About chat restriction

iPerryC·Apr 26, 2016·1 votes·3,041 views

It's funny how a person can be chat restricted, just because it was a 4 people queuing, and they happen to know 3 other people on the enemy team. I was reported recently by 4 people queue just because they think me speaking English on NA server is deemed unworthy of their culture. I find it amusing how the tribunal system works like this. I'm not complaining about being chat restricted, because I did say some things deserving and worthy of it. However, I find it amusing how a person can be punished because he is not playing in dyanmic queue. Has riot come to this point where reprimanding others based on culture is a thing?

31 Comments

EvilDustManApr 26, 201612 votes

A 4 man premade has the same weight as a single player when it comes to reports. Your chat restriction should have come with a chat log. Can we see it?

Edit: I missed that. Okay, so, you agree you deserved the chat restriction. You are just upset that a premade seems to be at fault. Well, no, you are the one at fault. They didn't force you to say the stuff that would get you chat restrictions.

Surr20plzApr 26, 20163 votes

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A 4 man premade has the same weight as a single player when it comes to reports.

You actually believe this?

Laffo

EvilDustManApr 26, 201611 votes

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You actually believe this?

Laffo

Why would Riot lie about it? For funsies?

Surr20plzApr 26, 20162 votes

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Why would Riot lie about it? For funsies?

Why not? Are you saying they've never lied? Where's Solo Que? All that BS with Cass.

Also multiple reports being the same as one report simply has to be bullshit since we all have a report weight right? I mean if you're accurately reporting then your reports count for more (unless this is also a lie). So if multiple people reporting it's going to take into account all the different weights. It makes absolute zero sense for the system to ignore multiple reports.

EvilDustManApr 26, 20166 votes

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Why not? Are you saying they've never lied? Where's Solo Que? All that BS with Cass.

Also multiple reports being the same as one report simply has to be bullshit since we all have a report weight right? I mean if you're accurately reporting then your reports count for more (unless this is also a lie). So if multiple people reporting it's going to take into account all the different weights. It makes absolute zero sense for the system to ignore multiple reports.

Things don't come out immediately. And it's specific to premades. 4 man teams have far less weight against the one man on a team, and that one has more weight.

FovereApr 26, 20162 votes

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Things don't come out immediately. And it's specific to premades. 4 man teams have far less weight against the one man on a team, and that one has more weight.

Might want to get your story straight there.

EvilDustManApr 26, 20165 votes

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Might want to get your story straight there.

That's... exactly the same thing g I said the first time?

DefNotABotApr 27, 20162 votes

There's a difference between tentative game changes like the release of soloq and replay systems and mechnics that are already in game. They're not going to lie about things like reports or blatantly put wrong item descriptions or stats out just to troll us. This isn't dark souls bud

entitledplayerApr 27, 20161 votes

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There's a difference between tentative game changes like the release of soloq and replay systems and mechnics that are already in game. They're not going to lie about things like reports or blatantly put wrong item descriptions or stats out just to troll us. This isn't dark souls bud

Skill-based games like the Souls series never trolled players by falsely advertising or informing players -- It's hard for the amount of game knowledge required to be good at the game, and the surmounting count of players who refuse to learn and do research who get their asses handed to them for not having a read on the meta and off-meta strengths of key details, and getting shut down and dominated because they don't respect your early/mid/late-game spikes.

And then, get mad and angry and make empty threats when they get embarrassed.

DefNotABotApr 27, 20161 votes

you sound like a very entitled player [slayer-jinx-catface]

entitledplayerApr 27, 20161 votes

That's not refutation of my point, that's you insulting my intelligence -- And I don't appreciate it.

At no time does Riot misinform or aimlessly direct players -- Key players assume rules that don't exist based on their own pet peeves and hit Report and Mute when they're mildly inconvenienced and ignore both short-form and long-form toxicity because" it's easier" and don't actually read the Summoner's Code, the EULA/ToS and Instant Feedback FAQ to the letter to know the difference or be able to gauge it properly -- Then get surprised when they're punished for making empty threats that stand no ground because there was none to gain.

