I got matched with 4 people that i had blocked...

Sarkhis·Dec 31, 2017·58 votes·3,984 views

I played normal blinds with a 4 premade that hit on me ( i was playing supp) when match started to go badly. I just muted them and played my game. I blocked them after match. The problem comes when i queue again and i get matched with the same 4 premade, i had them all blocked so i couldn't see what roles were they calling. I couldn't dodge at risk of getting leaverbuster so i picked a champ based on what champions / summoner spells they picked... Then i got into the game and guess what? I picked GP thinking i was top but they made me go support and threatened to report me (AGAIN).

Why do you get matched with people that you block? Can Riot do something about this?

59 Comments

ModThe DjinnDec 31, 201732 votes

That's really unfortunate luck. :(

Blocking, however, doesn't work as well as you'd think. It's great at MMRs with thousands and thousands of players, but it leads to terrible situations in higher MMRs. OverWatch used it for a while, and the world's best Widowmaker found himself waiting for sometimes upwards of an hour for a game simply because so many other great players had blocked him because they didn't want to play against him.

Effectively, in smaller MMR communities (such a Diamond+), you can actually start to recognize names, and having the ability to block people would effectively let you pick your own team. That's TERRIBLE for a competitive ranking system.

SarkhisDec 31, 20175 votes

It makes a lot of sense, thanks for the response. I guess my case is something that happens once every few weeks or months, so just gotta deal with it.

FegoneJan 2, 20181 votes

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It makes a lot of sense, thanks for the response. I guess my case is something that happens once every few weeks or months, so just gotta deal with it.

What you can do to avoid that is to wait a couple minutes after a game. Chances are, whoever you played with, is queuing up again right after the game. If you wait a little bit, you're more likely to get matched with other people.

KarunamonDec 31, 201713 votes

Wouldn't it make more sense to change the way the system works at higher ranks when that's actually a concern, rather than forcing the majority of the playerbase who's not anywhere near that rank to wind up playing against someone they blocked?

ModThe DjinnDec 31, 201715 votes

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Wouldn't it make more sense to change the way the system works at higher ranks when that's actually a concern, rather than forcing the majority of the playerbase who's not anywhere near that rank to wind up playing against someone they blocked?

Not really. What happens when such a player improves? Suddenly the block list they loved and relied on just starts randomly failing them? What about players in the accepted MMR range who decide to play lower-player-number game modes like an unpopular rotating game more or Twisted Treeline? Is their block list suddenly invalid? What about the guy who just blocks everyone? Does he suddenly not get games?

It's frankly an issue at all MMRs, just MOST obvious at higher MMRs.

DaBaiXiongJan 1, 201810 votes

Players don't improve. Despite what Riot says. They either change accounts or get lost in the numbers game at low levels.

I've been playing since the beginning. Trolls have never slowed down. At all.

AlienPrimateJan 1, 20182 votes

I like to think I have improved. I started out as bronze 3 in season 3 and have steadily climbed since then to high gold right now and still climbing with 60% ranked win rate. I currently have the highest win rate I have ever had in ranked as well as the highest rank.

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20183 votes

i agree totally and i'm sick of the same bullshit line from riot that has no factual base.

ROX PrimeJan 2, 20182 votes

Yo can i get you to check out my post on toxicity? id like to know your thoughts since we seem to share sentiments.

ROX PrimeJan 2, 20181 votes

Isnt it sad how inconsistent riot is. low elo players suffer because (what was started earlier) but high elo players suffer cause riot thinks they should balance around players that dont read or understand (the ramifications of) patch notes.

DehitayJan 1, 20183 votes

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That's really unfortunate luck. :(

Blocking, however, doesn't work as well as you'd think. It's great at MMRs with thousands and thousands of players, but it leads to terrible situations in higher MMRs. OverWatch used it for a while, and the world's best Widowmaker found himself waiting for sometimes upwards of an hour for a game simply because so many other great players had blocked him because they didn't want to play against him.

