Why don't you support yourself then?

Mâiden·Mar 8, 2017·17 votes·2,385 views

Getting tired of hearing "supports just get carried" & "supports don't do anything but get carried".

If it's so easy then why don't you play it? Since it's SOOOO EASY! Only support players know the struggle of trying to climb as support out of bronze/silver. Every laner i've come across has just said that they don't play support cause they "don't want to get carried", yet every laner has less jobs then the support does.

Supports Job laning:

Keep vision in tri bush and river
Keep vision in lane
Deny enemy vision in lane
Poke enemy team
Keep adc alive
die for you adc to survive
peel for your adc
don't get kills
don't feed
Keep vision on dragon
Ping MIA
position correctly/don't get caught out

After Laning Phase: 1-12 13. keep vision on baron 14. ward behind baron/dragon so the enemy team cant steal it 15. Buy only support items (or get flamed for k.s'ing because your slow janna missile last hit that 10 hp)

All of this while still recieving less exp and less gold then all other roles.

Top, Mid, ADC Roles all game

Position correctly
Don't feed
Get kills
Ping MIA

Yet support players get hassled repeatedly for being a "get carried" role and are more often then not treated as if they do not understand how the game works. I really hope players do realize that every player in the game should have at least 2-5 comfort picks for a minimum of 2 other roles... so ya... we aren't just a bunch of monkeys with keyboards. We play your roles too, we just don't care about getting the kills and the fame and glory that a carry gets when they get that pentakill even though the support made it all possible.

Stop treating supports like door mats. We do 10 times the stuff laners do get less credit and usually do about the same if not more damage then laners do. Just because most people get auto-filled into support and they don't want to play the role doesn't mean that the players who actually like supporting play like they do. So hopefully you take the time before you claim that "the support role does nothing" and ask yourself, if the support role was so easy wouldn't everyone play it and be challenger?

^ Heres some poro snax for the trolls about to post!

67 Comments

BigBellBruteMar 8, 20178 votes

Any player worth squat knows a good support is worth his weight in gold. So don't pay attention to the nonsense.

Kukan SeishinMar 8, 20173 votes

Jhin walks in "Worth his weight in diamonds darling, now, OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT, I AM THE STAR!"

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

Thats why you keep good players around haha!

TotalwanabeMar 8, 20176 votes

support role is far from easy you have to keep that man child of a marksman alive and not dying trying to cover for his mistake.

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

That adc that runs under enemy turret, gets stunned, dies with heal and flash ... blames support for not making them immortal hahaha

TerraFirmaaMar 8, 20173 votes

Dear Support players Thank you for your selflessness and I appreciate your work and effort as an adc main myself I feel like I don't say that enough but here it is Also that thing about supports not getting kills Zyra says otherwise anyway this is my formal thank you to all support players out there

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

haha you can play zyra and do a lot of damage without taking the kill :P But thank you for the thank you! :D

kwall86Mar 8, 20172 votes

Fuck shitty adc whiners. just play have fun. and know ur the backbone of your team.

eldurisMar 8, 20172 votes

Honestly if it's so easy, why don't you just play support every game and get that sweet freelo?

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

Exactly! I recently found a video of 5 diamond-master support mains playing all support champs facing a team of 5 silver carry roles, and wouldn't you know it the supports won playing nothing but meta support champions! Which just better proves that being a support doesn't mean you're carried haha!

DarkDeamonDragonMar 9, 20171 votes

Actually did something like that with my friends once. We went into game only playing supports with a heal. Destroyed the other team that had a standard comp. Super fun :)

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

I love it so much! When tank meta was a thing we grabbed every tank support and we all grabbed second item zz rot and just wiped out entire teams all while just having fun! I think we all got reported for plauing non meta but no harm came from it since we didnt force a meta on our own team because we all wanted to do it haha

HawckeyMar 10, 20171 votes

because it's disgustingly boring lmao, even Brand supp gets stale

MâidenMar 12, 20171 votes

Actually its point of view just because we don't get the kills doesn't mean it's boring. I do as much damage as most adc's and I zone and control much harder then just about every adc I have met ... of course there are exceptions to this statement but over all that's my experience :)

Stars ShaperMar 8, 20172 votes

Getting ganked 3 times from the back of their lane, surviving the first 2, getting aniihilated at the third, Noc comes near to lane, uses ult and doesn't jump anywhere.

I tell him to save ult for when me and adc are alive, reply: "Don't blame me for your mistakes".

This assholic mantra is what I'm getting since a while now and it's so freaking tilting...

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

My favourite is the "you're trolling you didn't shield me" b.s when they literally just got 3 shields from you and just kept sitting in the minion wave haha it's great!