One of the main case examples of this is new players being told to mute and report anything, and then getting passive-aggressive when someone calls them on their own sin of toxicity then, instead of owning it and doing better -- Or actively ignoring and not staying long enough to report actual entitled players who believe they can flame allies and get away with it because they think they can flame in post-chat after trolling and flaming players in-game, where they believe the chatlog is not recorded when that's 100% false.

This conversation can be a working example of how a basic pre-match lobby conversation goes for me with players who think my Summoner is a descriptor of my mental attitude and common sense when I'm looking to dank top as TP/Ignite Teamfight Fizz when I'm first in the lobby and say " Top, please." and then decide it's time to flame a player being courteous, diplomatic, and using punctuation.

-- And I'd like people to stop thinking the sh#t is clever and be serious for long enough to understand that it's not funny or ever was. I'm just about this close to asking for a courtesy Summoner change because people taking potshots at my expense for the same jokes is tilting.

Sadly not going to happen, because for some reason: everything to a LoL player is a joke in-game/in-boards until they see PERMABANNED across the cilent or a moderator/Rioter/Arbiter savaging them with no mercy.

Edit: At least, that's the perception given to the playerbase as a whole -- I've never seen paragons that stood up as part of the ~~silent~~ majority who say different, and anecdotal experiences aside, it's much more common than one should even have to confirm -- It's more than the reason of why half the players prefer to /mute all.

ColdRebukeApr 26, 20162 votes

premade trolls bud

PeponiPoroApr 26, 20162 votes

Riot has never lied to us. They may have not been able to get something done when they wanted to, but they never guaranteed it would be done on time. With the case of solo queue, they themselves have said they didn't know how to approach the issue, but they never actually flat out lied to us.

themachampApr 27, 20161 votes

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Riot has never lied to us. They may have not been able to get something done when they wanted to, but they never guaranteed it would be done on time. With the case of solo queue, they themselves have said they didn't know how to approach the issue, but they never actually flat out lied to us.

hahahahahaha....thats a good one. Assuming that riot has a lot of smart people working for them...do you really think they didn't know that Solo Q and dynamic Q can't exist together. Dynamic Q relies on solo Q players to function....or else the 4 man...or sometimes even 3 man premades would be s.o.l. They knew this from the start lmfao.

PeponiPoroApr 27, 20161 votes

I don't understand your point, this has nothing to do with what I said.

themachampApr 26, 20162 votes

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Why would Riot lie about it? For funsies?

Well, they have lied about other stuff so.......

Ada WongApr 26, 20161 votes

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You actually believe this?

Laffo

I don't believe the system weighs the same on reports, but I might test this out...

I got banned for Intentional Feeding because of a toxic player stealing my lane ( I am going to start reporting every player in my games regardless of Intentional Feeding when they go 0-5 or 0-9 and so on and see if they get punished every time I see them, and ask some friends to help me do it too... If players get punished simply for going on tilt even though I don't think its intentional it will prove my theory.

I think the report system works based off ( Number OF Reports) so if others on my team were upset because of my feeding in the last game that got me banned simply because Of how awful I did with a toxic player stealing my role if 2 or 3 out of 5 report me for feeding or doing bad, and they solict reports for the enemy team it weighs more because no one on the enemy team had any idea what happened I didn't talk in all chat, and at the end they harassment and ask for reports but failed to tell anyone that they intentionally stole my role.

After just a single game that riot clearly stated 3 times I was banned for 2 weeks for after just one game with many reports (Riot said Intentionally Feeding just a single game is punish worthy which is true but failed to look at the fact there wasn't much that could be done when reviewing it and pulled up another game two days ago were I did awful getting owned by a nidalee counter hard but the automated system still banned for one specific game with specific number of reports...l

Same goes for chat toxicity it matches words that are used in the game and based off number of reports it bans especially if the enemy reports as well.

I don't believe what Riot says at all about reports weighing more or less.

Perhaps Riot did add report weight to players who are in DUO to prevent trolling or pre-made teams but if individual players each report in a single game I think it weighs more.

dapositivevikingApr 26, 20162 votes

stop invading other threads with your story, your actions in your game were not the proper response to other inappropriate behavior in the game.

RiotRiot TantramApr 26, 20167 votes

Confirmed. Having reports in a game flags a game for review. There is no need for more than a single report. The system also filters out 'troll' or inaccurate reports.

