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Please tell me why I got banned here? and just for 1 game

biggswigg··5 votes·1,406 views

One game and I got banned Game 1 biggswigg: how much is star guardian syndra biggswigg: she looks like someone from an anime biggswigg: thirsty biggswigg: yo biggswigg: sej biggswigg: dont push biggswigg: or else Im fuked biggswigg: great its pushed biggswigg: free kills bot biggswigg: Im just saying it biggswigg: sej gank top biggswigg: no biggswigg: ult him biggswigg: can I have blue biggswigg: oh shty biggswigg: leona went nomad biggswigg: as soon as leona gets tank u should be fine biggswigg: Im getting camped biggswigg: why u backing? biggswigg: did syndra get nerfed biggswigg: her ult damage is low biggswigg: its was 370 minium biggswigg: minimum biggswigg: step rito up biggswigg: go trundle biggswigg: trundle needs ninja biggswigg: not only me biggswigg: TRUNDLE biggswigg: WHY WOULD U GO INTO THAT biggswigg: you went into ekkos q biggswigg: and died biggswigg: what? biggswigg: U said no number biggswigg: wtf biggswigg: you took blue for no reason at all biggswigg: no I wont biggswigg: go carry mr jhin blue biggswigg: u lost it biggswigg: yo leona can u get some hp biggswigg: Im getting reported by syndra biggswigg: for being bronze af biggswigg: sej* biggswigg: u talk shgt biggswigg: yes you do biggswigg: sto ff biggswigg: ing biggswigg: U dont give up biggswigg: no dont biggswigg: holy shit biggswigg: team cant play

54 Comments

Not xPeke3 votes

I feel for you man.

I understand that you were just fresh off a 14 day ban but a permanent ban is way too harsh. I don't think there's much you can do unless a Rioter like Tantrum or something sees this and is in a good mood to revert it..

If it were me I wouldn't have you perma'd for what you said, unfortunately these are the clear issues with an automated and escalating punishing system.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

Did you have any previous punishments of any kind? If so, what kind and how recently?

biggswigg1 votes

yes I just got unbanned but I dont know how the fuck this is toxic?

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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yes I just got unbanned but I dont know how the fuck this is toxic?

biggswigg: dont push biggswigg: or else Im fuked biggswigg: great its pushed biggswigg: TRUNDLE biggswigg: WHY WOULD U GO INTO THAT biggswigg: you went into ekkos q biggswigg: and died biggswigg: you took blue for no reason at all biggswigg: no I wont biggswigg: go carry mr jhin blue biggswigg: u lost it biggswigg: u talk shgt biggswigg: holy shit biggswigg: team cant play

I suspect this is what got you. Yeah, it's not THAT bad in the big scheme of things -- but you were also coming right off a final warning. There's a bit of minor insults, a bit of blame throwing, and a bit of grinding allies' mistakes in their faces. Again, it's not awful, but RIGHT after a 14-day ban you really need to be on your BEST behavior.

Not xPeke5 votes

While I agree that it was his final warning and it was right after his previous punishment, I personally think that Riot should reconsider how severely the permaban is handed out.

At the end of the day the permaban is usually used in extreme cases of toxicity or as part of the escalating punishment system (which isn't the best way to go about punishing players IMHO). If we have to accept permabans to be part of the escalating punishing system I would personally expect at least a little more leniency for cases such as the one in front of us now. Yes, he was negative/toxic in the past and should be on his best behaviour, absolutely correct, he should. But at the same time I don't think he should be permanently suspended for something as trivial and petty as these chatlogs. The punishment doesn't fit the crime in the slightest.

Is this REALLY a player that we as a community have had enough with? Is it really worthy of being PERMANENTLY banned? I think these are important questions that should take priority over blindly following the system and believing that the escalating punishing system is the best choice. Examples like these do prove it not to be thest optimal choice if you ask me. I have no sympathy for flamers or toxic players but I do feel bad that chat logs like this can determine if an account gets taken away from someone forever.

