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Kid Gir··1 votes·1,142 views

So im confused as to what you have to say to get a chat ban cus apparently other people can say negative stuff to me but when i defend myself they report me and i get a ban instead? For example i got 25 game chat ban for these logs that show i said nothing wrong Game 1 Kid Gir: hec gank plz Kid Gir: actually ff Kid Gir: panth so fed Kid Gir: still waiting for a gank :/ Kid Gir: reported Kid Gir: took you 13 minutes to gank Kid Gir: and you chased her btw Kid Gir: not my fauklt Kid Gir: also when you ganked you did nothing but walk into lane Kid Gir: renek did more Kid Gir: reported Kid Gir: report hec very toxic Kid Gir: premade 4 man vs me so ofc they gonna defend eachother Kid Gir: i dont get how im complaining, i asked for a gank and he ganked 5 mins later and rages at me ez Kid Gir: so plz elaborate Kid Gir: im just defending myself Kid Gir: cool story bro Kid Gir: zero ganks in laning phase from you vs zacs 2 and panth roam Kid Gir: not much 1 person can do alone Kid Gir: yet i didnt complain i just asked for a gank Kid Gir: so kindly just shut up Kid Gir: ty annie Kid Gir: he is very toxic and raging at me cus i didnt chase you when he failed his 1 gank Kid Gir: im just lauhging at him lol Kid Gir: i will and send you the 1 gank you did Kid Gir: LOL Kid Gir: chat logs wont lie Kid Gir: you called me scrub Kid Gir: kk enjoy your ban Kid Gir: hasnt said a word to renek either Kid Gir: yawn, at the end of the day idc how childish hec is Kid Gir: im not even saying anything to him and he still going at it Kid Gir: hec man you need to grow up Kid Gir: renek whats your problem Kid Gir: i did nothing to you Kid Gir: im behind on my own accord now lol im laughing at you and renek Kid Gir: this is too funny to play the game

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Deep Terror Nami6 votes

Kid Gir: actually ff

This is typically seen as you are giving up, which, other than directly assisting the enemy team, is about the worst thing you can do. It is considered very negative to express an intent to stop playing; if you want to forfeit, just start the vote, don't badger your team to do the same.

Kid Gir: reported

Several times you were threatening your teammate(s) with reports. The report system is not there for you to coerce the other players and is considered harassment. Just like forfeiting or muting a player, just do it, don't aggravate the other players by poking them with the threat.

Other than that, you were just arguing with other players. If they are a problem in chat please just mute them so that everyone can get back to what's important; focusing on the match at hand. If they were being toxic just let the reports against them do their job.

Kid Gir1 votes

i just find it funny how if you dont say anything you still get flamed and reported yet that guy can say whatever he wants for example that same hec ingame called me a scrub and told me to eat a d*ck but i assume since i said "reported" to him i get the ban instead, it just seems riot chat bans for the wrong reasons

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

you still get flamed

Mute them and report them, that is the only appropriate response; you are defending yourself by preventing further confrontation in chat, and you are helping stop that behavior in the future by reporting it. If you just get into it with them instead you only become problem #2 and tend to make it worse.

and reported

Their reports will have no weight if you've done nothing wrong. They become valid only when you make it so with your own negative behavior. They aren't responsible for your response, only their own behavior, and vice versa.

i get the ban instead, it just seems riot chat bans for the wrong reasons

Well, I've gone over why this particular log was legitimately flagged as negative, punishable behavior. As for "instead", no, they are going to be treated the same way you were; if they have a history of negative behavior they will eventually be punished for it, according to the frequency and severity and past punishments.

That this is a 25 game chat restriction means this isn't the first time this has happened. If you continue this kind of behavior, further valid reports may result in an escalated punishment. Punishments go in order of the following tiers, and good behavior over a long period may reduce them;

  • 10 game chat restriction
  • 25 game chat restriction
  • 14 day account ban
  • Permanent account ban
Kid Gir1 votes

so you imply that whenever somebody says "ff" or "reported" i can now report them and mute them and they get a ban, it just seems unfair how that works, a negative comment to my knowledge is something hurtful or derogatory but apparently anything that makes moral negative is a bannable offense it makes it seem like riots ban criteria was made by a child

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

Maybe just focus on recognizing your own negative behavior and improving it instead of looking for ways to be upset and get everyone else punished?

