words an inordinate amount of power that is only further causing divide among us.

I don't feel this is the place to do so friend.

RedPannda1 votes

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I don't feel this is the place to do so friend.

Fair enough, I probably should have stuck to league examples but it was just what came to mind at the time. I did pretty much derail the point of this thread though so I guess I should concede the issue for now.

Magical Player1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Collin Cancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HozvHLNH,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T14:03:59.126+0000)

It says the vulgar word for a female's, genitals and as far as I know, that's not a homophobic remark.

Others seem to have stayed in better words

Colgate Gator1 votes

It's fine if you are, just bear in mind that you were punished because enough people were discontent with your behavior.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Good luck. Haven't seen any hate speech/raging bans overturned in a while. Try player support if you swant reds clarification on your ban.

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