Another thing I'd like to touch on is the inability for players to just ignore these mild salty and negative comments. They are actually not harmful. I understand what I'm about to say might sound like something a typical banned flamer (I'm not by the way :P) would say but.. if players really get triggered and upset over things from these chat logs then maybe they shouldn't be on the internet. I honestly can't imagine how they can get on with real life if they find these chat logs an issue. This actually has impacts in real life as well. We are catering for people who don't fully know what REAL assault and harassment is. We are cuddling and babying (is that even a word? XD) them and not preparing these sort of people for the real world. We don't live in unicorn land with rainbows and fairies unfortunately, and even if this is simply a game and ideally should be perfect with no issues, it will never be that way.

I understand that this is probably something you might have heard from many people in the past but if you or anyone else would like to tell me what they think of what I've brought up I'd be grateful. I'm genuinely curious in knowing what people think of all of this.

Don't permabans somewhat lose their value or reputation if they are so "easily" achieved? (like simply escalating to the point of being perma'd even though you've only commited petty offences - for example you don't get life in prison if you keep stealing chocolate bars all your life. That would be dumb, wouldn't it?)

######Disclaimer: I'm not a banned player

Aryzyra3 votes

Player is just coming off a ban and spams 50 comments in a game, many complaining about teammates. Evidence indicates player simply does not want his account.

Not xPeke3 votes

Doesn't really answer my overall question regarding the banning system though.

Ignoring that, I'd also not say that it is "spam" in the slightest. Some are actually gameplay related and pre-minions chatter (I presume). Not knowing how long the game even was I'd hesistate to call that "spam". If you actually read which phrases The Djinn pointed out you would realise that they barely make 15 of them, and imo the first 3 he quoted shouldn't even count as negative.

Like I said though, I do understand he was just coming off a ban but the punishment is just too severe in my opinion.

Chermorg2 votes

I don't think it is too severe.

Players are given multiple chances to reform (usually, except in cases of hate speech etc). They're explicitly warned that anything negative after their 14 day ban will be a permanent ban. And statistics that riot have show that players who make it to permanent ban 99+% of the time wouldn't reform anyway.

They tried more punishment tiers in the past. People were still permabanned at similar rates. It just let them be toxic for more games until it get there.

Not xPeke2 votes

I understand that.

But say that this player was a "kys" and "cancer" wishing flamer for example. Is he not reforming from these chat logs? They are WAY too mild to warrant a permanent ban. We don't know his history. If his flaming level was 100 and he now said what is on these chat logs now, and for argument sake say that it is a value of 20, I don't think his past behaviour should influence the system.. because objectively speaking those chat logs alone would not get anyone punished unless they are repeat offenders.

Another truth is that in my opinon it is too easy to escalate punishments once you've been punished the first time. Once your account is tagged you can commit less toxic offences than someone that isn't punished, yet you will receive punishments and they won't simply based on your history.

Like I've also said in my huge wall of text, permanent bans are handed out not only due to the severity of "crimes" commited but also simply by escalating to that point. Which means that realistically speaking you could be permanent ban simply by saying "noob" enough times.

I don't believe that sort of player is someone the community NEEDS to kick out.

Again, it's just my opinion, fair enough if you don't agree.

Chermorg3 votes

The thing is this: more punishment tiers don't work.

Also, Riot has a normal escalating system. Just like how you get one dwi and your punishment is relatively mild, but your 4th one they throw you in jail for 20 years, longer than some murderers.

The point is that the escalation is there because Riot found that this 4 tier system eliminates toxic players as fast as they are able with an acceptable false positive rate.

And no, I don't consider this reforming or reformed. If someone is still displaying a negative attitude in games, they still have a negative attitude. Toxicity is not a problem of "well did they say kys or just idiot", it's a problem of attitude. And if someone's still acting like this on their final warning, they aren't reformed, and to me it looks like they aren't even trying.

Not xPeke2 votes

I understand that but DWI can have severe consequences, so it would make sense for the punishment to escalate that way. Saying "you're bad" enough times doesn't, objectively speaking, except it technically can make you reach a permanent ban.

