I thought witch players that makes the game bad. And i figured that it's actually the trollers not the tilters that makes the game bad. Yes I admit it, I'm a toxic guy who get's really pissed of. But i Think that if there are no trollers there will be no toxicity. I thought of where toxicity comes from. And i figured it out when I played with a nunu with clense and ghost mid who made nexus open at 15 min. So riot, if you read this, please Think at least!
ModThe Djinn7 votesThe problem is that tilting players are often tilted by things that aren't trolls -- someone else doing poorly, them seeing a situation only through their own eyes (assuming a jungler is trolling them because he's not ganking when really he's ganking other lanes or just having a rough game), or by any number of other things.
It's also hard to differentiate whether someone is a troll, or someone is tilted -- the end result is that the outcome to the other players in the game is the same.
KORGtuners1 votesThere is no problem.
Unban tilters.
Then ban all the judgementals. It will be easy to spot them.
ModThe Djinn2 votes{quoted}Unban tilters.
Riot doesn't have a list of banned people sorted into categories though.
KORGtuners1 votesHow do you know?
ModThe Djinn2 votesHow do you know?
I'm not 100% certain, of course, but given that they don't seem concerned with the reason behind the behavior so much as the outcome of the behavior itself, I doubt they have bothered to build systems that can determine when someone is clearly tilting vs. when they're just volatile in general vs. when they pick fights specifically to troll.
Plus, given the number of non-troll-based reasons someone can tilt [bad day, bad game, bad teammates, frustrated someone isn't listening to them, mad someone picked a "bad" champion, etc], they're going to still be issues without trolls. If you tilt in a fashion that results in punishment then you need to work on your OWN behavior. Many people manage to tilt in less offensive, less problematic ways.
KORGtuners1 votesDefine "many". Oh right, you don't have data. You sure are vigilant for someone that is just guessing at everything.
ModThe Djinn2 votesDefine "many". Oh right, you don't have data. You sure are vigilant for someone that is just guessing at everything.
Dude -- everyone has strings of bad games. That's the definition of tilting -- letting past games or in-game behavior affect your performance and throw you off. EVERYONE tilts in some manner or another at some point. Just the other day I had a team really get to me, realized I was being slightly passive aggressive, stopped typing, and then quit for the afternoon to calm down once the game was over. It happens. But if your tilting involves insults and slurs, for example, that's an issue. :P
And I'm not entirely guessing. I'm basing my assumptions on information Riot has shared, a general knowledge of human behavior patterns, and what I've seen from behavior over seven years of playing the game and a few years of browsing this forum. You will notice I'm also not claiming to be perfectly accurate though. <3
KORGtuners1 votesYou speak of experience, and yet you have none. We have suffered many years with punishment systems. When does freedom get a chance?
ModThe Djinn2 votesYou speak of experience, and yet you have none. We have suffered many years with punishment systems. When does freedom get a chance?
Amusingly, I didn't mention experience once save in relation to things I have actually done. I've never had the experience of being punished personally, but I have had the experience of seeing what behavior gets others punished, and the experiences of toxicity in games that often causes people (including myself) to tilt, in whatever manner that person is inclined to tilt. Those two aren't identical, but I also never said they were. :)
Also, I'm not sure what freedom having a chance has to do with anything here, frankly. Everyone has a chance, and often several, given how the punishment system works. But there's no second last chance after the existing last chance, and that's just a fact that I can share but can't change -- I don't have anything to do with Riot's decision.
Sometimes there just are lasting consequences to actions. This is one of those situations, as per Riot's decisions and policies. Full stop.
KORGtuners1 votesAmusingly, I didn't mention experience once save in relation to things I have actually done.
AKA you speak of experience, and yet you have none. :)
You have never experienced an absolute freedom system in League. That means never punishing anyone. Unbanning everyone.
We may never experience such a system.
That does not mean your opinion can not change. For science alone, you should want to at least try freedom. If only for, just to see what happens.
ModThe Djinn5 votes{quoted}You have never experienced an absolute freedom system in League. That means never punishing anyone. Unbanning everyone.
We may never experience such a system.
Actually, we did have this sort of wild west! This was sort of the first period of League, if I remember correctly. League launched in 2009, and the Tribunal didn't appear until 2011.
There's a reason we have the punishment system. It proved useful, and players requested some system for preventing abuse. :)
For science alone, you should want to at least try freedom. If only for, just to see what happens.
Nah. By that logic I'd love to nuke the globe as well, just because we don't know EXACTLY what will happen, or maybe make murder legal just because "hey, maybe it'll work out great." There's a big difference between exploring the unknown and slamming your face into something you're pretty sure will have awful results just because you haven't FULLY tested it. :P
Anyway, I'm off. You have a good day. :)
KORGtuners1 votesThere's a reason we have the punishment system. It proved useful, and players requested some system for preventing abuse. :)
More guesses. With no proof because you are afraid of science.
Nah. By that logic I'd love to nuke the globe as well, just because we don't know EXACTLY what will happen, or maybe make murder legal just because "hey, maybe it'll work out great."
Science is not good or bad. That would be biased. Since we are talking about player behavior in a video game, I'm confident the worst thing that could happen is not very disruptive to life.
WHO KNOWS THOUGH? Because no one is willing to try.
I find it a little silly you brought up nuclear weapons. Humans actually did test nuclear weapons. Humans tested devices that were designed to kill life, Yet, here we are arguing whether forgiveness should even be tested.
AeroWaffle1 votesDo you have any reason to believe that Riot sorts banned players into different categories of poor chat behavior?
KORGtuners1 votesWhy do you care what I believe?
AeroWaffle1 votesYou expressed that Riot should;
Unban tilters. Then ban all the judgementals
Which would be impossible without a large-scale manual re-review (which is not a feasible action given the amount of punishments), or already sort the punishments as they come in.
So if you have no reason to believe that Riot sorts different types of chat behavior punishments, your request is not possible.
KORGtuners1 votesMaybe our discussion will reach all the newspapers in the world. It will put so much cultural pressure on Riot, that they will be forced to action. What I ask for is impossible though. So now Riot goes bankrupt for failure to comply with cultural standards. Oh crap, you just tricked me into exposing my diabolical plan.
Jo0o1 votesDafuq you say.
Jamaree1 votesYou don't get banned for tilting.
BananasInPyamas1 votesi did
ModThe Djinn4 votesi did
You get banned for the behavior you exhibit when tilting, which is a slightly different thing from the act itself. Some people tilt by playing poorly, or becoming uncommunicative. Others tilt by becoming aggressive, throwing insults, or similar behavior. The latter is the issue, not the tilting itself.
Troll for Trump1 votesNo, the latter is caused by tilting; the issue is the tilting and what causes it itself.
You fix what causes the tilting and not the symptoms of the tilt. All of those are bad behavior.
Many people that become toxic when they tilt avoid it by taking it out in real life. You can see Disco Heat videos for instance; his most recent one has some guy becoming tilted and breaking his keyboard on the table during a stream.
That behavior is just as unhealthy; taking your anger out in real life is not a solution to tilt.
Once again, what needs fixing is the source of the tilt.
Joxcab1 votesThey don't deserve to play.
Kei1431 votesthey probably started normal first, made a bad play and you flamed them. now they just tilted and playing even worse and now branded as a troller by you.