I was thinking, why don't you make a diferent ranking queue for Toxic players ? I think some people will never change and will be a really good idea to give them their own ranked queue where they can swear and flame eachother as much as they want. From psychologial point of view, swearing releases stress and holding it back just worsen your health in general.
PurpleYukari6 votesThis has already been answered, look at the first question here: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/01/ask-riot-banished-to-prisoners-island/
Abridged: Reason One: We believe in a real shot at reform for unsportsmanlike players Reason Two: Prisoner’s island is a truly awful experience for the “prisoners” in more ways than one
SugeMinPikk2 votesFunny thing about that article is that it's been proven fairly regularly that permabanned players don't reform unless reforming somehow makes their lives better by orders of magnitude (highest concurrent twitch viewers in League of Legends history, anyone?)
zPOOPz1 votes"proven fairly regularly"
May I see a few of these "proofs"?
SeventhFeeling1 votesIt's really funny that they think the "reforming" actually works.
SeventhFeeling1 votesWhat really most people don't realise is that 80% of the toxic players are only toxic in online games and not in real life. I think toxicity in video games is taken too serious. Games are to roleplay, when someone is being toxic toward other they don't mean it personally but actually talking to 3rd person "character".
Chermorg6 votesWhy should it be any different online? Being behind a screen doesn't make it okay.
Phoenixdust1 votesHow can you even compare RL harassment with online one?
In this game you can mute anybody you do not like. If IRL there was an option to mute somebody, i would be totally okay with anybody harassing me.
Chermorg3 votesThat is the same attitude people use when blaming a victim of a crime for “being in the wrong place”. I mean, they should’ve known that going to that party would end up with them getting drugged, right? It’s not the criminal’s fault, but the person who was the victim, because they could’ve always just not gone to the party/restaurant/bar/whatever...
Phoenixdust2 votesNope, nope and nope.
Show me, where did i say that you should not have started a game, to not get flamed?
I do not expect anyone to restrict them self doing anything what they want. Your case would be correct if i said: "If you do not start a game, you do not get flamed". But i never said this. Feel free to play, and if you do not like something it costs you NOTHING to stop it.
In your example you want people to sacrifice something they want to do, for example going to a party. I want them to sacrifice a thing what they do NOT like. Also, drugging peoples drink would be TOTALLY OKAY, if at the moment when you drink it, you know it is drugged, and you could make the drug have no effect just by thinking on that for a split second. If drugs worked this way only ppl who WANTS to get drugged would get drugged. (Sadly this is not the case IRL, but in game yes ;) )
If anybody is flamed, and he is butthurt because of this, yet does not mute the flamer, then they WANT to get flamed, and they enjoy it. Because every sane person would stop something what they do not like if it costs nothing for them.
Chermorg3 votesWhy can they not mute the flamer, so they don’t have to deal with it, and report them (and Riot punish them) so that nobody else has to deal with the flamer?
Phoenixdust1 votesThey can totally mute the flamer. I encourage everybody to mute the flamer, if they do not like it.
On the report part it is questionable for me. The flamer did nothing bad. He flamed and he got muted. And NOTHING happened. "so that nobody else has to deal with the flamer" - You write this, like this is something huge to do. Pressing one button. It's not even "dealing" with somebody. It is just nothing.
It's like you want to punish the support, who got caught once, because the adc HAS to press heal if he does not want his support to die. It's not even like flaming, a support gettin' caught is much worse, because you have to waste a CD and it influences the game. More like if you want to punish somebody for asking if the jungler will build solari or the support should, because they have to react to this. If they do not react, they might end up with 2 solari, which is not a huge problem, but still.
Also chat related punishments are waaay exaggerated. Since everybody has the ability to stop you if they do not like you, there should be no punishment at all. (At max an automated text at the start of the game, that ***** player tends to be toxic, feel free to mute him now), or chat banning the flamer (which is already too much imho). But these punishments eventually lead to 14day and permanent bans, what is totally stupid. It's like killing somebody instead of asking for a paper which restricts somebody to go close to your house or schools or whatever ( i dont remember the name of this paper....)
Chermorg4 votesFlaming isn’t bad? People “ha[ve] the ability to stop you if they do not like you”?