Stars ShaperMar 9, 20171 votes

Well in that same match I was accused of feeding because I died 3 times (1 during an invade with Thresh, Jinx and Aatrox chain cc, 2 saving my ADC arse).

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

I know the feeling it's so awful and can easily tilt you! When it comes to things like that I have learned to only support a carry. If your adc is bad after laning phase stay with a carry who ever is getting the most done .... because despite common belief the support supports the team not the adc! :)

KaiokoMar 8, 20172 votes

To me there's a large difference between a competent support and one that just got stuck in the role. This goes beyond just building the right items or picking the right champion.

If you're picking Janna and all you're doing is throwing your shield on me on occasion while hiding behind me and not using your tornado to intercept an enemy mid dash or using Soraka and you just throw a heal every now and then but you never silence or hit your starcall which actually deals decent damage and slows; you're not supporting -- you're getting carried.

Supports used to be some of the best players in my opinion before auto filled was implemented. Now for every 1 competent support there are 3 horrible; and so yes I would have to argue that 75% of the games played the support is getting carried because he simply doesn't know how to do his job.

Big LincolnMar 8, 20172 votes

support is the easiest role in the game

"keep vision on X" I have to keep vision of my lane, too. Warding isn't a hard thing to do, lmao. Stop repeating yourself just to make the list longer

top lane I have to know how to manage my wave (you don't even need to touch CS outside of helping ADC farm under turret), I have to know how to lane against a champion on a per-game basis, I have to be careful of ganks, I have to zone my opponent from CS whenever I can while also trying not to set myself up for ganks, I have to keep up in CS if it's a bad matchup so I can be useful to my team past lane phase, I have to keep track of my enemy's Teleport so I can know when they'll attempt to TP gank, I have to know when to TP gank myself, all the while not having a second player who has my back for the first 20 minutes of the game.

I've never abused my supports but you probably deserve it since 90% of you are the biggest professional victims I've ever seen

midnight oil24Mar 8, 20172 votes

Well actually, if you're playing support the right way, it's a difficult role. Support has to keep the team alive, peel, grant shields, save teammates from incoming attacks, etc. You know that caitlyn ult about to hit your ADC. In general, people want the support to take that bullet. Supports are more than just ward bots, and while many of us certainly need to not whine as much, those people whine because people like you assume it's an effortless role that anyone can play, whereas it's actually very difficult.

Big LincolnMar 8, 20172 votes

I play support, a lot, actually. It's not difficult. It is by FAR the easiest role to play. Supports have an unjustified victim complex in this game.

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

Auto attack something else and then bitch at the support because you got caught out or didn't get that shield in time because you are standing in a minion wave and have burnt through it twice and it's still on cooldown. Seems like the kind of person you are! But like I've said to other players. My post is about good play making supports not the auto-filled player who sits back and presses w or e once in a while to keep the adc alive :)

Big LincolnMar 9, 20172 votes

Seems like the kind of person you are!

baseless generalizations aren't an argument, but given that the majority of support mains I've met are hysterical like this it's not surprising xd

i don't support because of autofill, lmao. it's what i fill in secondary nearly every game

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

Let me know when you hit challenger then! Since supposidly it's so easy to get carried as support! Enjoy your day! :)

DiscipleOfRhysMar 9, 20171 votes

Couple things real quick.

Yes, you do have to keep vision of your lane. In fact, your support would probably appreciate it. However, as a support, I often am required to keep vision on dragon, in the enemy tri-bush, and the river all at the same time, not to mention just using them to cover my behind whenever I'm roaming.

Yes, you are responsible for managing your creep waves. Guess what! we have to worry about that too! Especially if our ADC is not quite grasping that concept. We have to make sure that our ADC (a COMPLETELY SEPARATE person) is even in a safe enough situation to farm his own creeps. Supports are also expected to harass, so the enemy ADC fails at the aforementioned endeavor. You do have to keep track of your opponent's very crucial TP summoner spell. In reality, the whole team should be aware of that. Not only do we also have to worry about ganks (just like you, except we're a juicier target because there are two kills to be had) we are facing an enemy support, who most likely has an array of CC. We have to know the cooldowns of not just 4 abilities + 2 summoner spells + items, but 8 abilities + 4 summoner spells + 2X items. Otherwise, we can very easily make a bad engage.

This brings me to the one line that irked me the most: "a second player who has my back for the first 20 minutes of the game." Has my back? Unless we are duo-ing, we are forced to try and communicate with a player who probably isn't even in the same state as us! The whole lane long, we are not leaning on them, but RELYING on them to play well. We hope that they have the same level of aggressiveness, skill, experience, and drive as us. Every game you have to foster a good connection with this person if you want any chance of doing well. Having a teammate is a gamble.

