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Evilizedlol··1 votes·6,128 views

[quote] Game 1 Evilizedlol: this kayle and yasuo very toxic please report them. Evilizedlol: report kayle and yasuo verbal abuse entire game so far its tilting me Evilizedlol: "garbage ass twitch" "%%%got twitch" "shit twitch" "report twitch" toxic verbal abuse entire gma Evilizedlol: youre going to regret not letting me play twitch was first thing kayle said when game started Evilizedlol: jesus report this kayle and yasuo Evilizedlol: cause twitch was carrying i know Evilizedlol: report him for carrying you lol [/quote]

This is the only game from my little warning box. I was in solo queue and got a game as adc. A player got auto fill into support and demanded either top or adc, of which neither request happened. Some flames were exchanged in lobby yes. Enter the game I was twitch, the angry auto filler picked kayle letting me know he was trolling me.

I spent the rest of the game being harrased and shit talked by both the kayle and the top lane yasuo player. Seldom responding to their goading in team chat or all chat, with constant calls of me being a troll, telling the other team to report me, and so on with critiques of my play.

How is it I am the one to end up with a account action? I spend 40 minutes being berated and told I'm trash, I'm shit, I suck ect ect ect ect and I get in trouble?

Seriously fix your game and remove my chat restriction and take action against the people that deserve it.

68 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram50 votes

Seriously fix your game and remove my chat restriction and take action against the people that deserve it.

I was really close to reverting this, but then I took a look at the pre-game chat.

" look at this fucktard with kayle and heal for support yes this guy is fucking bronze as it comes ill be feeding cause the other team will be playing ateam game while you just be a fucktard %%%%%%% you are such a nu male %%%got please go die "

This type of chat is not acceptable, and certainly warrants a chat restriction. Yes, you were then harassed in game because of this, which isn't a surprise. A fight you started in pre-game and others continued into game. You are not completely innocent in this case.

Anomander6 votes

I love the fact that PRE-game Chat is why he gets to remain banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And people say riot doesn't look at pre and post game chat.

AkaliTheOP1 votes

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I love the fact that PRE-game Chat is why he gets to remain banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And people say riot doesn't look at pre and post game chat.

The automated system doesn't check them, but riot employees will if you have a case similar to this one.

Evilizedlol1 votes

I didn't start it guy, the person who got auto filled did, maybe I contributed and finished it. You pick and choose instead of showing the entire chat or my entire pre game chat, trying to get some kind of "rekt by red" crap, does riot hire 12 year olds?

Did you earn some internet points here? I also stated in my op that pre game lobby flames were exchanged.

Riots system here is flawed, we all know it.

Also by your logic and statment here if someone flames pre lobby I am now entitled to spam /all chat the entire game now? Since you seem to think it was alright, I guess I will have to do this in future games now since riot employees endorse that behavior.

AeroWaffle9 votes

In what world is;

ill be feeding cause the other team will be playing ateam game while you just be a fucktard %%%%%%% you are such a nu male %%%got please go die

acceptable behavior in front of strangers?

Zombiemaster10 votes

{quoted}

I didn't start it guy, the person who got auto filled did, maybe I contributed and finished it.

It really doesn't matter who started the fight at all. What matters is if you contributed to it, and you certainly did. If someone starts a fight, adding to it with your own negative behavior does absolutely nothing except add fuel to the existing flame, making the situation even worse. When someone is being toxic towards you, the proper response is to mute/ignore them and report them after the game. They may not be punished after that particular game (depending on how frequently they behave like that), but if they do continue that kind of behavior then they will indeed be punished.

Also by your logic and statment here if someone flames pre lobby I am now entitled to spam /all chat the entire game now? Since you seem to think it was alright, I guess I will have to do this in future games now since riot employees endorse that behavior.

No, it's not alright to spam in /all chat the entire game, and Riot is not endorsing that behavior at all. If a toxic player is not punished after a particular game, that does not mean that their behavior is acceptable. It generally takes multiple games of reports before a review of the account is triggered, so if these players weren't punished, it likely means that they don't behave like this very frequently.

RiotRiot Tantram37 votes

does riot hire 12 year olds? .. Did you earn some internet points here? .. I guess I will have to do this in future games now since riot employees endorse that behavior.