Effectively, in smaller MMR communities (such a Diamond+), you can actually start to recognize names, and having the ability to block people would effectively let you pick your own team. That's TERRIBLE for a competitive ranking system.

I'm relatively confident that would be easily solved by mixing the blocking system and the punishment system together to where if a report registered abuse, but not enough to enforce punishment, it could at least force them to be barred from playing with any player that's blocked them after they reported them for registered abuse. Then that Widowmaker would have to actually be toxic to every player that's blocked him in order to get ridiculously high waiting times. In which case, they would deserve it.

TheGoomyGamerJan 1, 20182 votes

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I'm relatively confident that would be easily solved by mixing the blocking system and the punishment system together to where if a report registered abuse, but not enough to enforce punishment, it could at least force them to be barred from playing with any player that's blocked them after they reported them for registered abuse. Then that Widowmaker would have to actually be toxic to every player that's blocked him in order to get ridiculously high waiting times. In which case, they would deserve it.

This is a great idea.

DarkKatalystJan 1, 201811 votes

How about just a temporary block? So for example, you are guaranteed to not be rematched over a number of games or period of time. These numbers can be adjusted per MMR community. Also, if a person is getting blocked a lot, they are either ban-worthy, or they need to be bumped up in MMR.

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20182 votes

this is smart because after an hour you will never see them again it's just at the time, it's rediculous to be on the same team with a moron who just cost you your previous game.

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20182 votes

who fucking cares about high elo? i ask you honestly do you think any of the milolions of low elo players give a shit if a couple hundred high elo players have an issue?

TheorexJan 2, 20181 votes

I love recognizing names.

Like when I see SevenT on the team or enemy team. I know to either dodge or to not worry about the game.

Or If I see FourLeaves on my team, top has already won.

It makes knowing who tilts easily a fun target to repeatedly gank. You don't even have to play the game anymore. All you gotta do is just sit in their lane and make them hate the game.

Best strat to winning. Pick on the person with a weak mentality :) Diamond things.

Best part is, you don't even have to say anything to tilt them and do it on purpose to make them hate the game. Its sooo much fun watching them rage in post game lobby because you are playing the game correctly by ganking and sitting in their lanes :D

Is that toxic? That I make sure that I make the enemy team toxic player AFK?

ROX PrimeJan 2, 20181 votes

Yes it is and the sad thing is i can mite you for being toxic i cant stop you from camping my lane till im actually a cannon minion.

TheorexJan 2, 20181 votes

Exactly, if I get punished for taking advantage of knowing a player tilts. Then WOW riot. I might as well be forced to stay in my lane.

Its a game tactic for me. Remember the people who tilt. And If I see them on the enemy team. Camp them. Make them rage quit or tilt them out to where they can't even play the game properly anymore lol. Its so fun watching someone thats really good on a champion make bad decisions or play worse because you camped them. I actually sometimes don't try to end as fast as possible and farm just to kill them more.

I never say anything to them. Because I'm not toxic in chat. I don't harass them outside the parameters of the games allowance.

Watch riot see this comment, and remove the ability to see the enemy teams summoner names. xD

fƒ15Jan 3, 20181 votes

Then maybe blocking only works in games for norms? Not really any ranking competition going on in norm games, the chance is very very small of Sarkhis's situation of actually happening but it would make norm games more fun for these kinds of situations!

Eternal TormentJan 1, 201811 votes

They want to prevent strategic blocking of people. If blocked people would not be matched with you then you could block all the bad players you come across and indirectly sabotage the entire matchmaking to get winner-teams and climb.

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20182 votes

what's wrong with that?

Eternal TormentJan 1, 20185 votes

It would cheat the matchmaking system. And known high elo players would never find a game cuz everyone has them blocked out of fear of fighting them

NetkousJan 1, 20186 votes

Just mute them. Rito has a great report system... If you don't talk nothing happens. Just let them enjoy their false hope <3.

TroubleStarterJan 31, 20181 votes

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Just mute them. Rito has a great report system... If you don't talk nothing happens. Just let them enjoy their false hope <3.

