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Military forced AFk

Byte Me··3 votes·1,866 views

So, I play with some guys who are in the military and they are constantly getting reported for AFKing because of something that they have no control over. I know afking is ban worthy but i think the community should have a little more lenience with uncontrollable afks. The main response i get then they should not play. So my question is do you think reporting someone that is forced to AFK because of life stuff that happens and not just military but everywhere else is that fair to the reported person?

Edit: This is not a problem with Riot's policies this is a problem with the Toxic community.

Edit:First of all I think everyone missed the point of this post, I'm not saying he should not be punish, what i am saying is that the players in the community should try to be more lenient with reports based on information and reasoning given. Yes I could have worded my post better, however do you think that its right to report and possibly end up banning someone based solely on a few games that they have to leave, even after they have been punished by the system, or reporting someone for Intentionally feeding even though it was just a bad game. This is not a problem with Riot, this is a problem with the in game community and the abuse of the report system. What i was trying to do by bringing this up was the fact that needlessly reporting someone because they had an internet drop or real life stuff came up is a problem in the community. As i have been reported because my family as decided to go out on the spur of the moment. Sure it is unfair to those in the game, but its not like you knew you were going to be pulled away. Or in my friends case that someone decided to skip out on duty and he was next on the list. If not playing the game were the answer to this sure i get it but when you are given time to play, i pretty sure almost anyone would play. And sure what started this was the fact that my friend was suspended for 30 min, and could not play due to this and as some people in the comments have said you never know if the person is lying or not about the reasoning, but can we not as a gaming community give them the benefit of the doubt? I mean if someone up and rage quits or AFK's and never comes back or doesn't give a reason sure that is when reporting is great. But the over use of the report even when its not just, is a problem and i believe it needs to be fixed.

100 Comments

Astôlfo12 votes

They should not play unless they have 1 hour guaranteed to play minimum. Ever.

Byte Me2 votes

So what you are saying is that they should not play at all cause it might make you lose ONE game.

Astôlfo8 votes

Correct. Is there a problem?

And no, they can play when they are off-duty or not actively on potential call duty.

Byte Me2 votes

There lies the problem they are always on duty and on call. Even on their allotted days off and free time. So asking them to not a play a game they want to play is just as unfair as it is to the people who might lose a game because of it.

Astôlfo9 votes

Incorrect. If you cannot play through a game fully, you are ruining it for 9 other people. If they cannot play, well, shucks. That's the loss of 1 single person. I'm sure the military can understand the concept of the majority coming first, no? 9 takes priority over 1.

And yes, people in the military can be called to duty any time. There's also a thing called using common sense and realizing that you're also not likely to get called 24/7 endlessly. Play during the times you think you are free. If you are forced to leave mid-game, then apologize and explain to the others and just exit and take the penalty.

It is not unfair. Deal with it.

Byte Me3 votes

"If you are forced to leave mid-game, then apologize and explain to the others and just exit and take the penalty." If this were to be happening to you and you were being called in randomly even during your allotted free time and days off and being forced to leave Mid-game, then getting suspended for it, how would it make you feel? not only can you not do what you would like to do, but when you do and it gets interrupted and you get punished not only over something that cannot be controlled but by the other 4 players who just lose a single game, cause lets be real the other team doesn't care as long as they win. As i have said the issue here is NOT with riot or their policies its more with the community.

Astôlfo4 votes

So what? Deal with it.

It's not 9 other people's fault you can't play out a full game. The rules are simple. You break them, you get punished.

Byte Me2 votes

No but it is the other nine players CHOICE on whether to report or not, he can deal with the system punishments IE leaver buster, but with account suspension due to unwarranted reports, and the offer of ending a game so he can leave with out punishment is the other 9 players Fault.

Astôlfo4 votes

But he deserves punishment, whether or not the 9 report him.

Byte Me1 votes

Sure, but isnt the punishment from the system enough? Being forced to wait 15 minutes before even getting into game seems like enough but adding in 9 reports and a 30 minute account suspension on top of that seems a bit too harsh.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

9 reports in one game always equates to just 1 report. Getting yourself an increasing low priority queue means that you have been constantly leaving games, and that is not something that Riot can tolerate.