Kid Gir1 votes

you say that like you personally played with me and i flame ingame often which is highly untrue, im a very quite player and barely ever talk ingame but it seems if i stick up for myself like i was raised its such a problem that i get a ban instead of the person who flames me, i just think that the criteria for a ban is too unrealistic cus the amount of times i see "FF" or "reported" is way higher then the negative comments so by your understanding those people should get bans?

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

Everybody is a little negative sometimes. You just happen to be doing this much more frequently than most, which is why you've received this warning. If you "barely ever talk", maybe when you do talk it's always creating a negative environment for the other players?

Again, focus less on what the other people are doing and just try to understand why you've been punished. Just because you got punished this time doesn't mean someone else "got away with" their own behavior; punishment is based on the frequency and severity of the behavior, and prior punishments. If they don't get punished, most likely it's because they are not frequently like that.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Saying "ff" and "reported" once won't get you banned. Bans don't happen for single instances of giving up, or mild harassment. Chat restrictions and suspensions happen for repeated instances of negative behavior. While you may have only been shown this one game as your Reform Card, that doesn't mean that it was the only game you were reported for. It's possible that you were reported for quite a few other games to push you to the punishment threshold which led to the 25 game chat restriction. As far as reporting other players and them getting a ban, it's the same thing. If they haven't been consistently negative, then no, they won't be punished based on your one report. It may take more games and more reports for them to reach the level that the system decides is worthy of punishment.

As far as saying "reported," there is honestly no reason to ever say it in game. It's a threat, the same as school children telling other school children "if you don't leave me alone, I'm going to tell the teacher on you," or coworkers telling peers "if you don't leave me alone, I'm telling your boss," or an inmate at a jail telling another inmate "back off or I'm going to the warden." If you consider each of those cases, you'll get an idea of what the "benefit" of using that threat on your teammate will be. In a school yard, you will end up the object of even more bullying by the people who are on your case; so your teammates will just harass you more for saying it. In the office, no one will ever want to work with you again; so your teammates are certainly not going to want to work together with you to win the match. And in a prison, you'll just get shanked; your teammates will watch you die and possibly even laugh as you do. (In these examples, I'm specifically referring to teammates who are being threatened with the reporting, not the neutral ones who aren't on a side, btw.)

The way the system works, it only takes one report to flag a game for review. Yours. So /mute them. And report them after the game. When you start hurling threats, and arguing, and laughing at them, insulting them, etc... you are no longer defending yourself. You are flaming back. And you are opening yourself up for punishment under the same system that would punish them.

Threats: Kid Gir: reported Kid Gir: reported Kid Gir: report hec very toxic Kid Gir: chat logs wont lie Kid Gir: you called me scrub Kid Gir: kk enjoy your ban

When you threaten to report someone this many times, and go out of your way to talk about the logs, and telling him to enjoy his ban, that's not defending any more. That's a threat. And yes, it's done in retaliation to them acting first, but it means you're not a victim anymore. You're a participant. And participants can be punished.

Complaining: Kid Gir: still waiting for a gank :/ Kid Gir: took you 13 minutes to gank Kid Gir: also when you ganked you did nothing but walk into lane Kid Gir: zero ganks in laning phase from you vs zacs 2 and panth roam

This is another set of things that are actively complaining and arguing with your team. While it may be completely true that he didn't gank before 13 minutes, pointing it out repeatedly and complaining about a failed gank are not going to help your team win the game. Some junglers do not gank early. As a player, you have to be ready to adjust how you play the lane around that.

Kid Gir: im just lauhging at him lol Kid Gir: yawn, at the end of the day idc how childish hec is Kid Gir: im behind on my own accord now lol im laughing at you and renek Kid Gir: this is too funny to play the game

Laughing at your team, insulting them, and admitting openly that you are not bothering to try and play or win the game can very easily get you reported. Especially saying things like being behind because you're too busy laughing at your team to play.

Kid Gir1 votes

so what your saying is i should just let people say what they want and be ok with that? if i just play out the game and let someone actively abuse me then who is to say i wont be tilted beyond belief for the next game i play and ofcourse your answer will be "you can simply mute them" however i dont mute people as they tend to often have the one occasional good idea that can win a game, but my mother never raised me to let somebody run over me, therefore if i cant simply stand up for myself then why even play a game where i am subjected to constant toxicity, its for the same reason i quit COD, its getting too populated with people who abuse others into a argument and get out of the situation free of consequenses cus the other person (in this case me) lost their cool and decided to say something

Twiggles2 votes

so what your saying is i should just let people say what they want and be ok with that?