Rito has a great report system(hahahahahaha )(you made my day))

INightHunterJan 1, 20184 votes

Blocking people mean that they can't talk to you or add you in their friend list . Blocking people don't stop them from playing with you .

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20182 votes

that is dumb

Pierce The VealDec 31, 20173 votes

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I played normal blinds with a 4 premade that hit on me ( i was playing supp) when match started to go badly. I just muted them and played my game. I blocked them after match. The problem comes when i queue again and i get matched with the same 4 premade, i had them all blocked so i couldn't see what roles were they calling. I couldn't dodge at risk of getting leaverbuster so i picked a champ based on what champions / summoner spells they picked... Then i got into the game and guess what? I picked GP thinking i was top but they made me go support and threatened to report me (AGAIN).

Why do you get matched with people that you block? Can Riot do something about this?

Same thing with people you report.

I got matched with a heimerdinger one game that trash talked everyone on both teams, but focused his efforts on me when I told him to calm down. Second game I play, would you look at that he's on my team and starts trash talking me from champ select.

I didn't report this piece of shit because I wanted to play with him again.

PurejoyceJan 1, 20181 votes

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Same thing with people you report.

I got matched with a heimerdinger one game that trash talked everyone on both teams, but focused his efforts on me when I told him to calm down. Second game I play, would you look at that he's on my team and starts trash talking me from champ select.

I didn't report this piece of shit because I wanted to play with him again.

Ah yes, so lets just allow people to easly manipulate machmaking instead, because that would make sense. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

ThrillØfTheHuntJan 1, 20183 votes

The maychmaking systems a pile of shit anyway so it wouldnt make much difference

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20181 votes

lol this guy knows

Pierce The VealJan 1, 20181 votes

Pretty sure the system can detect that while I'm playing something that isn't ranked I actually went to the effort of writing a paragraph because of how toxic this person was.

PurejoyceJan 1, 20181 votes

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Pretty sure the system can detect that while I'm playing something that isn't ranked I actually went to the effort of writing a paragraph because of how toxic this person was.

In a game like this you can easly nitpick and write a paragraph about almost anyone. And the report system is supposed to pull the toxic people out of the game instead of letting you pick and choose your own teammates "because you reported or blocked someone", wtf.

T4underboltJan 1, 20182 votes

Matchmaking is already manipulated by elo boosting, duoqboosting, smurfs and people abusing broken picks to climb to be useless after they reach certain rank and have to play with something normal

AurlecJan 1, 20183 votes

They don't care about who you block, in fact you can't even block all the toxic players because you're limited to 1k blocked people.

AJStarhikerJan 1, 20182 votes

I'd suggest waiting after those kinds of games before jumping into the next one. It'll give you a chance to clear your head from the bad game and you'll be less likely to go back into the same queue as those players.

XonraJan 1, 20182 votes

I've never had 4 but I've had 2 before. One remembered me and instantly flamed and the other I apparently still had muted, which I didn't know was a thing until that specific game.

Stand Alone WolfJan 1, 20182 votes

I had this happen to me about 5 years ago.

lol, I know it's not 2018 yet, but it adds dramatic effect

I was playing as Jax, Someone I started the game with Next match I got into I picked Nasus, only to discover it was the same people who made my previous match a living hell. Slightly biased towards pre-mades even now for fear I get an unfortunate 4-man premade concoction of hell.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 1, 20182 votes

Wow, what are the odds?

BlåbæretJan 1, 20181 votes

ˉˉˉˉˉˉJan 1, 20181 votes

If it's Normals just dodge. There are NO penalties in dodging.

All that happens is a 5 minute time out for the first dodge that ticks down even if offline. Any dodges after that within 8 or 24 hours increase that timer to 10 and 15.

But it resets daily. Like I said, Leaverbuster is when you AFK in-game. Since it was Normals, you don't even get an LP penalty, just a 5 minute wait.

So yeah, definitely dodge in Normals if the lobby seems even the slightest bit toxic or troll-y.