Riot can't even tell if someone's leave is urgent/emergency or not, since there's no way of proving it. You might say that you can explained to them that you're in the military, but with no way of providing the files/evidence, even a 10 year old would be able to make the same excuse.

The only thing similar between urgent & non-urgent AFKs is that you're still bringing a bad 4v5 experience to the game, and both ways will still be punished no matter what you think.

Zaryelle12 votes

The only solution is to not play when they think they might be 'called in' it's the same for any job that you be called into. It shouldn't be happening that much that you get banned, or you deserve it. Unless there is some sort of city wide issue, or LoL issue, there is no excuse to AFK.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Excuses to AFK: Get SWAT'ed, dog pees on your leg, fire alarm goes off, power goes out, get a spontaneous bloody nose, wild animal comes in the open window/door, get an important phone call (yes talking to my bank, employer, landlord, or the police is more important than 4 butt hurt strangers on the other side of the internet playing a game)

Zaryelle5 votes

Seems like you are the one getting 'butthurt' over getting punished for AFK'ing. When you try to use 'butthurt' to invalidate legitimate complaints you are just annoying everyone.

AlienPrimate2 votes

I've never been punished for AFK. I'm also not an ignoramus who reports every person who AFK's just because I think my game time is more important than their unknown personal or technical problems. It is obvious when someone intentionally AFK's and it is very uncommon that it happens. If someone loses a surrender vote and immediately disconnects I report them. If someone's score is 0/5/0 and they disconnect just after their 5th death I report them. If someone is whining all game and says they will AFK then I report the.

If someone says they have connection issues and it can be seen, just randomly disconnects in the middle of a fight, or is AFK from the beginning I will not report them. 99.9% of the time it is unavoidable and you are being an ass hat for reporting them.

Zaryelle1 votes

I never mentioned reporting at all, LeaverBuster does that. You are acting like they don't deserve to be punished for AFK'ing at all, and you called imaginary people butthurt for reporting you.. sure you aren't the one who's butthurt here?

AlienPrimate1 votes

LeaverBuster shouldn't even be necessary. If they would fix their report reviewing system and people actually used the system correctly then LeaverBuster could be done away with. I guess I shouldn't say I've never been punished for AFK because I did get a wait timer for leaving an ARAM when queued with 4 of my friends due to a fire alarm going off in the college dorms because someone lit their popcorn on fire. This is why I have an issue with LeaverBuster. It should require a majority vote from teammates after the game for any action to be taken. People who leave games don't do so because that is just what they do. If they did they would already be banned. Having any automated justice system is just stupid. Imagine if the courts were automated and motive wasn't ever considered. We would have people in jail for assault and attempted murder after protecting their families from thieves.

Zaryelle1 votes

A lot of text just to say you the only reason you think LeaverBuster is bad is because you can't get away with AFK'ing with bullshit excuses you think are valid.

An automatic justice system is a horrible comparison, LeaverBuster only punishes AFK, which is very easy to detect if someone AFK'ed or not.

You're no different than the OP, you want to get away with AFK'ing for completely bullshit reasons you think are valid. Plenty of people just 'leave' for no reason. LeaverBuster doesn't punish unless you AFK for a lot of games, and it sounds like you do AFK for really stupid reasons, any reason you can think of is a good excuse.

I'll repeat what I said above, A voting system to determine who gets punished for AFK and who doesn't is a TERRIBLE idea and would be heavily abused

And I'll repeat this last idea again because you don't seem to understand it. If you are getting punished for being AFK it means you were AFK for many games, one game AFK is fine for shit like fire alarm, but if you're getting multiple games in a short time period where you are AFK 3 or more games, you deserve to have a low priority queue to make you think 'maybe i should pay attention to the time/situation instead of just AFK'ing whenever I feel like it.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Just so you know, I have never left a game because I didn't have time to finish. When I was put into low priority it was because I joined a few games late after a patch due to getting bugsplatted and then the fire alarm happened when I had to leave for the last 10 minutes of the game. Every game I have ever been AFK in except for that fire alarm I have either connected a few minutes late after resolving some bs faulty patch issue or attempting to fix it for the entire duration of the game.