Yup. Totally not someone who flames.

the Anarchit3cht8 votes

Definitely not! You should reverse his penalty and give him 9999 RP and well-worded apology!

Jo0o9 votes

Holy shit, point out to this guy that he's lucky to have gotten away with just a chat restriction.

Ad Vitam Aeterna1 votes

You can see pre game chat??? DOes that mean you can also see post game chat?

Burklight1 votes

Does this mean that defending yourself when you're harassed is allowed now? Because I thought Riot's stance on player behavior is that "You're responsible for what you say and no one else, and that's why we don't even look at what other people say when we consider who gets banned."

RiotRiot Tantram12 votes

Does this mean that defending yourself when you're harassed is allowed now?

Absolutely not.

Burklight2 votes

I mean, you DID just say "A fight you started in pre-game and others continued into game. You are not completely innocent in this case." makes it seem like you're ok with him getting harassed, because he clearly asked for it. I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but what you're saying isn't consistent with what your policy has been.

TrulyBland1 votes

"Not completely innocent" is not the same as "asking for it".

The point, how I understood it, is that apart from omitting their own bad behaviour, OP is in part responsible for the resulting fight that they are now using as a sob story. From my perspective stating that OP started the fight only helps to show the contrast between OP's side of the story and the reality of what happened.

Burklight1 votes

I'm not suggesting the OP is innocent. All I'm saying is that as soon as you use "Well, you started the fight" to justify a ban/chat restriction, it's a pretty big contrast from just about every other "I got banned unjustly" sob story reaction. Almost every "I didn't deserve my ban" story posted on forums has the same response from Riot. It goes like this "It doesn't matter what the other person did, the only person you're responsible for is yourself."

The reason this logic shouldn't fly is because stating that "You started it" implies that someone else did something because of the behavior of the OP. By Riot's logic, as well as their own rules, that shouldn't matter.

To be clear, I'm of the opinion that it should matter. But you'll never get a Riot employee to agree with you until they need to fall back on it to defend a restriction/ban.

TrulyBland4 votes

From the post you replied to:

This type of chat is not acceptable, and certainly warrants a chat restriction.

The chatlogs were the justification, not the fact that OP started the fight. The reveal that OP lied about an even irrelevant part of the story is just the icing on the cake.

Evilizedlol1 votes

I didn't lie, my op stated that flames were exchanged in the pre game lobby.

Also you are taking what this riot employee posted from the pre game lobby out of context, it does not show the start, or end, or the other side.

I didn't come here with some sob story, I posted the log that got me the restriction, the same log that does not take into account the pre game lobby. The log was not ban worthy.

It was a 10 game restriction which is already over. It's the point of the matter that 2 players can openly harass you a entire game and you saying nothing inflammatory during the game will still get you chat restricted because two players decide to cry to report you in /all for 40 minutes(which is funny because others keep pointing out that spamming or even saying report in all chat is harrasment as justification for my restiction).

I know you guys love to be on the red bandwagon but damn open your eyes.

TrulyBland5 votes

First off: Apologies. "Lie" was certainly the wrong word to use there, and I very consciously didn't use it in the first post.

However it is not the wrong word to use in the context of what you claim now:

you saying nothing inflammatory during the game will still get you chat restricted

You did say inflammatory things. Tantram posted the inflammatory things you said during the game. The "game" begins at champion selection. There's not some magical time threshold after which you are expected to behave. You are expected to behave the moment you start interacting with other players. The things you said were not acceptable and that's the only thing that's important here; not what the others said.

Xidphel

So I'm not allowed to mute the guy and report them later? Good to know.

RiotRiot Tantram14 votes

Wut?

TrulyBland12 votes

Going to save this somewhere. It's always good to have a redpost you can reference, when you are arguing with somebody. I'm sure this will come in handy.

To quote Riot Tantram:

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HRWcTKKJ,comment-id=00020004000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-04T20:01:30.933+0000)

Wut?

Yep, yep... this will do.

o Maui o1 votes

http://images01.rememes.com/images/2013/07/df0e1c80-f3cf-11e2-b0c0-7054d21a8f10.gif.pagespeed.ce.rImP0mx2if.gif

is this the gif you were looking for

Xidphel3 votes

Defending yourself from harassment is muting the other player in this game. When asked when defending yourself is allowed, you said no. Ergo, by your words, you are not allowed to mute others in the game.