I agree with you that it's not a case of someone reformED. But it's definitely a case of someone reformING. That's for sure imo. And the current system is cutting the legs from under them in some cases. I'm not saying that this happens all the time but it definitely does happen as witnessed in this thread and players with good, or at least better intentions, are being stopped from showing it. I can't agree with your last statement. If someone goes from saying "kys" to some mild salty comment, then they obviously are trying.

I don't remember how it was years ago but were there 3 months ban, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, etc? I know and understand how escalating chat restrictions don't work. But actual bans do in my opinion. And hey, even if they don't, they still don't warrant PERMANENTLY banning someone for displaying mild negative attitude like in these chat logs.

Frankly speaking, I'd be more worried for the attitude of the players that reported these chat logs than the actual OP.. Not because I'm a flamer or anything, I'm not banned at all, I just truly believe that systems like these are actually bad for us since they shape a different idea of how things really are and offer false expectations, setting up people to be dissapointed.

Chermorg2 votes

That's exactly what I'm saying though. Riot found that increasing bans didn't work most of the time.

Negative attitude is a problem. It isn't extreme or mild. It's a problem. If people solve the symptom (toxic chat) without solving the problem (negative attitude), Riot has found they tend to turn to soft trolling or other forms of toxicity that are harder to detect.

Not xPeke2 votes

Increasing CHAT RESTRICTIONS didn't work :P.

14 day suspension to a permanent ban is a HUGE step. Something in between is needed. They have no statistic to show that after a 6 month or a 1 year ban, a player does not return to his main account and tries extra hard to avoid the perma ban.

You don't solve negative attitude by flicking your fingers as it please you though.. Obviously these flamers or toxic players have issues. Anger management, poor sense of right and wrong, etc etc. They don't fix that overnight. So yes, when I witness someone going from "kys" to "unlucky, team sucks", I see reforming in progress and without more data assessing for someone's current negative attitude, handing out a perma ban for the first mild infraction after being previously banned is dangerous.

Once again, ban the actions, not the history :P.

Chermorg1 votes

They do have statistics that show that though...

Sure they didn't try 4 year bans, but they tried increasing bans and they didn't work.

Ban the actions based on the history - if they were warned to be on their best behavior and this is it? It's not good enough.

Not xPeke1 votes

Did they have 6 months ban? 1 year ban? 2 year ban? All I remember was that people were able to rack up chat restrictions or being banned from playing Ranked games. Unless you tell me there were several steps like months, year, ban, then nope, they haven't got any real statistic regarding the matter.

All I'm saying is that if I said what the OP said in his chatlogs, I wouldn't be punished. Yet he was simply based on the fact that his account was tagged due to his past behaviour. I personally don't think that's right. I should be banned as well then. Consistency is too much a factor if not. I'd rather ban people on what they do/say than on the quantity of their infractions. Quality over quantity every day baby.

Chermorg1 votes

It doesn't matter the exact levels they had. They didn't work. They tried enough different levels, including trying to manually tailor the length to the account based on how frequently they played. And none of it worked.

He was banned for his pattern of toxicity. Obviously a 14 day ban wasn't enough to get to him. I doubt a One year ban would've. People like this just won't understand until everything is ripped away.

Not xPeke1 votes

I understand what you're saying and I can't say that you're wrong as a whole. But at the same time you don't know if a one year ban would have made a difference or not.

Like I already said earlier on, for all we know he could have been a "cancer" wishing and "kys retard" sort of toxic player. The change in his attitude would be noticeable given he's not doing that anymore. Give it more time and he probably would have changed enough for the system not to ban him.

I do disagree with your statement that the exact levels they had don't matter. I think they do. It makes a difference. When you're banned for playing on your account for 6 months or a year, you will think twice before resuming your toxic behaviour once you get it back. 14 days is clearly not enough for some players. That's pretty clear. This is easily observable by the posts on these boards ^^. You said it yourself, the 14 day ban wasn't enough. They clearly need more time to fully understand how serious it is.

Just honestly answer me this. What is a better wake up call, a 14 day suspension or a 6 months or 1 year suspension?

