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Chat Restricted for asking the team to report a toxic player

Phalti··1 votes·2,374 views

Played a game with a Ryze who was Queued with other players. I was a duo bot. We played bot, didnt play that well but didnt play terrible. Left laning phase 4/4/x and 2/2/X. Ryze, our top laner starts flaming that we "inted mid". Even thought neither of died to mid and our mid was 1/10/X and he was 3/5/X Mid was clearly a duo/trio with this person. Thier mid was 7/1 at the time. Ryze continues to flame bot lane all game. Ping anytime we die, and even say "look they are dead in again" is situations were we didnt die. Eventually I get sick of it and ask in /all to report ryze as he was being super toxic. Even saying "our mid and jg have been chill all game".

Once the game is over we queue up for another game. I pinging and talking about an invade as I am playing Naut support and find I cant type because I have been chat restricted. This effected call outs and plays through the remainder of this game. I was chat restricted for asking the team to report a toxic player????? Please anybody from riot release the chat logs from that game. I was not Toxic and simply called ryze out for being toxic and asked he get reported for his behavior. I have a high honor level and regularly get honor as I compliment when the team does well. I dont understand why asking for assistance in reporting a toxic player should limit my ability to play in future games.

Can somebody please look into this report as it was clearly a Trio Queue who all reported me for calling out their toxic friend who suggested we inted mid. The enemy team's mid even confirms in chat we did not die to the ONCE early game.

You should not let troll groups control your report process and look into a game before chat restricting a player. I was chat restricted RIGHT away. Nobody could of possibly looked at this case in that time frame. It was a only 2 minutes after the game.

21 Comments

Otakon6 votes

One report or 9 flag the reported person in game. This means a few things.

Your asking for reports is little more than Validating your ego and creating drama.

The "clearly a trio reported you" means nothing as 1 or 9 reports have the same effect.

You're in denial. Period.

Also, the boards don't "look into games." Not what this place is for.

Phalti1 votes

People should not get punished for calling others out on negative behavior. This is a forum regarding playing behavior and this is a concern if players are getting punished for for calling out other's behavior. This forums guidelines say "This board is all about fostering a healthy community in which discussions can revolve around player behavior systems or in-game suspensions. This includes topics on how the systems work, insight into why players were punished, and advice to help players improve moving forward." This seems to be the exact place for this.

I don't think its a good mentality to think the aspect of calling people out for being unnecessarily toxic is "creating drama".

All that I asked is for people to report him for being toxic. The Ryze stated they were not being toxic and I repeated what they said. For exmaple "bot inted mid" him calling us trash. This is where their mid responded that we did not even die to them yet. Then the Ryze started spam pinging us and calling us bad and straight flaming. Later even leaving the game for a period of time.

This ended with me getting chat restricted and effecting my future games. I feel the system did not work properly here.

rujitra4 votes

It's completely your right to have that opinion. Riot and the vast majority of the community that think "calling out" is not acceptable behavior - and as such, it is punished. You are free to believe whatever you want about the rules being "bad" or "not proper". However, that does not change the fact that Riot does not base the rules around your desires - they base the rules around the majority of the community, who thinks that any form of "calling out" is not appropriate.

Calling out is by definition demeaning and toxic to other players. It does not matter why you're calling them out - if you think they're trolling, or toxic, or feeding, or whatever. You can use chat for team coordination and to "joke around" with banter - but if you're using chat to "call someone out" that's not acceptable.

Phalti2 votes

"'calling out' is not acceptable behavior"

They were claiming we were "inting" to a lane we died zero times to, called us trash, repeatedly spam pinged us, and even** left the game** at one point.

Calling this out is against the vast majority? All that I did was ask for people to report them as they were being toxic and ruining an otherwise super fun game. Even if this is the vast majority, this should not result in a Chat restriction. I was not being toxic in any way and just attempting to enjoy my game. I understand if not all people like this, but being punished seems to be a flawed system.

Think of real world applications for this. Should we suspend kids from school who stand up to bullies? Is it the right call to say addressing toxic behavior should be punished? I did not say anything negative towards ryze other than asking him to not put the blame soley in the bot lane. I get that not all people might like calling out toxic behavior as it can spread the toxic behavior to place it didnt originally effect, aka the other team. But its the punishment that makes no sense. I am negatively effected in future game because I asked a team to report a Toxic player who left the game? That's where I would like the discussion to be around as this does not break any guidelines of the summoner's code.

The summoners code released by riot states "Nobody's asking you to be perfect, but we do want you to, whenever possible, strive to uphold the same standards of behavior that you expect everyone else to maintain." How can you uphold any standards if you cannot address them? If people have a toxic teamate that is ruining their experience I would want them to tell me so that I can also report them. Hopefuilly this will prevent that same person from later showing up on my team expressing the same toxic behavior.

rujitra3 votes

Yes it is. Players do not want toxicity. If there is already toxicity from someone else, they do not want your toxicity added to it.

