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chat gets taken out of context by the auto ban system

Ángel del Gatos·2/27/2018, 10:26:11 AM·1 votes·1,042 views

I can post my in game chat log for reference if anybody wants to see it but in general, most of what i said in this particular game was "please report jarvan for standing in base" or "please report jarvan for walking right passed xayah in a fight" or other things. i'm not asking for an unban cause i know how hard it would be to make the automated ban system more dynamic I view this as a harsh and unnecessary ban. i know that's been said before but in this game i was literally either asking for reports for the toxic jungler or complimenting my team...


Game 1
Ángel del Gatos: don't help me leash or it will steal
Ángel del Gatos: get early push bot
Ángel del Gatos: no smite obviously
Ángel del Gatos: i said don't help me leash dude      < malz mid used his first ability to help me leash when i said not to
Ángel del Gatos: wasted smite                                    < i play shaco sup and i give no smite leashes + gromp leashes when on top team
Ángel del Gatos: im not trolling                                    < jarvan accused me of trying to steal blue
Ángel del Gatos: wtf                                    < same as above. i shouldn't have said "wtf" but i've been accused of trying to steal buffs many times as shaco
Ángel del Gatos: was gonna help leash gromp too

-(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: wow kid                                             < he died to raptors as he said 
Ángel del Gatos: obviously you should                       < "u should talk less... and fuck your mother more"
Ángel del Gatos: cause you died typing
Ángel del Gatos: lmfao
Ángel del Gatos: dont let a xayah push
Ángel del Gatos: she can do crazy damage even under tower
Ángel del Gatos: when u think u gotta focus on cs

-(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: dude trolling?                                  < jarvan came bot, flagged over the wall and then walked to the tower as if he wasn't ganking
Ángel del Gatos: jesus dude
Ángel del Gatos: and that flag when you first got here
Ángel del Gatos: makes me think he was just taking cs to be a dick        < not only did he troll gank, but then he went and took cs while we almost killed adc
Ángel del Gatos: obviously he has a chat mute
Ángel del Gatos: im the only shaco sup i know but ok kid   < called me a %%%% shaco sup (i have 80% winrate as shaco [support] in ranked atm. bronze btw)
Ángel del Gatos: called it                                                         < he admitted to having a chat restriction
Ángel del Gatos: garen sits in bush

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: while xayah pushes
Ángel del Gatos: and twitch waits for last hits                       < jarvan spam pinging me when we lost first tower for no reason as i was trying to defend
Ángel del Gatos: and we lose first tower
Ángel del Gatos: why ping me lmao

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: jarvan actually trolling rn
Ángel del Gatos: report the jarvan please                               < jarvan standing in fountain for a few minutes

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: thsi poppy omg                                               < poppy made a sick play and i was complimenting her
Ángel del Gatos: and jarvans just gonna ruin it                        < then i realized it was all in vain

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: everyone should take jg camps                    < jarvan had been afk for about 1/4th of the game at this point, 15 mins in.

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: you literally walked passed the xayah          < we killed xayah in our jungle without jarvans help and he even came as close as five pixels...
Ángel del Gatos: just to try to let her get away                        < away from her but then walked to blue and didn't even touch her.

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: dont even start lmfao                                    < jarvan said something along the lines of "shaco was flaming me how am i the bad guy"
Ángel del Gatos: hes just standing in base                              < jarvan was standing in base
Ángel del Gatos: report jarvan. he's literally standing in bas right now
Ángel del Gatos: and he called me a %%%% Q.Q                         < oh yeah, he called me a %%%% at some point. i wasn't bothered 
Ángel del Gatos: lmfaooo                                                          < malzahar said "kids get frustrated when they get tired" or something like that
Ángel del Gatos: rip

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: no need
Ángel del Gatos: he already admitted to having chat restrictions LMFAO      < twitch said to just mute him. it was a little joke i guess.
Ángel del Gatos: ive never flamed you                                                               < jarvan accusing me of flaming again
Ángel del Gatos: all i said was malzahar shouldn't have helped me leash
Ángel del Gatos: and then i said i wasn't trolling or trying to take your blue
Ángel del Gatos: lmfao
Ángel del Gatos: ur literally trolling dude