Chermorg2 votes

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I understand what you're saying and I can't say that you're wrong as a whole. But at the same time you don't know if a one year ban would have made a difference or not.

Like I already said earlier on, for all we know he could have been a "cancer" wishing and "kys retard" sort of toxic player. The change in his attitude would be noticeable given he's not doing that anymore. Give it more time and he probably would have changed enough for the system not to ban him.

I do disagree with your statement that the exact levels they had don't matter. I think they do. It makes a difference. When you're banned for playing on your account for 6 months or a year, you will think twice before resuming your toxic behaviour once you get it back. 14 days is clearly not enough for some players. That's pretty clear. This is easily observable by the posts on these boards ^^. You said it yourself, the 14 day ban wasn't enough. They clearly need more time to fully understand how serious it is.

Just honestly answer me this. What is a better wake up call, a 14 day suspension or a 6 months or 1 year suspension?

Here's the better question - if Riot has statistics showing that 95+% of people who get a 14 day ban are going to get another punishment, and then that number increases with each longer term ban they place, why should we allow those people to keep ruining 3+ games per punishment for longer?

When you get a 14 day ban, it is extremely clear that your next punishment will be a permanent ban. If that's not a good enough wake up call, there isn't a ban long enough to give you one other than a permanent ban.

Further, the longer you start placing bans (months or years), the more likely it is they just go create another account and keep playing, instead of actually serving out the ban without League at all.

Not xPeke1 votes

Very true. But the moment you have skins and champions unlocked and friend list, etc, the possibility of being permanently banned or without all of that for say, 1 year, is still a very good incentive.

And I agree with you that there is no apparent need to allow those players to keep ruining more games, obviously. But then it just brings me back to our original discussion that the gap from 14 day suspension to PERMANENT should be abit more meaningful. It shouldn't be triggered from ANY tiny little thing that wouldn't get me or you even a chat restriction. Do you get what I'm saying?

I know it's weird and they probably don't deserve it but, I just feel bad for someone that gets PERMANENTLY banned for something that I wouldn't even be given a chat restriction for.

Lastly, it is extremely clear that your next punishment will be a permanent ban, no denying that. But when I speak of a wake up call I'm mainly referring to the inability to play on your main, your favourite account, etc for a longer period of time. Maybe 14 days is too short. Give it even just a month and they will realise how important that account may be for them, you know?

Chermorg1 votes

But see, here's the thing, punishments are based on patterns of negativity over time. If someone comes off a 14 day ban and within a couple days is being negative again, their negativity over the past 50 games played will be high.

You can't say "oh you were punished fully clean slate". You or I would be punished if we acted like that in multiple games. OP acted like that in multiple games. It just so happens that some of them taken into account were before his 14 day ban.

Not xPeke1 votes

That's fair, I do understand. I still somewhat stand by what I said but it does not mean that I cannot accept what you've explained because it certainly makes sense. Fair enough.

Chermorg2 votes

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That's fair, I do understand. I still somewhat stand by what I said but it does not mean that I cannot accept what you've explained because it certainly makes sense. Fair enough.

As do I accept what you're saying. I just see Riot's point of view. They're really in a catch-22.. they can appease the players who are trying to reform and give them more punishments, but at the risk of non-toxic players complaining Riot gives too many chances... or they can kick people out really fast and risk kicking out people who are trying to reform but can't.

Not xPeke1 votes

Aye

Telephone Booth1 votes

You're missing consistency. It is also about that. If someone is constantly mildly toxic, it's just as bad (subjectively, of course) as someone who says KYS once. Personally, IDC about people wishing suicide and cancer on anyone. Fuck em, they're strangers, let em say whatever they wanna say, doesn't phase me, I'm a fucking individual with my own life, why care about an anonymous person's insults on the internet?