You were being toxic by calling them out. You don't have to agree - but those are the rules because that's what this community believes in - is not being negative/toxic no matter if someone else "started it". If you can't agree to those rules, you may wish to find another game to play.

Phalti1 votes

Please explain why calling somebody out for flaming and afking is toxic? I said nothing negative about them and their playstyle, just their behavior (including AFKING) and how it is negatively effecting the game.

How is asking to report a toxic, afk player, toxic????

This makes absolutely no sense.

rujitra4 votes

Toxic:

poisonous.

or

unpleasant, or harmful.

Behavior such as "calling out" is unpleasant for others to see. Nobody wants to see you attacking your teammates - that's not what chat is for. Furthermore, your abuse of chat by harassing others and calling them out is harmful to team coordination - teammates must try to chat around your toxic messages to have any communication with each other.

You don't have to agree it's toxic - but the fact is that it is toxic to a team to be continually "calling out" your teammates. It breaks down team coordination, it pits teammates against each other, and it prevents teamwork. That is the very definition of "poisonous" behavior.

Phalti2 votes

So to confirm according to you:

My teammate flamed, talked trash, spam pinged and left the game.

I asked a team to report them.

You then claim I am toxic.

This makes absolutely no sense and is a terrible stance for any community take and let alone punish. If you have a teammate who flames, spam pings, talks trash than afks. you don't want them reported? What is the point of a report system? This is what the report system was designed for.

My "calling out" is asking for a team to report a toxic player for toxic behavior. Not calling about a bad play. or a bad call or a play-style/pick. Your stance is the definition of victim blaming. Its my fault for calling out another's toxic behavior and I deserve to be punished because they broke the rules?

Riot provided me with the chat logs

Game 1 In-Game Velocious: we got bot tower first Velocious: our mid is feeding and you blame bot? Velocious: we didnt die to mid Velocious: at all Velocious: ?_? /all Velocious: also report our top. /all Velocious: hes duo with mid jg, and just is flaming our bot lane /all Velocious: saying we inted mid /all Velocious: did we even die to you kass? /all Velocious: just checking, thought i was crazy /all Velocious: plz report ryze /all Velocious: ? /all Velocious: now ryze afked lol /all Velocious: hes super mad at our bot for some reason /all Velocious: and idk why /all Velocious: mid and jg been chill all game, but they are clearly triple Q /all Velocious: this top is straight raging about a normal

Chat restricted.

Please note that my honor leveled dropped and I have lost rewards.

rujitra5 votes

You broke the rules. Please understand: nobody cares what they did when we are talking about your behavior. If they broke the rules, they’ll get punished.

You don’t get to be toxic just because they started it. You don’t get to be toxic at all. Period. Full stop. If you’re going to keep going back to their behavior then this discussion is moot because that does not matter. Their behavior does not justify yours nor does it change the rules you must follow.

Why do you even need to tell others to report them? Your one report is enough. More reports do nothing “extra”.

Phalti1 votes

I was actively talking back and forth with their team?

Their team was responding to me or I would of stopped at "please report ryze".

The chat logs dont show their Kass's chat. But this was a back and forth chat with their Kassadin. I understand where you are coming from but this wasn't a one side conversation. It wasn't me just spamming in /all and people asking me to stop. Me and the enemy Kass were legit enjoying this game just talking back and forth conversation and it is posted in the previous post.

My argument is not about their behavior. It is about my behavior. I was NOT being toxic and got punished for it.

rujitra3 votes

Again, it does not matter who else was participating. You don’t get to be toxic just because someone else is.

You did violate the rules, whether you think you did or not. Harassing another player by continually “calling out” or “discussing” their behavior is not acceptable in League. Period. It does not matter how many others you’re doing it with.

Phalti1 votes

Dude, I linked that Chat. I am not calling people out. I did nothing that breaks the rules. I didnt do any actions against the summoner's code. and I was punished. This is a forum to discuss the system and I think the system is flawed.

You say I broke the rules.

I say I did not break the rules.

Please link a rule in the summoner's code that broke. Why is asking to report a toxic afk player toxic? By your own definition "poisonous" -extremely unpleasant or malicious. Why do we as a community think it is unpleasant to punish behavior that detrimental to the game? Name one game with a person who left the game that you enjoyed?

OneMustFall3 votes

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Dude, I linked that Chat. I am not calling people out. I did nothing that breaks the rules. I didnt do any actions against the summoner's code. and I was punished. This is a forum to discuss the system and I think the system is flawed.

You say I broke the rules.

I say I did not break the rules.