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: bad timing                        < twitch died in bot when i was almost there and said "help, hello?"
Ángel del Gatos: hello?                               < this was my response

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: ikr
Ángel del Gatos: that's a lot of damage    < xayah rekt me

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: xay
Ángel del Gatos: here

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: did you not see him walk right passed you in the jungle early game xay?
Ángel del Gatos: he was sitting in wolves watching us get gtwo kills
Ángel del Gatos: doing literally nothing                                                                                             < twitch was asking in all chat to report jarvan
Ángel del Gatos: on top of that he's sat in fountain for at least 10 minutes of this game          < we go the basic "haha we're winning so no"
Ángel del Gatos: before roaming into enemy jg

(moment between anyone talking)

Ángel del Gatos: yeah your adc can push ez
Ángel del Gatos: that's all ur bot lane did right                < enemy garen sup was saying something about how he was soo good yet xayah did all the work

i have been toxic in the past and i'm trying my darndest to clean up my act. i'm not asking for an early release from my 14-day suspension but i would really love it if bans like this wouldn't happen any more... i know you can't exactly assume i'm telling the truth about the situational relevance of all of my messages, and, to an automated ban system this would simply look like a necessary ban if i take it out of context and just post the chat log as it is on my screen right now before sectioning it out and showing that some of the things i said were compliments even though they could look like insults in bad light (i.e. "this poppy omg") it might look like i was being just toxic enough for people to assume im a jerk. i can assure you that the extend of my negativity was calling jarvan a "kid" for telling me to fuck my mother more and talk in chat less when all i had even done was ask for nobody to help me leash. i've honestly never seen someone more toxic and frustrating than that jarvan, as far as i can recall.

again, i am not asking for a clear of my suspension, i'm just hoping that this sheds a little bit of light on how the automated ban system could be improved or reduced.


this is how my chat logs look the the automated ban system and it's easy to tell how it could look bad in comparison to the above text

Ángel del Gatos: don't help me leash or it will steal
Ángel del Gatos: get early push bot
Ángel del Gatos: no smite obviously
Ángel del Gatos: i said don't help me leash dude
Ángel del Gatos: wasted smite
Ángel del Gatos: im not trolling
Ángel del Gatos: wtf
Ángel del Gatos: was gonna help leash gromp too
Ángel del Gatos: wow kid
Ángel del Gatos: obviously you should
Ángel del Gatos: cause you died typing
Ángel del Gatos: lmfao
Ángel del Gatos: dont let a xayah push
Ángel del Gatos: she can do crazy damage even under tower
Ángel del Gatos: when u think u gotta focus on cs
Ángel del Gatos: dude trolling?
Ángel del Gatos: jesus dude
Ángel del Gatos: and that flag when you first got here
Ángel del Gatos: makes me think he was just taking cs to be a dick
Ángel del Gatos: obviously he has a chat mute
Ángel del Gatos: im the only shaco sup i know but ok kid
Ángel del Gatos: called it
Ángel del Gatos: garen sits in bush
Ángel del Gatos: while xayah pushes
Ángel del Gatos: and twitch waits for last hits
Ángel del Gatos: and we lose first tower
Ángel del Gatos: why ping me lmao
Ángel del Gatos: jarvan actually trolling rn
Ángel del Gatos: report the jarvan please
Ángel del Gatos: thsi poppy omg
Ángel del Gatos: and jarvans just gonna ruin it
Ángel del Gatos: everyone should take jg camps
Ángel del Gatos: you literally walked passed the xayah
Ángel del Gatos: just to try to let her get away
Ángel del Gatos: dont even start lmfao
Ángel del Gatos: hes just standing in base
Ángel del Gatos: report jarvan. he's literally standing in bas right now
Ángel del Gatos: and he called me a %%%% Q.Q
Ángel del Gatos: lmfaooo
Ángel del Gatos: rip
Ángel del Gatos: no need
Ángel del Gatos: he already admitted to having chat restrictions LMFAO
Ángel del Gatos: ive never flamed you
Ángel del Gatos: all i said was malzahar shouldn't have helped me leash
Ángel del Gatos: and then i said i wasn't trolling or trying to take your blue
Ángel del Gatos: lmfao
Ángel del Gatos: ur literally trolling dude
Ángel del Gatos: bad timing
Ángel del Gatos: hello?
Ángel del Gatos: ikr
Ángel del Gatos: that's a lot of damage
Ángel del Gatos: xay
Ángel del Gatos: here
Ángel del Gatos: did you not see him walk right passed you in the jungle early game xay?
Ángel del Gatos: he was sitting in wolves watching us get gtwo kills
Ángel del Gatos: doing literally nothing
Ángel del Gatos: on top of that he's sat in fountain for at least 10 minutes of this game
Ángel del Gatos: before roaming into enemy jg
Ángel del Gatos: yeah your adc can push ez
Ángel del Gatos: that's all ur bot lane did right