So yes, if you are duo-ing with a friend you can speak to vocally, and have played with before, then yes, support can be an easier role than a solo lane. But if you are a true support player and play solo queue, you are rolling the dice every champ select. No matter what the dice show, you are forced to make it work to the best of your ability, while simultaneously doing all those other support things.

But rock on in top lane! Your TP ganks are appreciated.

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

exactly i cant tell you how many times I have an adc refuse to heal me because he needed it for ghosting? or how many times my adc was like no that last caster minion is way more important then this gank that i just got 10 gold for instead of two kills and 4 assists for my team but hey yanno! Sometimes you just get a bad adc sometimes theres a bad support i always follow my #1 rule though and that is to support the player who is most valuable for the team your adc keeps running off and dieing for nothing? but the mid laner is 10/1 go support your mid laner .... there is no use in making it a 3/5 just because plauers feel you have to be with your adc there really isnt. Happy gaming!

LordGeovanniMar 9, 20172 votes

jungle far easier but id say adc is the easiest

MâidenMar 12, 20171 votes

well jungle has to account for all laners and have most of the same jobs as the support most junglers are just self absorbed though and only focus on what they need/want. But in my opinion top is the easiest since the only objective that is cared about till after laning phase is dragons so they're literally just a 1 v 1 aram lane with occasional help haha

LordGeovanniMar 12, 20171 votes

can account for all of the laners not has to. top lanes usually swing 80% in one direction or the other and its far from 1v1 as top laners have to be further in the lane to farm in addtion to top lane turrents being the furthest apart for any lane

MâidenMar 13, 20171 votes

actually thats bullshit. Bot lane is the same distance and can get more easily ganked behind tower then top or mid. I didn't make this post for people to bitch and whine about their roles not getting enough credit. You want to whine make your OWN post and point out your views. I simply am tired of toxic people giving me shit for playing support. And every person on this post has bitched about it by doing exactly what I am aiming out to stop. So again. Please make your own post if you want to complain about top lane.

LordGeovanniMar 14, 20171 votes

the tower top is slightly further back if you an see its closer to the wall and tops wall starts farther into the lane than bots so top side river is wider than bot side river

NickMPMar 8, 20172 votes

I'd rather have a bad(Think a 3/10 rating for the elo) ADC and a decent(7/10) support then the other way around, even a good ADC(Assuming they aren't way better then their elo) has to be enabled by someone, and a good support can just focus on helping another carry late game if the ADC turns out to be dead weight.

Personally I don't play support since I hate forcing somebody to rely on me and having to rely on somebody else in lane like that, and I like Jungle/Top too much to give up one.

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

Exactly most adc's can just be spoon fed kills by proper positioning and vision control! They just have to auto and may q or e every now and again haha

MoetaroMar 8, 20172 votes

I mained adc for a while, I had to main back to support because there was not a single worthy support in the whole universe (this, plus the queue times) and my games were a living hell for me. Playing support is so easy that most adcs life is a living hell because their supports are useless, that's how easy it is.

FucckMar 9, 20172 votes

Support involves a lot of different aspects and the list provided accurately represents supports, I would agree supporting isn't the easiest thing to do, I mean your adc relies on you so much yet the adc just doesn't understand that. Not to mention supports providing wards help SO MUCH with objectives and these supports keep people alive as well as set up kills. So in all honesty it's not easy supporting and supports do have quite a big impact on games, so if anything i'd say appreciate the supports and don't take them for granted.

Telephone BoothMar 9, 20172 votes

You're just doing what they do to supports. They belittle your role, and you don't like it... yet here you are belittling all of their roles. You think everyone else is only responsible for 4 things? What about CSing? Controlling lanes through pushing creep waves and deciding when to roam, when to follow your roaming lane opponent or push tower instead? You are lowering yourself to the level of idiots who say supports just get carried. People will agree with your argument, without you losing your integrity to make it. Stay honest, stay real.

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

And you're doing exactly what I am talking about making an assumption without basing facts. There are hundreds of different situations that I did not mention I mention the basic fundamentals that are expected from all supports. If you came here to critique I didn't ask for one. Do not make assumptions based on opinion.

And actually supports are required to CS as well and no a carry role doesnt HAVE TO CS if they get the EXP and gold they need else where ;)

Do not twist something because you don't like how I worded it. You're attacking my character not my cause and its grotesque to do so in a place that is supposed to be healthy. :)

Telephone BoothMar 9, 20171 votes

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And you're doing exactly what I am talking about making an assumption without basing facts. There are hundreds of different situations that I did not mention I mention the basic fundamentals that are expected from all supports. If you came here to critique I didn't ask for one. Do not make assumptions based on opinion.