Please link a rule in the summoner's code that broke. Why is asking to report a toxic afk player toxic? By your own definition "poisonous" -extremely unpleasant or malicious. Why do we as a community think it is unpleasant to punish behavior that detrimental to the game? Name one game with a person who left the game that you enjoyed?

https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/EE7d58Pu-dear-riotsome-clarification-please?comment=0007&show=flat

Riot Husker's response to the question of "Is asking for reports punishable?". The answer is yes.

Summoners Code:

Every person that we encounter is going to carry a different set of circumstances with them into the game, and therefore is going to have >a different level of tolerance for frustration. If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, >politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of >the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation.

Nowhere in there does it say you should start asking other players in game to report someone else. That would definitely be lowering yourself to their level as you are facilitating a toxic environment just as much as they are. Bottom line is it's negative behavior and punishable as clarified by Riot themselves. Case closed.

Phalti1 votes

"As always, the report system is a continually in development and will continue to evolve to be as useful as possible."

At this point it need to be evolve. Asking to report toxic, afk player should not be punished.

Kei1432 votes

So let's talk communication techniques and communicating is always a fine line between harassment and proper critic.

If you want to call someone out, let them know their actions are not cool. Instead, you are threatening others of their account's safety by announcing that you are reporting them and no one likes to be threatened.

I'm guessing that you are under the impression that punishments are dealt by report count within the game, which is why you asked for reports in the first place. But the act of rallying for reports is just the same has the same purpose as duo queue reports. What you displayed in this chat is exactly what you don't want.

Thankfully, the system doesn't care about report count per game. All a report does is to flag the system to review the game. The returned value (0 for nothing found, 100 if extreme toxicity was used) is the same regardless of how many reports was recieved within the same game. Meaning, it's useless for you to call for reports, and you don't need to worry about premades having more power than solos.

NF Remilia4 votes

Ok so first even if you call them out , what will you achieve? Nothing. Just report them after the game and thats it 1 report is more than enough and has power as 9. Theres absolutly 0 reason to call them out, since your report is gonna have same effect. Being toxic to them however puts you in the same position and u will be punished as same as they.

Phalti1 votes

I get that now. I had no clue that one report = 9 reports.

I still got punished, lowered honor and removed rewards for this.....

this is still a flawed system/mentality

Arammus2 votes

reading all the comments: everything got said. in very good details aswell.

the only thing that i didnt really see is this: just because someone is super toxic, doesnt mean its ok for you to be toxic aswell. the system judges a player on their behavior. not on what someone else did before.

Phalti1 votes

I will drop it at this point, I can see I am against the clear majority.

My issue is "is this worth punishing peoples honor level and effecting future games through a Chat restriction".

I posted my chat in another comment but what you cant see is the enemies team chat talking back and forth. I was not simply complaining in /all with the other team saying "keep it to your group", I was talking to the enemy team, mainly their mid Kass. Most of my comments are directly responses to questions like "what is he doing?" or "Where is your ryze".

Arammus1 votes

i get where youre coming from. but context is not considered by the system. just play and try to not chat much. its not the end of the world.

Yin Yang Taoist1 votes

{quoted}

I will drop it at this point, I can see I am against the clear majority.

My issue is "is this worth punishing peoples honor level and effecting future games through a Chat restriction".

I posted my chat in another comment but what you cant see is the enemies team chat talking back and forth. I was not simply complaining in /all with the other team saying "keep it to your group", I was talking to the enemy team, mainly their mid Kass. Most of my comments are directly responses to questions like "what is he doing?" or "Where is your ryze".

I don't know about the rest but I sympathize with you. However, the problem here is that while your call for the toxic report was legitimate. There are some people who take advantage of this. And they'd just spam call for reports on innocent players. Tilting or provoking them into a response for a counter call on a report. Which would further result in a deteriorated situation, things escalating and getting out of hand with some lying and some trying to prove what the other person said. Do you see what I'm getting at? The majority of the comments here are just telling you that its against the Riot rules. But they aren't explaining why. (Or if they did, I don't know. I mostly skimmed through)

So the reason why they are punishing people for calls on reports is. Because it doesn't help the overall situation. Of-course, they can put the cases under a magnifying glass and see if the reason is legitimate. But that's more work. And its easier to just have the bot scan and punish. One report or multiple reports, its the same. You don't have to beg for reports to bring your case on the desk.

Overall, OP. I feel bad for you. You were extremely civil, patient and calm despite what your opponents said. Unfortunately, they provoked you into asking for a report which resulted in a CR. The golden rule to avoiding punishments is simple. Avoid chat, do not speak. If you have to, simply mute and report if someone is toxic/negative. Or you can do what I do, mute everyone but your friend and play.

Good luck with your future games, friend. [garen-swing]

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