This doesn't happen to me anymore since I live in my own apartment with great internet but here is a question for you. How do you avoid going AFK if you join games fine for a couple hours and suddenly the loading screen continuously crashes until that specific game is done? That is how I got low priority. It wasn't because I felt like leaving or because I didn't allow enough time. It was because some bs glitchy system that some how allows me to join one game and not be able to connect to the next one. I'm glad it is no longer an issue but now if someone else has the same problem they aren't even given a chance anymore with the remake vote. Even if they reconnect 2 minutes late they still get full leave status because the game is already done.

Zaryelle1 votes

You are not actually arguing against anything I said, you keep going on tangents instead of actually disagreeing with anything I said, so I think this will be the last time I reply.

  1. You are arguing that they should get a free pass for AFKing multiple games, even suggesting a voting system to allow people to get free AFK pass (which would be heavily abused)

  2. You are not giving valid excuses why someone would get enough AFKs to be punished. You are giving examples of things that rarely happen, so to have them happen multiple times in a short period of time you are knowingly playing when there are issues.

  3. You're trying to come up with crazy bs situations and act as if they happen 'all the time' that someone regular AFKs many games in a row because of those situations, and it's just not true. Yes LoL has glitches , people have city-wide issues, but these things don't happen often enough to get you banned for AFK'ing, you do that by choosing to AFK.

If you're ready to have an argument against these 3 points (which I have been restating over and over and you continue to ignore) then do it, otherwise I'm done.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Ok, you got me there. There isn't a reason to afk so frequently that you actually get banned. What I have issue with is that after only 3 games of joining late do to some connection issues, not even late enough to affect the outcome of the game one bit is punishable by an automated system. Leaverbuster is flagged even if you join a minute after the game starts. I know this from my time in college after being warned about AFK'ing in a game that I connected before minions even spawned.

Everything I have said up to now is mostly because this.

{quoted} there is no excuse to AFK.

If someone is gone at the start of a game and connects after a couple minutes how is it in any way their fault. Chances are that they frantically try to solve the problem as fast as they can during the loading screen. People who get low priority for joining games late or not being able to connect at all even after just finishing a game minutes earlier is my main issue with leaverbuster. What would help is if there was some way of knowing you can't connect to a specific game before the loading starts

Zaryelle1 votes

Why don't you put the full quote "Unless there is some sort of city wide issue, or LoL issue, there is no excuse to AFK."

AFK'ing occasionally won't get you banned, in that sense it is excusable AFK'ing all the time you will get banned, and there is no good excuse for it. It's extremely simple to understand, I don't get why you find it so hard.

Refer back to #2. AFK'ing 3 times cause you have connection issues is entirely your fault. After the 2nd time you should have quit until your connection is stable.

Refer back to #3. If you connect 2-3 minutes later in the game you won't be counted as AFK. Not connecting to the game is a known issue in the past, but it doesn't happen that often to get you banned

BigBellBrute2 votes

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I've never been punished for AFK. I'm also not an ignoramus who reports every person who AFK's just because I think my game time is more important than their unknown personal or technical problems. It is obvious when someone intentionally AFK's and it is very uncommon that it happens. If someone loses a surrender vote and immediately disconnects I report them. If someone's score is 0/5/0 and they disconnect just after their 5th death I report them. If someone is whining all game and says they will AFK then I report the.

If someone says they have connection issues and it can be seen, just randomly disconnects in the middle of a fight, or is AFK from the beginning I will not report them. 99.9% of the time it is unavoidable and you are being an ass hat for reporting them.

I report every person that afks. And no that doesn't mean I think my game is more important than a doctor. It means I don't want to have to sort out the liars. If they're telling the truth and it's an isolated thing, then my report isn't going to cause them to face any real punishment. If it does cause them to face punishment, then it was just the straw that broke the camel's back and there is a wider problem there.