Yes.

if i just play out the game and let someone actively abuse me then who is to say i wont be tilted beyond belief for the next game i play

Either mute them or laugh it off to yourself because the comments of random people on the internet mean literally nothing.

but my mother never raised me to let somebody run over me

That's good, but irrelevant. Toxicity is not a solution to other toxicity.

people who abuse others into a argument and get out of the situation free of consequenses cus the other person (in this case me) lost their cool and decided to say something

They didn't get off scott free though. If you reported them, then they are being processed by the exact same system as you. Even if they weren't punished for these specific offenses, your report will count towards their potential future punishments should they continue.

Kid Gir1 votes

By far the most intellectual reply i gotten so far, i can actually say i respect how you said what you have, the others who commented just make it seem like im wrong no matter what, aside from me knowing what i did wrong my original concern was how the report system is too automated and does not accurately reflect how matters should be handled

Magical Player1 votes

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By far the most intellectual reply i gotten so far, i can actually say i respect how you said what you have, the others who commented just make it seem like im wrong no matter what, aside from me knowing what i did wrong my original concern was how the report system is too automated and does not accurately reflect how matters should be handled

I'll be the bad guy, the automated system only approves of cases to have human review for.(to my understanding, or maybe just permabans) What you did was in your words self defense, but in reality it's escalation. You can control what you say, what you say is a direct representation of yourself. As such, by you having a history of "toxicity" the system caught you for a minor bit but it was really because of your history that you were punished.

DTN- addressed you're entire log and broke it down for you

Might I add, that continuing to escalate a situation to the point someone feels the need to report you. Will eventually result in a permaban.

Kid Gir1 votes

if such is the case then why are there so many players who continue to be toxic and see no immediate action taken against them? what is the required amount of reports a person needs to warrant a ban? If 1 small little outbreak like this is enough to warrant a chat ban then why not chat ban all the people who say much worse? Not once was i disrespectful towards an individual on a personal level like how the hec told me to eat a d*ck and called me scrub. If your out to make me the bad guy then verify that im like in many of my game, i only recieved my chat ban this week as well as the prior one after i would say about 2 years of playing and believe me ive had days where i said worse due to anger or rage. My concern again is that the system at the moment seems to be based on a very unprofessional principle of action. It can inflict a chat ban for something that may not warrant a valid ban but because the game is so big the system is less and less effective unless Riot itself changes the criteria for bans and that is my problem with the system. I can sit here and claim all my mistakes but would that change the way you view me? probably not because you dont know me personaly so you go off what the system dictates regardless of what you see

Magical Player2 votes

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if such is the case then why are there so many players who continue to be toxic and see no immediate action taken against them? what is the required amount of reports a person needs to warrant a ban? If 1 small little outbreak like this is enough to warrant a chat ban then why not chat ban all the people who say much worse? Not once was i disrespectful towards an individual on a personal level like how the hec told me to eat a d*ck and called me scrub. If your out to make me the bad guy then verify that im like in many of my game, i only recieved my chat ban this week as well as the prior one after i would say about 2 years of playing and believe me ive had days where i said worse due to anger or rage. My concern again is that the system at the moment seems to be based on a very unprofessional principle of action. It can inflict a chat ban for something that may not warrant a valid ban but because the game is so big the system is less and less effective unless Riot itself changes the criteria for bans and that is my problem with the system. I can sit here and claim all my mistakes but would that change the way you view me? probably not because you dont know me personaly so you go off what the system dictates regardless of what you see

Riot builds a history against a player, therefore no instant action occurs. Extremely fair to all. No required amount of reports, it could as low as 1 and as high as 10000, each report is weighed differently. Its not 1 small outbreak, you need to understand you have a history of this. Riot gives you a recent game in which it occurred You we're previously punished for 10 games chat restriction, and since continued you attitude into future games your punishment increased. As I see it, you're responsible for what you said. Nobody is good or bad in league, you are not the HERO or some great justice in the game.You are a player, there is no huge story built up around you. You are an individual part of a group of other players. You can not be good or bad, as no one is good or bad in this system. You can only be You.