That sounds a lot like victim blaming again. Stop blaming the victim when the problem is the person flaming in the first place.
Phoenixdust1 votesAnything what is considered bad (by you), but can be nullified with doing almost nothing, is not bad.
Would you punish robbers if their victims had the choice to give them stuff or not give them stuff (without any consequence)? (In this case if the victims do not want to give them their stuff they just walk away, and this whole thing takes 0.5 seconds)
Chermorg3 votesYes, I would, because attempting to rob someone is still bad, and they may very well attempt to rob someone else.
Phoenixdust1 votesBut you state that it is bad like an axiom. There are no axiom of something being bad or not bad. And what if they attempt to rob someone else? That someone else will tell them to fck off too, until they get bored or there are no people left to try to rob...
But instead now Rito just simply executes these robbers, is that a better solution? O.o
So tell me, WHY is it bad?
Chermorg3 votesIf you don’t believe robbery is bad, if you don’t believe harassment and abuse towards innocent people is bad, then this discussion is over.
People should not have to tell them to “fck off”. People should not have to mute them every game just because they can’t follow simple rules.
Phoenixdust1 votesI believe robbery is bad IRL and i can explain why. And i do not know why would my "theoretical robbery" be bad, and you failed to explain it to me. Would you mind telling me why is it bad?
"if you don’t believe harassment and abuse towards innocent people is bad" - I do believe that harassment and abuse is bad, IRL, but real life has totally different circumstances than LoL.
But please tell me, why is letting everyone do what they want bad, until this does not prevent somebody else to do whatever they want?
I want to flame, i flame. You want to mute me, you mute me. The 3rd guy wants to eat dirt with a fork, let him do it, since it has no effect on anybody else... Gays want to live together, let them do it. Somebody want to buy something what i don't like, let him buy it.
SeventhFeeling1 votesIt's exactly what i mean, it's just ONLINE. I am sure most of the flamers are actually nice guys IRL. But when you are behind a screen it's easy to take a diferent role and just let it out which you wouldn't do IRL. Chermorg is trying to defend real life happenings with the online games and that's the main bullshit of this whole "toxic" behaviour system. Trolls and feeders are way much worse than a simple toxic player, i rather having a guy screaming at me whole game than a feeder running it down mid. But hey, trolls and feeders doesn't get punished and RIOT is getting the bux from the new account made by the permabanned players.
Imperial Pandaa1 votesThere is a difference between roleplaying a character and being a jerk. Unless you are specifically referring to the champion I am playing then you aren't referring to a character, but to me.
Phoenixdust1 votesWhat if he is role playing a jerk? :D
Imperial Pandaa1 votesHe can be, but unless I'm aware and also roleplaying; then he is addressing me and not the character.
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Phoenixdust2 votes"Prisoner’s island is a truly awful experience for the “prisoners” in more ways than one" - So they think permanent ban is better experience than a prisoner's island? Do they realize that if people do not like the game in the prisoner's island, they can stop playing it, and starting a new account (just like they do it after the permaban). Yet if a high percentage of people do NOT start a new acc, instead keep playing in the prisoner's island, then the number of toxic new players would reduce and also it will give a better game experience for REAL new players...
SeventhFeeling1 votesThis ^
TheEvilQueen1353 votesthey can swear, just not at people. personally i swear at people vocally to myself rather than in chat. it helps relieve stress as you said but they don't hear it and don't feel hurt or bothered by it.
also if you move all the toxics to their own ranked we're all gonna have killer wait times
SeventhFeeling1 votesHmm, yeah maybe it will kill the queue timers. Just wondering how many of the playerbase is toxic.
The Ecdysiast1 votesthey can swear, just not at people. personally i swear at people vocally to myself rather than in chat. it helps relieve stress as you said but they don't hear it and don't feel hurt or bothered by it.
also if you move all the toxics to their own ranked we're all gonna have killer wait times
Then you should be banned. Swearing isn't okay no matter who hears it, even if it's jokingly to a friend.
TheEvilQueen1351 votes[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HmuzGnEs,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-22T01:05:24.440+0000)
Then you should be banned. Swearing isn't okay no matter who hears it, even if it's jokingly to a friend.
dude i said to myself. as in nobody fricken else...