To me, it's about what that toxicity has started. It starts flame wars. Games where your allies are more focused on one upping eachother in chat. Where there is no focus on timers, enemy locations, having one eye on the minimap. It's not all about the severity of the offense, because the problem with toxicity is the distraction it causes for your team. So regardless of whether the guy is just blaming people and pointing out their mistakes, or telling them to get cancer and die, he's still a giant distraction on MY OWN team. Wtf?!! You're supposed to have synergy and comradery and boosting morale, yet my own team is sabotaging us in chat??? THAT'S why this guy got banned. He consistently does this, he had a final warning, now he moves to permaban because he clearly can't stop from using chat for negativity.

Edit: I just have to add I understand your point and I'm kind of speaking generally here. Not just like, arguing with you specifically to prove you wrong or anything. This is all opinion based stuff, of course.

Not xPeke1 votes

Don't worry I understand your intention ^^.

Yeah, I agree, someone else pointed out the consistency argument to me and I have to say it makes sense, it's a fair point.

I agree with your second paragraph too. I guess toxicity as a whole is the real issue, not necessarily the severity. The only issue with that is when we permanently ban a player. To me personally that is the ultimate tool and should be used to get rid of the worst of the words. It works like that in 90% of the games out there. I just believe a permanent ban to be too harsh on some players. I do get it and agree that it's because of consistency, maybe I just disagree with giving consistency too much value (ONLY when a permanent ban is concerned). Overall I do agree with consistency being the main issue.

Telephone Booth2 votes

Yeah I agree with that too... permabans are pretty damn harsh. It's the ultimate solution. Just delete the account... Ouch. I'd be all for just raising the ban time everytime from 14 day to a month to 3 months to 6 months to 9 months to a year and so on.

ArchMageM4gnus2 votes

I'd have to agree. At least he played the damn game. I have more ill feelings towards an intentionally feeder that says nothing or someone that just AFK's. Being angry, getting upset is a sign of competitiveness, and he obviously has that; its only human. The things said here really aren't toxic, hell I'd say it every other game and Im honor 4 and have never had restrictions at all. Permaban is overboard.

Not xPeke2 votes

I agree.

The real issue is that once you're tagged by the system as a negative player every little thing you do will get you punished. Which is kinda unfair because you either judge everyone in the same way or you don't judge at all. You shouldn't judge someone's past but what they're doing now.

The OP was banned in the past, okay. But what does that have anything to do with the mild chat logs he provided? It doesn't warrant a perma ban.

Don't ban their history. Ban their actual behaviour.

TrulyBland1 votes

People are essentially judged the same, though. To be punished you need to exhibit a consistent pattern of negative behaviour. But when you have recently been punished, that pattern has been established already, so all that is necessary to punish you again is another infraction.

But in the end, it's the same judging process: Did he committ an offense in this reported game? If yes, does he do that often? If yes, punish.

It's just that making that pattern of negative behaviour disappear is more difficult than not establishing it in the first place; which is fairly intuitive.

Not xPeke1 votes

My point is that you have no way of knowing if he's consistently negative, because every punishment you receive lowers the leniency and threshold you have to be negative. You can't show true consistency when you can be instantly punished after 2-3 bad games, whereas a player that hasn't been banned can display that same behaviour for 10 games! That's just the way it works, and the way I see it, it's wrong. People aren't judged the same, it's clear. You should punish what they do/say, now who they are as a person and their history.

Coming off a 14 day suspension even just ONE game can result in a punishment. You can play 20 games and then slip up in a very MILD manner and get perma'd off of that. How is that consistency?

So no, overall looking at the bigger picture people are not judged the same in my opinion.

That's also not even getting into the discussion that the automated system is VERY inconsistend with it's punishments, but that's something for a whole other thread I think.

TrulyBland1 votes

My point is that you have no way of knowing if he's consistently negative, because every punishment you receive lowers the leniency and threshold you have to be negative.

Again, this is not strictly speaking the case. To be punished in the first place, you have to overcome a pretty large threshold of negativity. Once you are past that threshold, you are punished very readily. It's not that the punishments themselves lower the leniency, it's that by the time you have arrived at your first punishment, you have essentially used up the leniency Riot is willing to give people. And once you are punished, the consistency of your behaviour is a given. You would not have been punished if you were not consistently negative.