VoidStaresBack13 votes

That's...

One of the dumbest interpretations of that I've ever heard.

"Defending yourself" as it is used on this board is almost exclusively used to mean "retaliatory toxicity" rather than "mute and report", which Riot Tantram knows and is probably asked about on a regular basis. Thus, the answer to your unclear question is the answer to the question that has been asked many times on this board, and you're choosing to take the worst possible interpretation of it for... reasons, I guess.

Xidphel2 votes

Personal entertainment, mostly. I also love how at the time of posting, I got the same score as those who replied to me but in the negatives.

The PB&M truly is a magical place.

Hyperiön1 votes

The type of defending the guy suggested was being able to talk back to them and defend yourself.

Here is the 3 steps to better your league experience.

Step 1: Mute. Step 2: Play. Step 3: Report.

I hope this has helped a fellow league player today, It would be terrible if someone can't comprehend something.

Xidphel1 votes

I'm aware. Also, I'm taking a break from League. Still visiting the boards, though.

Xidphel1 votes

Shit! Either Tantram or I need 2 downvotes!

Picanha962 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HRWcTKKJ,comment-id=000200040000,timestamp=2017-01-04T19:04:49.822+0000)

Absolutely not.

Actually in law it is. Search for lawfully taking law into one's hand!

TrulyBland4 votes

{quoted}

Actually in law it is. Search for lawfully taking law into one's hand!

"Defending yourself" as a phrase is used vastly different in the context of LoL punishments from how it is in reality. In LoL the only effective way you can actually defend yourself is muting the other person. If you start yelling back at somebody who's flaming you, you are not defending yourself, you are defending your ego.

If in real life, you are attacked while you have a wonderful piece of technology with you that at the press of a button immediately makes it impossible for the attacker to keep attacking you, with no negative side-effects for either you or the attacker, but you still choose to simply bash their face in, it's going to be tricky to cite self defense. At least in some countries.

Picanha961 votes

{quoted}

"Defending yourself" as a phrase is used vastly different in the context of LoL punishments from how it is in reality. In LoL the only effective way you can actually defend yourself is muting the other person. If you start yelling back at somebody who's flaming you, you are not defending yourself, you are defending your ego.

If in real life, you are attacked while you have a wonderful piece of technology with you that at the press of a button immediately makes it impossible for the attacker to keep attacking you, with no negative side-effects for either you or the attacker, but you still choose to simply bash their face in, it's going to be tricky to cite self defense. At least in some countries.

Our Ego is a Part of Ourself. If the assailant steals my property or even wounds my pride. I am allowed to chase the assailant and acquire restitution by force because untill authorities remedy me Their job is going to get very difficult.

TrulyBland1 votes

Again something that is not necessary here though... that's what reports are for. The account of a person cannot run away or hide from persecution. The justification for taking the law in your own hand that do exist in real life under very specific circumstances simply don't hold in this environment.

Picanha961 votes

Constitutional Law????

My problem is not Riot Condemning the Suspect. That's too easy and they calously do so uninhibited by any morallity with no fair trials at all.

The thing is Arresting the suspect Alive. To Condemn someone First you need to Arrest them and then Prosecute them.

No one explained to me that

{quoted}

However horrible cancer as a disease is, MY attempts to raise awareness of it being used as an insult and joke could be seen as an attempt to belittle other peoples' struggle with acceptance.

This interpretetion seemed strange even to my Psychiatrist I am only 20 years old I could not imagine I belittled other people's strugle by saying just that I choose women and my parents decided to bear my accepting that I am white.

Instead of a a morally complete and fair trial RIot's Volunteers kept punishing me without explaining.

The thing is that while the account cannot runaway Riot does not care for single instance They will not even be Arrested or Prosecuted. ;Thats nothing they only did it once.

-Just explain to them why did they act immorally.....

TrulyBland2 votes

You are assuming they don't get prosecuted... and again, arresting them is not necessary in this context. Arresting is yet another procedure that serves no purpose when investigation and prosecution do not depend on somebody's physical location.

That out of context quote and the out of context explanation as to what you were doing in that other thread have no place here.

Also: I'd like to answer your question of "Constitutional Law????" but... I'm not entirely sure what you are asking.