The Ecdysiast1 votesdude i said to myself. as in nobody fricken else...
Nope, doesn't matter. If you're going to make the claim that it's fine to say it out loud to yourself but not fine to say it to people who can mute you, you're just as guilty. Hell, you're more guilty since you're doing it in reality.
Aneirin7 votesGo troll somewhere else
The Ecdysiast1 votesGo troll somewhere else
It's not trolling. Really, if you think you're better for shouting out loud than people who need the feeling of typing, you're the troll.
Aneirin5 votesSaying people should be banned from a game for what they say to themselves in the privacy of their own home is ridiculous.
The Ecdysiast1 votesSaying people should be banned from a game for what they say to themselves in the privacy of their own home is ridiculous.
Only as ridiculous as saying people should be banned from a game for hurting the feelings of people who have the full discretion to mute everyone at the start.
If ya read the ToS, it says they don't need any reason to ban you. If you're toxic, whether in game or IRL, the ban is just as legit.
Aneirin4 votesIf you're toxic, whether in game or IRL, the ban is just as legit.
That's like saying nudity is illegal whether it's public or private.
The Ecdysiast1 votesThat's like saying nudity is illegal whether it's public or private.
More like saying nudity is illegal whether it's in private or at a nude beach.
Subdue3 votes[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HmuzGnEs,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-22T05:33:01.684+0000)
More like saying nudity is illegal whether it's in private or at a nude beach.
Oh good, so you acknowledge that an activity can be appropriate in one place but not another. Glad we got that all sorted out.
TheEvilQueen1355 votes[{quoted}](name=Uber Deer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HmuzGnEs,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-22T02:16:56.505+0000)
It's not trolling. Really, if you think you're better for shouting out loud than people who need the feeling of typing, you're the troll.
its one thing to voice something to yourself privately and a completely different story to subject people to your frustration and ruin their good time and their experience. you don't need to force your negativity on to others. also the mute button isn't there so you can say whatever you want, it's there so that people don't have to see it if it upsets them, it doesn't excuse behavior.
Phoenixdust1 votes"also if you move all the toxics to their own ranked we're all gonna have killer wait times" - Eventually these toxic players are removed with permanent ban, so it would not change any of your queue time. It does not matter if they are banned, or playing somewhere else. It might be, that these toxic players would have hell of queue times since they aren't too many, but still better than permaban. (If they do not like it, they can start a new acc anytime.)
FullmuteAll play2 votesWell something like this is in Dota 2 If I rememeber correctly Riot thinks it will make queue times longer. Tbh, I am only down for the idea to create "toxic island", both types of players win, I don't mind waiting in Q for longer.
SeventhFeeling1 votesWell something like this is in Dota 2 If I rememeber correctly Riot thinks it will make queue times longer. Tbh, I am only down for the idea to create "toxic island", both types of players win, I don't mind waiting in Q for longer.
That's what i mean, sometimes i want to play normal good match and sometimes i really want to swear and shout and scream to get all the stress out.
FullmuteAll play1 votesnah, it doesn't work this way. You either always toxic and sit in this island or you are not, unless you have 2 accounts
mlm olo mlm1 votesIt needs to be opt-in.
So, ranked for everyone. Just no chat rules in this queue. Would you go so far as to stop all punishments in this queue?
Phoenixdust1 votesWhy would you want to stop all kind of punishments? O.o
Chat related and gameplay related issues are not even comparable in LoL. You have the mute button to just stop the chat existing, yet you can not do anything against trolls/inters. Since one issue is already solved my one magical button, we still need punishment for the other one...
mlm olo mlm1 votesWhy would you want to stop all kind of punishments? O.o
Chat related and gameplay related issues are not even comparable in LoL. You have the mute button to just stop the chat existing, yet you can not do anything against trolls/inters. Since one issue is already solved my one magical button, we still need punishment for the other one...
Just personal opinion here, punishment doesn't make the situation any better. I'm pretty sure I would rather leave a toxic game (taking my LP loss) than sit through a toxic game. I'm against the severe punishments. I'm fine with using minor punishments.
Phoenixdust1 votesIf you mute them, what is the difference between a toxic game and a simple game where ppl don't write?