That leniency that you get is essentially a form of trust; trust that you won't continue this way. And as all forms of trust it's way easier to destroy it than to build it up. Hence why 20 games is simply not enough to regain that trust.

Edit: That said, I do believe they should reimplement some form of warning before your first punishment precisely because of how quickly you will be punished past that point.

Not xPeke1 votes

We're discussing technicalities though.

Literally speaking once you are punished you are readily suspended much faster than the average player. Which in my opinion is still unfair. Do you let a thief or a killer go unpunished because they don't do it as often as a kleptomaniac or a serial killer? No.. you punish their actions, not who they are and their history.

Once again, I completely understand the idea that the leniency initially offered is a sort of trust. What I'm saying is that it doesn't truly make sense for it to be that way. You're actually making it much harder for players to reform if you're going to kick them out after the first infraction they commit again.

Clearly if someone is a flamer he has some sort of issue at controlling himself. If all you do is punish him for any tiny little thing he does ONLY based on the fact that he WAS "consistently" negative before.. then how can he improve? Alot of people don't just turn a switch? They have to go through accepting what they do/say is wrong, work to improve, etc. Short of removing the enter key or muting everyone (which in my idea hurts gameplay), it's not like they have many options.

I know I'm repeating myself but it's not all black and white. If someone was consistently negative and said things like "kys" and "cancer" or "retard" and got punished. How is saying "noob" or any little mild salty comment after that, a showing that the consistent behaviour still occurs? The reform in progress is visible! THAT is why I believe this escalating punishing system based on "trust" or "leniency" is not the best idea. It doesn't account for improvement short of "don't say ANYTHING at all". Which is unfair as that's not even expected from normal unbanned players. In that regard like I've said before, no, we are not judged the same. I am not judged the same way as a previously banned player is. And I'm admitting this as a non-banned player myself. I'd have no reason to say this lol.

I do agree with having a warning implemented again.

Chermorg2 votes

But you punish a first time thief a lot less severely than you do a tenth time thief.

Not xPeke1 votes

You never permanenty get him out of the way though (the thief).

I say leave the permanent ban for things that truly deserve it. And I say this as someone who's never been banned. It loses its value if you can be permanently baned for petty things. Almost no other game has this philosophy, yet LoL still has one of the worst repuations as far as toxicity goes. How come other games don't have this whole toxciity issue and don't even need to resort to perma bans over trivial stuff?

AriCei1 votes

There is so much BS around this and quoting Riot's stats about it- criminal justice systems are starting to shift away from this because it does nothing to actually address the issue. The stats get conflated because you lower the threshold for being punished without giving direction for reform- so obviously nothing will change. This is a lack of will in the community to support victims and offenders and actually fix problems. If that's not desired in an online videogame, that's fine- but don't spout nonsense about having ample chances to reform, and stats about reoffense, because they are meaningless in the context. You just want to sit on your moral highground in wonderment at how toxicity could possible exist and pretend that banning accounts fixes the problem.

korppi tuoni1 votes

He literally JUST got off a 14 day ban, like that day was his first day back, he only played 4 games since a last chance ban. That is not history, that is as present as it gets.

Not xPeke1 votes

Like I was explaining to Chermorg, you do not know why he was banned in the past. He could have been a cancer wishing, 'kys', or 'retard' calling toxic player. He could have been truly reforming. A tiny slip up like the chat logs above do not warrant a PERMA ban. History in the sense of his past actions. So no, it's not as present as it gets at all, technically speaking ^^.

I think people are too used to permanent bans because of how "easily" they can be achieved on LoL. When you go on other platforms or games a PERMANENT ban is something way more scary and important. It has more value, as it should have! It's the ultimate tool to get rid of players, not something you should obtain by striking out on petty "crimes".

korppi tuoni2 votes

You act like a 14 day ban is nothing, it's not, it's a LAST CHANCE ban. At that point you need to stop and reevaluate, do I want to keep playing this game? If you do, you need to be a fucking angel when you get back. If that 14 day have been even a month ago, I'd be a little more lenient, but it was less than 24 hours ago, HOURS ago. At that point you clearly haven't learned a thing. It's like mice getting shocked, can you really not remember that last shock, it just happened!