HowPlayGAEMApr 26, 20161 votes

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CosnirakApr 26, 20161 votes

Games are reviewed by a program and if appropriate by a person, depending possibly on the report itself or what the program finds (they don't tell us the details on purpose because it makes it harder to cheat the system when we don't know).

The system doesn't punish people for reports that are found false, that's what filtering out inaccurate reports means.

The text box is there because games are often reviewed by people, which I suspect is more likely if you in fact use the text box.

AuroramancerApr 26, 20161 votes

Not sure if you can disclose this information (and if you can't, just say it so that we won't bug you about it)...

But what constitutes "troll" or inaccurate reports? Very curious to know so that us players, who take the time to write up reports, are actually being heard and not having our reports discarded because of a system's filtering process.

Surr20plzApr 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=H67KxUT6,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-04-26T19:43:14.404+0000)

Confirmed. Having reports in a game flags a game for review. There is no need for more than a single report. The system also filters out 'troll' or inaccurate reports.

Hey Tantram,

Ok so it only takes a single report to get the system going. There may be no need for more than one reports, but what happens when there are more? Are multiple reports the exact same as a single report or do they effect the system differently? We've been led to believe we have a report weight based on the amount of accurate reports. Is this true?

Nameless VoiceApr 26, 20164 votes

I wish we could get people to learn this so that they'd stop asking for reports in nearly every game Most of the time they are false reports, but even when they're not, there's absolutely no purpose to asking for them when you intend to report the person yourself.

Ada WongApr 27, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=H67KxUT6,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-04-26T19:43:14.404+0000)

Confirmed. Having reports in a game flags a game for review. There is no need for more than a single report. The system also filters out 'troll' or inaccurate reports.

I think one report is good enough to trigger a possibly review by an automated system, but could you confirm where or not its true that having (More Reports) does increase the chances of a punishment in regards to other behavior such as feeding, or Trolling / unsportsmanlike conduct.

Having a system that detects a person for saying the racist N word, or cursing other players is easy if just a single person reports them over a few games to detect and punish, while having 2 or more of your own team Plus enemy team reporting a player for possibly trolling or for going on tilt /feeding for insert reason here seems like it would have more of an effect on a person, take for example to filter out (False Reports) of trolling the system would punish or take into account games where 2 or more of the people on the team reported plus have more of a effect when enemy's from the enemy team report them as well...

I am really curious to the facts Riot after having my last game getting me suspended for 2 weeks for Intentional Feed because of having my role stolen and unable to play as good as I could have, then being threaten reports at the end game screen and how a couple of players said they were reporting me on enemy team Plus I know the troll and at least another on my own team did keep in mind I said nothing but two sentences all game, and muted everyone in game because I knew it was going to be toxic.

Can we get confirmation on report weight in the two categories of (unsportsmanlike) and (Intentional Feeding)?

CooL Ice TeaApr 26, 20167 votes

because I did say some things deserving and worthy of it

if you didnt say that, the reports would have been worthless. On the otherside you could report all of them if they tell you that they will report you after the game or harras you in any way.

Its the number of games you get reported not the number of reports which trigger a punishment

ModWulf HelhammerApr 26, 20165 votes

It's funny how completely wrong you are.

AstôlfoApr 26, 20162 votes

And look, it's another troll who knows nothing about the punishment system.

Surr20plzApr 26, 20161 votes

Your weight isn't designated by how many people you're with though.

I've seen people saying "Don't tell other people to report cause one report is all it blaahhh bloohh blaaah"

No there are individual report weights. I don't believe that they have a system in place just to curb reports within a team based on whether there are more of you or not. Are you saying that those 4 reports don't mean anything only when used against the 5th man? What about the 4 reports not being as effective against a member of the other team?

Besides that's fucking stupid anyway. What if some asshole is being a nazi in /all and saying "kill all the j00s!" or some shit. Are you saying that because I'm playing with 3 other people my report won't work against that asshole? What if that asshole is on my team?

If what you're saying is true it's fucking amateur hour in santa monica.

Void NargacugaApr 26, 20162 votes

If that happens, you only need one person to report them. Any excess reports are redundent and uneccesary. That is how the system works. And that is how it filters out group reports as well.