Zaryelle1 votes

Lol yeah he's trying to justify 'AFK shouldn't be punished' just because maybe 1/10 of AFKs have legitimate excuses.. no they all need to be punished, and only the ones who AFK a lot will actually get punished anyways. A voting system to determine who gets punished for AFK and who doesn't is a TERRIBLE idea and would be heavily abused

ModPrandine4 votes

From the Leaverbuster FAQ:

IT'S NOT MY FAULT. MY INTERNET/YOUR SERVERS DISCONNECTED ME. I HAD A REAL-LIFE EMERGENCY. I HAD TO GET OFF THE COMPUTER. THE GAME CRASHED. UNBAN ME! We understand that players may be forced to leave from time to time so the system has been designed to keep these situations in mind. After leaving a few games, you will be placed into a low priority queue; as long as you can complete 5 matchmade games without leaving, you will be returned to the normal queue. However, if you continue to leave games, you will remain in the low priority queue.

LostFr0st1 votes

How is Riot supposed to tell the types of AFKs apart? How do they explain that pass-card to that team's players? I don't think it would be fair.

Byte Me1 votes

They can not unless people use the comment section to explain. And everytime that it has happened i have told my team.

LostFr0st1 votes

While I know where you're coming from, I think the best thing to do would be to find so like-situationed or at least like-minded people to queue with.

Not everyone will be honest on the internet about why they afkd in a game.

Byte Me2 votes

No i know that, if they rage quit or something of that sort i report them too, but reporting because of uncontrollable reasons, its like being banned or suspended because the internet or power went out.

Hryna1 votes

In order to get banned because internet/power went out it has to happen very frequently + you have to be dumb/selfish enough to still try to play the game until it gets resolved. It's simple - don't play the game if you know you might afk. And your thread can only make people less lenient with you judging by the way you respond and reason, I'm surprised you're old enough to be in the military then again maybe you're dumb or just a troll.

Zaryelle1 votes

I think he said his friends were in the military but not him. But I am also kinda surprised they would expect people to give them a free afk pass whenever just cause they're in the military is complete bs. People these days think they're fucking war heroes just for enlisting

Hryna1 votes

Yes, his "friends", aka him and his friends (if you have time to throw in the fucking dumpster and read this thread).

Flaherty1 votes

There's no way to verify whether or not someone is leaving for the reason they say they are, you either have to punish all AFK equally or don't punish AFK at all.

Byte Me1 votes

There is its called the comment section of the report page, and the fact that 3 other people have given the same reason for said person's AFK. On top of that, leaver buster does punish every time you leave a game and not comeback. And as i have said in other comments i dont have a problem with the policies that riot has i have a problem with the community.

Flaherty3 votes

How can anyone that isn't part of your group of friends verify that you all aren't lying in order to prevent your friend from being punished for leaving? There's no way for anyone reviewing the report page to know for a fact that what the 3 people claim to be true is actually true.

Byte Me1 votes

{quoted}

How can anyone that isn't part of your group of friends verify that you all aren't lying in order to prevent your friend from being punished for leaving? There's no way for anyone reviewing the report page to know for a fact that what the 3 people claim to be true is actually true.

Everytime this has happened WE have heard the Sgt. yell at him and then him saying I gtg. im not saying it doesnt suck when it happens, but what im saying is that the fact that 3 DIFFERENT people have reported with the same story. On top of that we play with pugs alot of the time who listen in on our voice coms.

Angry Monster1 votes

you missed the point, how does anyone not in your group of friends KNOW?

Byte Me1 votes

The odds of 3 different people coming up with the same lie to protect someone from reports is slim to none, and when I'm the only other person who knows the guy IRL. and the other is some person we invite from recent games that lowers the odds even farther, but to answer your question with the answer you want to hear is you cant know not for sure, i guess ill just have to start recording our voice coms and sending them to all of the other players in game so they know we are not lying.

Angry Monster1 votes

The odds of 3 different people coming up with the same lie to protect someone from reports is slim to none,

False, friends can easily do that over a voip. I am not going to argue who or who is not in a voip. The point is that it is easy thing to come up with a story and everyone lemming it up and typing it in chat.

the fact you can not get over your self in this thread is pretty amazing.

I have had plenty of friends play while in the military. They get offical down time in the base, they are not on call 24/7 and they are not allowed to be harassed by officers with out good reason.