Ellis DeeJan 1, 20182 votes

this is not a viable solution

ˉˉˉˉˉˉJan 1, 20181 votes

What? It is a very viable solution. Because there are no penalties, dodging in Normals is a REALLY good option.

If I play Blind and see someone or more trolling, I just quit. I'm not gonna put up with that and waste my time playing a lost and stressful game simply because my OWN teammates want to be a hindrance when I can just dodge WITHOUT any punishment. This is Blind Pick we're talking about. Also known as Cancer Pick.

A 5 minute wait is totally worth it, but most of the time I just quit the client and boot up Rainbow Six Siege.

But tell me why it isn't a viable solution please.

BubblyRainbowsJan 1, 20181 votes

It's not entirely UN-viable, but for some people, who have limited time each day to play, a 5-minute dodge timer isn't a small penalty. Especially when you ROUTINELY have trolls in your lobby 2, 3, sometimes 4 times in a row. Game after game, complaints about being autofilled to support or jungle, people taking Katarina in support position or autofilled junglers just going up to duo in top, people banning your declared champs, and so forth. All of the trolls were a big part of the reason I stopped even TRYING to play games on the rift. I haven't played a game on the rift in months (except bot games to get my first win). Game after game, troll, troll, troll. If I'd dodged them all, between the time wasted in lobbies and the mounting timers for dodging, I would literally play zero games.

The biggest problem, imo, is autofill. There seems to be far too many people who get autofilled to support, try to trade (no one wants it, of course), and then they lock in a troll pick and spend the game either purposely or unintentionally sabotaging their ADC. Very few people want to play support. And this is coming from someone who mained support for multiple seasons. It's the most thankless and most often-flamed position in the game, and everyone on my friends list who used to main it has long-since quit playing support because they got tired of all the abuse.

ˉˉˉˉˉˉJan 1, 20181 votes

1.) Why do you talk about autofill when we're talking about Blind Pick specifically? Draft is different. Draft is understandable that dodging is way too time consuming. But we're talking about Blind, not Draft.

2.) I stopped playing this game also. I used to play 7-10 games a day, now I play 1 or 2 a week. And only Normals on my smurf every now and then, only. This game is too toxic and evolved for the worse to be worth continuing to play.

My actual advice would have been to just quit this damn game, but OP probably wouldn't like that. Plus, they said they were afraid of Leaverbuster, and I assured them that it isn't, only a 5 minute wait that ticks even when offline, not when in queue like Leaverbuster. Plus, it resets daily, so no permanent smudge on account record like Leaverbuster.

BubblyRainbowsJan 2, 20181 votes

Because you said "dodging in NORMALS" Normals cover basically anything that isn't ranked. And it's where my personal experience was relevant. I don't play Blind. Ever. I have enough champs not to be sucked into that horrible game mode. But there was no need to be nitpicky about it. Most of my comments also apply to blind. Just substitute "autofill" for "Instalocks" and "arguments over who called what first". The resulting mess of toxicity in pregame still happens. Someone inevitably gets stuck in a position they didn't want, and everything I said still becomes an issue. And I did say your solution wasn't unviable. It's just not viable for everyone. Some people don't have the time to wait out one (or probably multiple) timers for queue dodging. I mean... I'm assuming if they're worried about leaverbuster, it's because they'd like to play another game, so logging off to wait out a queue penalty isn't exactly the solution they wanted.

MetaVolcaJan 1, 20181 votes

How do you know when someone’s in a premade unless they’re all in the same club name? Is their even a way to tell?

Baka RedJan 3, 20181 votes

One question: Since you had them blocked, how did they threaten to report you (again)? Blocked people are also muted as far as I know - well, I might be wrong about that. I don't block people too often (I think I might have 3 people on my block list atm after years of playing.)

Anyways, others have already told you that blocking does not prevent them from being in the same match (or even same team) as you in future, so I don't have to do that, right? :) Well, maybe I can clarify the Why part.

If person A could prevent player B from being in the same match as him by blocking him, everyone and their uncles would block every pro, challenger and master they know of, so they would not have to face them in the fields of justice. That would prevent those people from playing pretty much.