Like all he had to do was mute all and refuse to type in chat, it's simple, but no, he had to open his mouth again. With this kind of toxicity, he had to have started with chat restrictions, a 14 day was not the first step. How many levels of bans do you have to go through to get to a permaban for chat problems? How many games have to be ruined for other people before it's time to just give up on him reforming?

Not xPeke1 votes

You completely missed the point of what I was saying.

korppi tuoni1 votes

Hey, wow, you completely missed the point of what I was saying too!

Not xPeke1 votes

No I haven't, what you wrote just has nothing to do with my point, you just aren't understanding what I'm saying.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Yeah, it really doesn't look that bad. I'll agree it's a natural human reaction, but it's also human to understand rules and abide by them. To weigh reward vs. Consequence. What was his benefit in calling people's mistakes out and blaming them for the loss? What is the possible consequence for such negativity? He should have used his human brain to discern that it's best to not use chat for that, especially after just having his last chance given to him.

Tiddlywinks3 votes

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Another thing I'd like to touch on is the inability for players to just ignore these mild salty and negative comments. They are actually not harmful.

Exactly. He's a bit whiny but apart from muting him, I wouldn't do much else.

biggswigg1 votes

also Ive played this game yesterday

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

I just wanted to drop in and clarify that severity is subjective, and as such, I think it's not a huge component of their consideration for bans. That's my feeling based on what I've seen.

Hate speech is insta-punish, but everything else appears to be roughly at the same level.

You were negative to your team in this game. That's punishable! Period! I understand why that's frustrating for people, because it feels like people are out there who say worse things.

That's not the way it works though; in game, you're either a positive with your words, you are neutral and silent, or you are a negative with your words. This is a negative chat log. It seems pretty straightforward to me, when you approach it from that perspective.

BUEMHO1 votes

I got 25 chat restrict for this......i think it is absolutely insane...and believe that these new strict rules are ruining this game...personally i will never spend a dime on this game anymore with these absurd and unfair penalties http://imgur.com/a/aOyyS

Chermorg3 votes

Riot would much rather have less money from decent community members than more money from toxic community members.

They've said this multiple times, and it actually makes business sense. They lose more money off of people that leave due to toxicity than they lose money due to people leaving due to suspensions/bans. I.e., banning toxic players will always result in more money for Riot, and a better community.