Your friend is making bad choices when to play and you are being a fool eating up his side of the story.

Scordons1 votes

you do know different jobs will have you called in more often when off duty right? aka mechanics. different bases have different rules and standards. they all run different so in the end no matter what the suspect probable has no control.

AlienPrimate1 votes

People don't just leave for no reason at all. As I said in a comment earlier, if they have to leave then so be it. Their personal, or in this case professional lives are more important than the gaming in my free time. The only time someone should ever be punished for AFK is if the majority of their own team reports them with a description of why they think the person left. If a person has a toxic team and no longer enjoys the game setting then they should be allowed to leave but instead they are the ones punished for the AFK and not the toxic person. The only reportable AFK in my opinion should be if someone gives up and lets the enemy team win or obviously rage quits. If you disconnect with a 0/5 score after not showing that you are lagging (which can be linked in chat now) or you quit immediately after a failed surrender vote then I say immediate suspension with no warning.

Flaherty1 votes

Don't say stupid things like only the AFK gets punished if they leave because of a toxic person and the toxic person doesn't, that is not true. I don't care what a person's reason for leaving is, whether they have to go to work or class or just don't feel like playing or are upset it doesn't matter, they left a game where they can't just be immediately replaced and it makes the entire game worse for everyone they leave behind because they couldn't be bothered to manage their time well or have paper thin skin and can't deal with mean people on a game. When you make the entire rest of the game unfun and frustrating for the rest of the people playing you deserve to get a punishment.

Xidphel1 votes

I'm totally in the military. Gotta AFK.

Byte Me1 votes

If someone said that in chat with no other reasoning i would report, but that is not the issue I'm having. The issue I'm having is with the other players in the game, not understanding or not willing to understand, even after it being explained to them time and time again.

JustMonika131 votes

If the AFKing happens often enough, the system then flags that account (especially if there has been reports).

Honestly, if you are in a situation where you can be called into something you have to do at a moment's notice, then you (or your friends in this case) should not be queuing at all. Even in their free-time they're still subject to calls. AFKing once every blue moon due to a true emergency? Perfectly fine. AFKing on a regular basis due to having to be called into something, especially being in a situation where this is commonplace? Something I would call irresponsible to both the game and whatever duty they're charged with.

Edit to reply to OP edit: How is this a problem with the toxic community?

Byte Me1 votes

{quoted}

If the AFKing happens often enough, the system then flags that account (especially if there has been reports).

Honestly, if you are in a situation where you can be called into something you have to do at a moment's notice, then you (or your friends in this case) should not be queuing at all. Even in their free-time they're still subject to calls. AFKing once every blue moon due to a true emergency? Perfectly fine. AFKing on a regular basis due to having to be called into something, especially being in a situation where this is commonplace? Something I would call irresponsible to both the game and whatever duty they're charged with.

I see what you mean, but being reported after telling the others in game the reasoning. seems kinda childish on the reporters side.

Angry Monster3 votes

seems pretty childish that my time has been ruined by a complete stranger that refuses to be responsible for there life choices.

Byte Me1 votes

Because one loss in the hours of game time really matters... This gaming community is by far one of the most toxic ones i have been a part of. I get AFK punishment from the system, i get the points of reporting, I get it that it sucks when you have a AFK and you lose a game because of it, but punishing someone after they have already been punished by the system, and lost their free time because some ****head skipped guard duty, seems a little unjustified. League is a game its meant to be played for enjoyment, but if one loss in a normal's ruins the game for you and you feel it necessary to unjustly punish someone because of unforeseen circumstances, i think you are playing the wrong game.

Angry Monster2 votes

This gaming community is by far one of the most toxic ones i have been a part of.

go play something else then.

Plenty of games are not player locked, CS and TF2 are examples of this. Hell blizzards shooter is at least short games of 15 min or less.

i think you are playing the wrong game

considering that you are obviously in the minority (and being lied to by your friend) i think maybe you are the one playing the wrong game.

Byte Me2 votes

This is a problem with the community as players inflict harsher punishments than necessary, with the reporting function of the game, all i was trying to do with this post was get the community to think twice before reporting.

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