You believe that by continuing aggression towards someone you are somehow absolved of what you said, because he started it.... Bar fight, 2 drunks get into a fight. Everybody knows who threw the 1st punch, but then why are both parties subject to punishment. Why, because damages caused to the bar, other people that may have been affected by the fight. You would assume the person who throws the 1st punch is solely responsible, however by reacting and escalating the incident only results in more suffering.

This is what happens when you decide to go eye for an eye in league. You solved nothing by trying to be the HERO the GOOD GUY. All you accomplished was annoying the other people in the game.

I've played since season 1, I've never been punished(i think) TBF you're right I don't know you, nor do I need to know you... But be my guest, give us your 10 page bio about yourself so we can better know you. If you claimed you're faults, we'd not be having this discussion. As you'd not of made a post about being confused as to why you were punished.

Kid Gir1 votes

it seems you read the reply but dont take into account what i truly mean, i never once claimed to be a HERO i just said that how if somebody is flaming me im supposed to just let them? and yes ive let it slide before but the frequency that which is happens daily is more and more, that being said if i happen to lose my cool every once or twice its enough to warrant a chat ban just cus i chose to defend myself or argue, furthermore i never said anything like oh it was his fault alone, i admit i was wrong to argue and i see that now but back to my ORIGINAL (have to put it in caps cus it seems none of you pay attention to my original concern, you all just pit it back on me like i started this thread to free myself from punishment) i just think the report system needs a revamp as to what can be classified as a VALID bannable offense, ive played many other games with report features as well and none of those were anywhere near Riots

Magical Player1 votes

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it seems you read the reply but dont take into account what i truly mean, i never once claimed to be a HERO i just said that how if somebody is flaming me im supposed to just let them? and yes ive let it slide before but the frequency that which is happens daily is more and more, that being said if i happen to lose my cool every once or twice its enough to warrant a chat ban just cus i chose to defend myself or argue, furthermore i never said anything like oh it was his fault alone, i admit i was wrong to argue and i see that now but back to my ORIGINAL (have to put it in caps cus it seems none of you pay attention to my original concern, you all just pit it back on me like i started this thread to free myself from punishment) i just think the report system needs a revamp as to what can be classified as a VALID bannable offense, ive played many other games with report features as well and none of those were anywhere near Riots

"cus apparently other people can say negative stuff to me but when i defend myself they report me and i get a ban instead? For example i got 25 game chat ban for these logs that show i said nothing wrong" Your chat logs do show something wrong..... The punishment system does need revamping, but not looser. Most of the time it needs to be stricter to weed people out faster. I can think of no game that allows for verbal abuse and harassment not to be a punishable offence, but please show me some.

In addition: Your original concern was to understand the reason for the chat ban, so far everything has been centered around that, even my prior post, is both answering your question and how your current punishment resulted

Kid Gir1 votes

Okay so from this point on i let people say what they want no matter what? thats like someone insulting your family over and over again and you saying i should be okay with something like that. Eventually you would lose your cool since every human has a threshold of what they can handle and at what point does that warrant them a ban if the other person incited them into said argument? And as far as your concern of the system being slow then no its not slow at all because since my first 10- game chat ban i only spoke in this game and it gave me my 25 game ban as soon as i logged back on which was a span of i would say 6 hours, You see nothing wrong with the system because again you assume it does its job some point down the line but if that where to be true then why do so many toxic people continue their behavior long before the system does anything yet the moment a person with little or no prior history says something in the littlest way negative to the team it slaps them with a ban? This is no longer about me anymore as i stated a few times throughtout the thread that i get why i was punished now but again i bring it back to the flawed system we have now, the tribunal was by far much better then what we have now

Magical Player1 votes

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Okay so from this point on i let people say what they want no matter what? thats like someone insulting your family over and over again and you saying i should be okay with something like that. Eventually you would lose your cool since every human has a threshold of what they can handle and at what point does that warrant them a ban if the other person incited them into said argument? And as far as your concern of the system being slow then no its not slow at all because since my first 10- game chat ban i only spoke in this game and it gave me my 25 game ban as soon as i logged back on which was a span of i would say 6 hours, You see nothing wrong with the system because again you assume it does its job some point down the line but if that where to be true then why do so many toxic people continue their behavior long before the system does anything yet the moment a person with little or no prior history says something in the littlest way negative to the team it slaps them with a ban? This is no longer about me anymore as i stated a few times throughtout the thread that i get why i was punished now but again i bring it back to the flawed system we have now, the tribunal was by far much better then what we have now

A random person on the internet has how much impact on your life? The answer should be little to none.