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if anyone has any input on exactly what i am doing wrong, please let me know in the comments.
the worst thing i did in my opinion was "kid" "lmfao" and asking for reports on jarvan in all chat

i promise i was just chillin, confused as heck cause i had no clue at all why he was acting that way


(* i know this is a huge post but i'm sure if something were to be done to make the automated ban system more dynamic, it would need a lot of reference)

24 Comments

zPOOPz2/27/2018, 10:32:12 AM3 votes

You are quite obnoxious. One of the report option is negative attitude (because it distracts your teammates from the game) and you've shown plenty in this log with or without context. Also repeating whatever that %%%% thing was a very terrible idea. All your teammates can see what he typed and you really shouldn't involved the enemies in your team drama if that's the reason you repeat it.

Where are the other 2 game logs?

ModFoxfire Ahri2/27/2018, 10:45:54 AM2 votes

Ángel del Gatos: wow kid Ángel del Gatos: obviously you should Ángel del Gatos: cause you died typing Ángel del Gatos: lmfao

Ángel del Gatos: im the only shaco sup i know but ok kid

Ángel del Gatos: report jarvan. he's literally standing in bas right now

Ángel del Gatos: he already admitted to having chat restrictions LMFAO

Ángel del Gatos: yeah your adc can push ez Ángel del Gatos: that's all ur bot lane did right

So the first issue I can see, and something you should understand is that two wrongs don't make a right. If someone is trolling, that doesn't give you the right to harass them in return. It's a case of the much repeated phrase, "Mute, ignore, and report after game." This is your best option.

There's no need to ask for reports, all this does is harass the other player. One report carries the same weight as nine, if one person reports, then the game is checked. More than one doesn't change anything.

Those last two lines are also negative towards the other team's ADC/support, implying that the only thing they were good at was pushing, and nothing else.

Edit: Like zPOOPz said, you should never repeat racist, homophobic, or threatening words, as these will cause restrictions regardless of context. There is no need to repeat what another player said, because like explained above, there's no need to convince anyone to report. Your report at the end of the game is all that's needed.

The Cream Reaper2/27/2018, 10:36:37 AM1 votes

don't you just hate it when they edit the log with play-by-play commentary? if anything it makes the whole thing harder to read...

i can sum up the problem with just one line of text from the log

Ángel del Gatos: im the only shaco sup i know but ok kid < called me a %%%% shaco sup (i have 80% winrate as shaco [support] in ranked atm. bronze btw)

"he called me something so i called him something back"

you have some growing up to do...

Telephone Booth2/27/2018, 10:57:53 PM1 votes

You're so obsessed with other people's plays. Just stop talking and harping on your teammates so much. If they flame you, start talking overly positive to them just to mock them. Your account will be safe, and you'll get under their skin much better than what you're doing now. I mean, this is just typical miserable sounding league player shit. Mute them if you don't want to go the mocking route. It's the best way to keep your account safe.

ggwp nice try3/1/2018, 3:45:40 PM1 votes

Dude you are in bronze you should anticipate you are gonna get a bad team mate sometimes and just deal with it instead of throwing a temper tantrum and getting all worked up. You know the best way to not get banned any more? Stop typing unless necessary to the game.