Picanha961 votes

Riot has stated they do not care for single instances only for repeated patterns.

Philosophically Aressing someone only means to aledge you believe he commited the crime and he is going to be tried.

Prosecuted is when you believe you hold enough proof for the trial.

TrulyBland2 votes

Philosophically Aressing someone only means to aledge you believe he commited the crime and he is going to be tried.

So in other words: Reporting. That's literally the effect reporting has in LoL. Just because you don't like the outcome of that "trial" doesn't mean you are allowed to take the law in your own hand.

Picanha961 votes

Onlu the Authorities can arrest Someone

Reports are alike legal complains a lawsuit

TrulyBland1 votes

Don't know about your country, but in Germany anybody is allowed to arrest somebody. I will admit I don't know if it's the proper legal term to use in the english language, but it follows the exact definition you just gave me. If you believe somebody has commited a crime you are allowed to physically arrest them until the police arrives. That's not really the same as self defense but there's obviously a large intersection there.

I was assuming this was the part you were talking about when you were talking about physically chasing an assailant. Otherwise I absolutely lost track of what you want from Riot.

You are allowed to report somebody to the authorities for them to settle the issue according to the law. You are allowed take the law into your own hand if it's necessary to ensure the authorities can properly work the case, e.g. saving evidence and/or arresting a suspect (which is never the case in LoL) or if you fear for your health or property (which is never the case in LoL).

You are not allowed to take the law into your own hand because you disagree with the law (which would be the "The law won't punish him, so I punish him myself"-case). You are not allowed to take the law into your own hand purely out of vengeance either (which would be the "he hurt my ego, so I wanted to get back at him"-case).

So please, be so kind and elaborate why you ever should be allowed to take the law into your own hand when being harassed in League of Legends?

TrulyBland2 votes

{quoted}

Long Story Short. I got banned because I said saying Yasuo is Cancer or You are spastic is worse than saying Yasuo is gay and You are a %%%got.

I want both a trial for my punishments And Naming and Shaming allowed.

And that's the point where I take my leave. Can't say I didn't see it coming, but I figured I'd humour you for as long as you manage to stay even remotely on topic. I won't assist you in hijacking a thread into your personal favorite debates that have absolutely nothing to do with this case/thread.

Dikast1s1 votes

So defending myself when im being harassed in-game is not allowed?What kind of logic is this?

Kei1432 votes

I think you are misunderstanding him.

Tantram said that he was thinking of reverting it, but he didn't due to what was said in pre-game chat.

Burklight1 votes

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not suggesting the OP should or shouldn't have his punishment reverted. I'm saying that when your policy states "You are responsible for you and no one else" you shouldn't then 180 and imply that what happened to the OP was ok because he started it. I think the main reason people get frustrated with these bans (other than the fact that they're banned) is because Riot is pretty hypocritical with this sort of thing.

TrulyBland1 votes

But there is no hypocrisy... You are interpreting it as hypocritical by assuming a lot of things that were not said and ignoring very specific things that were said.

Kei1431 votes

What happened to the OP (specifically referring to how he got harassed in game) is not OK, and the other toxic people will be punished in their own time if they were continuously toxic.

They've been pretty consistent so far with punishing people whom are consistently toxic.

Burklight1 votes

The argument he used to defend the punishment was not.

TrulyBland1 votes

This type of chat is not acceptable, and certainly warrants a chat restriction.

This argument? Because that's the only argument I see in that post that is used to defend the punishment.

Kei1431 votes

Yes, you were then harassed in game because of this, which isn't a surprise. A fight you started in pre-game and others continued into game. You are not completely innocent in this case.

or this?

there's nothing hypocritical about this statement.

LatetotheRace1 votes

I've heard that pre-game chat isn't always taken into account, and the same with the end game chat. If so, why?

Oleandervine7 votes

You don't get punishment from one offense. You get them from being reported over several games for the same thing, meaning that you've clearly had reports made against you.

Additionally, your consistent calling for reports is considered harrassment and is also a reportable offense.

Evilizedlol1 votes

it was a single game.

They two players spent the entire game bad mouthing me in all chat and calling for me to be reported in all chat the entire game.

I should just sit by silent and not defend myself, sure, I get it, sorry. Ill just take my ban in silence next time.

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