Toxic behavior isn't limited to chat logs only, there are several ways to still be toxic to a team without saying anything.

Tribunal was worse, more punishments were given out than needed, the community was often seen wanting punishment for minor offences and ignoring major offences.(to my knowledge)

I can't confirm weather you made any statements in other games, Only with what you submitted can i make any conjecture about. The system has its flaws, that is not a question for debate. It does however do it's intended purpose You were punished, you accept the reasoning. System worked

A history has to be built around each user, to make a good judgement. User A: 1 bad game in 100 games, 90% positive vibe, 9% neutral user B: 10 bad games spaced 1 every 10 games, with 30% positive vibe, 60% neutral user C: 30% bad games all clustered together, 70% positive vibe

User B would receive punishment 1st, as they have a history of being toxic User C would receive punishment if the pattern continues, bad streaks happen. WE are human after all User A is free, because they slipped 1 game, not a pattern

I don't work on the system, but that is how it appears to work to me

10 game chat restriction- you did something 25 game- you continued doing it 14 day- you escalated perma- you continued escalating without ever appearing to become nontoxic, or in really bad cases racial/gender specific statements skip punishment tiers

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Of course not I'm not saying that. You asked initially why you received a chat restriction when you had done nothing wrong. I'm not trying to insult you, or imply that you are a bad person, or that you are constantly toxic. But as I said before, when you began fighting back, you stopped defending yourself, and started violating the rules just the same as they were. And unfortunately, you happened to be very close to the punishment threshold for the next punishment.

To find out why you were punished again so soon after your 10 game chat restriction, you'll need to submit a ticket to Player Support, and they will be able to tell you if there are other games/reports besides this one log. You may have been reported in the matches while you were serving your other chat restriction.

You do not have to LET someone abuse you. You do have the right to /mute them at any point, though I also understand the reasons for not wanting to do so. But the current method of weeding them out is by accruing reports/bans on those players. So you must report them for the system to do it's job. It is better to say silent, focus on your play, picks when you can, and try to win the match because of them. And then submit a detailed report in the post-game lobby. If you haven't said anything, and have been playing by the rules, they you are not going to be punished, But if you flame back, even n the name of defense, you might, because you also are violating the rules.

UnoGetGoldELO1 votes

"Kid Gir: hec gank plz Kid Gir: actually ff"

so he fails a gank possibly because you didnt help him enough and just watched i assume or he was poopy in his gank. that is no reason to go on a chatrampage and cry about it like a kiddo whose lolly been stolen looking for recognition "yes that lolypop was stolen i will contact the school counselor".

in the future if something upsets you dont type it out and swallow the pain , turn the pain into anger agains the enemy team and not your own team. its so simple to win games in league when everyone functions at a non autistic level of social interaction and raising eachothers morales yet some people fail to understand how important being in a "zone" is.

if you do not enjoy playing with others and dislike them , you will perform worse and do malicious things intentionally. if you give up your ego and play for the greater good overlooking bad plays and decisions you will have way more fun than imagineable. and ontop of that when someone plays bad and you tell them no worries we can still win , they wont feel nearly as bad about it and result in an antitilt pill.

what im trying to say with this is , you need to learn to get a hold of your emotions and not let them get the best of you trying to channel it onto others as if you were not to blame.

i do not even need to see the replay and i can already claim you did at least 5 mistakes in 5 minutes.

Kid Gir1 votes

i actually said ff because our top lane was 0/6 and even when i said that hec agreed with me, its when i asked for a gank at 13 minutes into the game and he didnt gank until 5 mins after and he chased a annie into a 3v1 in jg then proceeds to flame me, before you guys do open your mouth and make it seem like im the bad guy i would watch the replay and see i was fine until hec failed his gank and raged at me for not chasing, so please understand from my post( i have enough sense to make an educated argument but its come to the point that im always the bad guy in any sense)

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