Desroyol1 votes

Man same thing happened to me today, they instantly perma banned me after i got off the 14 day ban 2 weeks ago. I've given them almost 100$ and they ban me because a majority of my team wanted to report me because i told them to stop playing bad.Game 1 Desroyol: come on Desroyol: ashe Desroyol: ur so bad Desroyol: you keep gettinf caught up Desroyol: i shouldnt have tried ot help you Desroyol: i am though ap shaco is a real support Desroyol: lvl 6 shaco Desroyol: i did that to push em back but you wanted to dive Desroyol: and you waited at base for what Desroyol: takin what Desroyol: you just sitting there Desroyol: not even focuisng CS Desroyol: taking WHAT Desroyol: youre just sitting around while im trying to give you positioning Desroyol: yo report ashe for sitting around not even trying to play Desroyol: typing while im dying Desroyol: shes typing while im dying Desroyol: ty garen Desroyol: garen man Desroyol: u lost ur lane Desroyol: garen idk why ud gank anyone if ur top lane and top lane took ur lane Desroyol: plz let jg gank instead Desroyol: but i appreciate it man Desroyol: doesnt mean you let them take urs while u roam Desroyol: im being nice dont get brawlic online it doesnt make sense Desroyol: gg wp guys Desroyol: she didnt when i was around because she didnt like me getting mad at her for standind around Desroyol: im not an ass tho Desroyol: mad about my team mate standing around and typing when i die, isnt being an ass Desroyol: got one gank all game Desroyol: and had a top laner give up top, and mid laner give up mid and ashe gave up helping bot Desroyol: im lvl 6 shaco, i win games shaco support. ashe didnt even try to help me Desroyol: but noyou all MUST know more than me huh, you guys watched my WHOLE game huh Desroyol: enemy team did great, my team threw it half way Desroyol: and he ruined his lane Desroyol: I HADN O HELP ALL LANING PHASE I CANT DO ANYTHING NOW GUY Desroyol: GOT ONE GANK, HAD A ADC WHO COULDNT HELP IN LANE Desroyol: I WONDER WHY IM NOT DONG WELL HUH I HAD NO HELP Desroyol: you guys werent even focusing towers only garen Desroyol: and jungle didnt get one dragon Desroyol: use ur brain kids Desroyol: go back to school Desroyol: cant even spell fair right Desroyol: i was nice till yall wanted to act up like tough guys online you guys didnt play well and we all suffered Desroyol: idc if you are against me yall are KIDS Desroyol: cant even spell correctly like get a life Desroyol: i might start one.. arguing with kids that cant even spell fair correctly Desroyol: no point wasting time ill go win my next game Desroyol: spelling means alot twitch, difference between fair and fare is huge guy Game 2 Desroyol: no help guys? Desroyol: i dove and yall sit back Desroyol: omfg Desroyol: you guys literally let them have their way with us Desroyol: idk why u got so close to them to let them dmg you then die under our turret Desroyol: if you need tips or w/e ask. i want to win Desroyol: gj ashe Desroyol: GG WP. we lost already, my team isnt trying i geuss Desroyol: yeah Desroyol: ashe we lost this, our other teammates dont care Desroyol: 300 ping ashe? Desroyol: J$ we the only ones trying Desroyol: dont go 1-6 and expect me to think ur trying Desroyol: i said ask for tips Desroyol: so there goes tht excuse Desroyol: just saying i offered help to try to win Desroyol: im not BRAGGING I WANT TO WIN AND I OFFERED HELP FOR YOU GUYS TO DO BETTER Desroyol: use ur brain Desroyol: j4 talon and nunu arent trying/theyre new to their champ Desroyol: gg wp Desroyol: report j4 if you dont mind, seems he's not trying tbh Desroyol: its ur call if u want to Game 3 Desroyol: come on ... Desroyol: omfg Desroyol: yall dont EVER back me up Desroyol: i swear only ziggs be trying to help, yall just sit back and TRY to ks Desroyol: why u 7 detahs deep Desroyol: straight trying to ks and u die Desroyol: like i said Desroyol: ya cuz when i go in yall sit back Desroyol: THEN engage after i die Desroyol: all that talk annie is just gonna get u muted Desroyol: but try to engage with me Desroyol: wondering how fast im going to get the instant feedback report for reporting you Desroyol: yeah see thats going to be why ur gonna get mu Desroyol: muted Desroyol: we'd have won by now but no one is working as a team, gg wp though Desroyol: im saying we'd have won by now

let me know how you're gonna go about contacting riot if you plan on it man

Winek Chan2 votes

Regarding the first part where you call Ashe bad: calling people bad is negative, makes people unsure about their skills and ruin their experience in league, hence why you were banned. You should have said it in a more friendlier way.

So many other parts of is are toxic as well, including: Desroyol: you just sitting there Desroyol: not even focuisng CS

Desroyol: use ur brain kids Desroyol: go back to school Desroyol: cant even spell fair right

Desroyol: idc if you are against me yall are KIDS Desroyol: cant even spell correctly like get a life

Desroyol: GG WP. we lost already, my team isnt trying i geuss

Desroyol: use ur brain

Desroyol: yall dont EVER back me up Desroyol: i swear only ziggs be trying to help, yall just sit back and TRY to ks

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

you have to remember its a computer program reading your chat. it is seeing things you wrote like 'reported' 'ff' and 'bronze af' as toxic phrases. a computer program cant understand context. never quote someone's toxicity in chat and watch out for typing certain keywords that the program might be looking for.

you should try to appeal it. you were sort of negative but i bet the biggest things that got you were those phrases where you were just repeating what syndra said

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