And actually supports are required to CS as well and no a carry role doesnt HAVE TO CS if they get the EXP and gold they need else where ;)

Do not twist something because you don't like how I worded it. You're attacking my character not my cause and its grotesque to do so in a place that is supposed to be healthy. :)

Okay continue exaggerating to make your point... I don't see the integrity in that but okay.

MâidenMar 12, 20171 votes

you're literally doing what you're claiming I am doing but continue being the reason that nothing gets changed in america... that'll really show me :D!

Votable JesterMar 9, 20171 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAsAaaEpmEQ

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

I love that one I have a full playlist of just support songs haha!

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXMlmZnCF3s watch that one! It's my favorite!

Votable JesterMar 9, 20172 votes

Thanks, it is quite good! :)

I have to say though, I am not a support main myself. I am a mid (mage) main, though support is tied for my second best position (shared by adc). I just thought I'd join in since that video is perfect for this.

Btw completely unrelated, but if you want some music to make whatever you do feel epic, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYEDJHmokQ

Ruin LanceMar 9, 20171 votes

Getting tired of hearing "supports just get carried" & "supports don't do anything but get carried".

hardly anyone on boards actually says this. Nice "support is underappreciated" circlejerk though.

Top, Mid, ADC Roles all game

Position correctly
Don't feed
Get kills
Ping MIA

This part of the post actually kind of irks me because of the way you list these off and how hypocritical this is. Basically it's as if I went:

Support role all game

Position correctly
Don't feed
Make sure your ADC doesn't feed
Ping MIA

See how stupid that sounds? Also, unlike support, people in solo lanes have to deal with csing and actual champion mechanics outside of shielding/healing your adc and poking the enemy.

every player in the game should have at least 2-5 comfort picks for a minimum of 2 other roles...

Tell this to all the people who one trick flex picks in top/mid, top/jg or top/mid. This is obviously not true lmao.

if the support role was so easy wouldn't everyone play it and be challenger?

This should be a really obvious one- it's because most people find it boring. Tons of people have played Janna / Soraka and reached D5 for free without having to deal with learning any kind of micro play whatsoever. Additionally, Challenger actually takes a lot of skill to achieve regardless of your role, which is why only <0.2% of players are in it.

It's one thing to say that support isn't just a "get carried" role, but it's another to say that every other role isn't hard and that support is the hardest role. Get off your passive-aggressive high horse please lmao.

MâidenMar 9, 20172 votes

Im not reading your wall of text. It's pointless and as I have stated before if I wanted a critique I would have talked to a couch for one. If you aren't here to discuss my views freely then kindly shove it and return to your troll cave. This board is place for open minded and healthy opinons but go on with your "my opinion is gospel" high horse... it's cute that you think any one cares what you say about a video game. :)

And if you think you're so great then you should know what riot wants and what their goals are for the game which literally all you've done is say stupid, dumb, makes no sense, and spewed some bullshit out as if you were grading a paper... It's quite sad you think so highly of your own opinion though. But as with the rest of the trolls take you poro snax and return to your basement of trollness! I'm sure you'll be much happier in your "safe place". HAVE A NICE DAY! :D!

Ruin LanceMar 9, 20171 votes

not sure what about my post indicates that I'm being condescending but keep being ignorant. Discussing your view is exactly what I did but I guess someone so close-minded couldn't understand that. Have fun in silver lmao.

MâidenMar 9, 20171 votes

Talk more garbage you key board warrior. It's pretty sad you look on the boards to talk crap for what reason exactly? Parents arent giving you enough attention? Why not do what all the other whiney kids do and go to 4chan! Anyways! Enjoy being sad because some of us are actually climbing ;)

Ruin LanceMar 9, 20171 votes

I didn't even say anything remotely offensive until my second post but if you want to be butthurt for no reason be my guest lol. The original reason I posted was to have a civil argument or discussion but it's impossible with your victim complex delusion and close-minded attitude.

I can't actually tell if you're just trolling or not but if you are you're doing an excellent job.

MâidenMar 12, 20171 votes

And continue if it really makes you feel better :)

Laura ßMar 12, 20171 votes

What if as a support player you:

1.Land a single skillshot 2.Steal CS or make me miss CS 3.Dont apply pressure and/or zone the enemy 4.Heal in time before I die 5.Force unwinnable fights 6.Afk at tower or at base for short periods 7.Be passive aggresive and dont take responsability for a bad play (blame the carries) 8.Want to take credit in a victory but no responsability on a loss (ive seen that alot) Since you are a support you cant carry a loosing game, but when ahead you want full credit for your ''help''

Don't act as you are victims.