Banned for 14 days...

Refórmed·Jun 18, 2017·2 votes·1,235 views

Hello. I was banned for about 14 days for using "toxic behavior." I do realize that I was indeed being toxic to a certain degree,, but it isn't really fair when my own team is toxic towards me and no punishment is given. For example, before I got banned, I was playing ranked and not doing so well and my team was flaming me and they were saying things that I shouldn't repeat in here. I do realize there's times when I'm toxic, but is there any way I can get unbanned? I really want the event items.

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ModThe DjinnJun 18, 20175 votes

Bans are only lifted when they are found to be applied in error. Unfortunately, you will have to wait out the 14-day suspension.

Bans are also given for your behavior and your behavior only: you always have the option to simply mute and ignore players being toxic towards you. Additionally, you are not necessarily informed when punishment is given to another player, nor how far along the tiers of punishment escalation they may be. It's probable that, if you reported other toxic players, they have or will soon be chat restricted or banned themselves.

RefórmedJun 18, 20171 votes

Am I just supposed to mute my whole team in a ranked game and get a loss because of lack of communication? There's no way to avoid this? I've reported many people, and before I do report them, I usually give them a warning, but that doesn't really stop them.

ModThe DjinnJun 18, 20172 votes

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Am I just supposed to mute my whole team in a ranked game and get a loss because of lack of communication? There's no way to avoid this? I've reported many people, and before I do report them, I usually give them a warning, but that doesn't really stop them.

You can still communicate with the rest of your team, or via pings, or via typing to your team (you simply won't see their text back). It is entirely possible to win ranked games with no communication though -- and if they're already trolling/flaming you then the communication is likely to be relatively low value anyway.

Yes, it's not a perfect solution -- but it's a better solution than responding with toxicity and getting punished yourself. Ultimately there IS no perfect solution for changing another person's behavior, as you have no real control over what they do or how they do it.

Telephone BoothJun 20, 20171 votes

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Am I just supposed to mute my whole team in a ranked game and get a loss because of lack of communication? There's no way to avoid this? I've reported many people, and before I do report them, I usually give them a warning, but that doesn't really stop them.

Well were they communicating about strategies anyways? Weren't they flaming you? Mute. Pings cover things like let's do baron, dragon, push lane, don't go in, etc...

Rand0mH3r0XJun 18, 20171 votes

Part of playing League of Legends is also keeping cool under pressure. You could be playing at a level higher than normal, but your stressed performance has actual consequences and you might not even be realizing that.

I don't think you could get unbanned for a legit ban, but maybe you can use this time to experience the summer, and of course evaluate your performance and how you could improve in the future. The next step after a 14-day ban is a permanent one.

RefórmedJun 18, 20171 votes

Wait seriously? Is there a wait period? For example, showing that I improved and the ban consequences are lowered? I spent about 100 + on this game... don't really want to get banned.

Rand0mH3r0XJun 18, 20171 votes

There is degrading punishment, in total it takes about 3months for you to drop to a clean account again with absolutely no reports.

ModThe DjinnJun 18, 20173 votes

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Wait seriously? Is there a wait period? For example, showing that I improved and the ban consequences are lowered? I spent about 100 + on this game... don't really want to get banned.

Your account standing can indeed improve after a sufficient number of games with good behavior. We cannot, unfortunately, give you a good idea of how many games this requires, as it seems to vary based on report rate, previous punishments, and possibly other factors that Riot doesn't reveal to us. I've heard it averages between three and fourth months to drop a tier, and you're at the third tier. That information isn't anything more than a rough guess however.

èGirl NamiJun 18, 20171 votes

wait it's around 3 to 4 months?

what i heard is somewhere between 6-8 months

èGirl NamiJun 18, 20172 votes

congrats on the title btw

ModThe DjinnJun 18, 20172 votes

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wait it's around 3 to 4 months?

what i heard is somewhere between 6-8 months

That's possible as well. Again, we don't really know with any accuracy.

èGirl NamiJun 18, 20172 votes

either way, i think the 6-8 months sounds better. since it's safer to assume it takes that long. but that's just my opinion

you never really know what could hit you from behind

èGirl NamiJun 18, 20171 votes

Yes, the next punishment you receive after a 14 day ban is a perma.

few things to note and a little advice.

stop spending money on your account now if you haven't already
don't talk back to anyone in chat who flames you or asks stupid questions
you'll have to play for around 6-8 months to get your account back to normal state
leaving the account for 6-8 months will not turn it back to normal state. you need to play some games and show good behavior

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 18, 20171 votes

How do you know no punishment was given? You cant.

And yes, it is fair.

This is not a playground. in real life, you get judged by your actions, not by how much someone baited you and how weak your self-control is. Nobody else needs to see two+ people having a dick-jousting contest because they cant get a grip and shut up.

SaltyNutz333Jun 19, 20171 votes

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And yes, it is fair.

This is not a playground.

Lol really.. so wtf is this? I got 14 day ban for the same reason. People talking crap... So I talked some back, but they were already buddies before the game (I could tell by their talk during the pre game) So I was instantly the outcast the moment I opened my mouth after being called "ur shit" 3 times. I got multiple reports by their click and got banned. So I messaged Riot and one of their reps told me I wasn't banned by an individual who reviewed the incident but rather by the system they have in place which automatically bans someone if it receives too many reports towards one player during the same game. That system then sends you a copy of all your comments during that game and then gives u the 2 weeks ban. No one saw what happened. No one cared. and it only happened because u were outnumbered and bc the system is designed to do what it does.

Now once you complain and their reps see you used a curse word, they justify your ban by quoting you and warn you that you'll get permanently banned next time.

So basically the toxic players who start the shit have the power to ban you. And if they are already friends when the game begins, you might as well just keep your mouth shut bc you will get banned if 2-3 or more of them report you. Don't really know I'm just guessing it has to be more than 1.

But now I get people shouldn't be A-holes in any given situation in life. But one of the few acceptable places to talk shit has always been video games. So you mean to tell me you spend money and time on a game and some jerks who INITIATE the shit talking can just gank up and mass report you and get you banned. And that's ok? that's the type of environment Riot wants for their community? and the Alternative is to just mute everyone and play like a robot. You can't even exit the game or else you also get bans. Your only choice is to stay there for another 20-30 mins and endure a bad situation so it doesnt ruin the experience for other people, when yours was already ruined? What other game have any of you guys ever played where the alternative of a shit talker was to mute him and lower your head and hope they don't report you after the game or else its pow pow by the company you invested hours and over a hundred bucks on. What other game?

Its bullshit that's what this is. There's better games out there guys. Its no wonder you get a lot of bots during PvP games now a days.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 19, 20171 votes

Except they do not. Reports do nothing by themselves.

Most people think that means they have no effect at all, oddly. What they do is flag someone for review. Riot has clarified repeatedly that the number of reports is meaningless and nobody is ever punished based on reports alone, without proof. Which is the only logical way to make a system free of the easy abuse you mentioned.

Typically in a case where two sides have a shit-talking contest, everyone ends up punished., regardless of who started it and how justified everyone feels. Defending yourself just feeds the trolls most of the time, anyway.

The ultimate way to spectacularly and safely piss them off is to prove how little you care, by simply ignoring their existence, or optionally popping a moderate number of ? pings and mastery emotes every time you die to whoever they fed.

"Acceptable" depends on the game. If it is a private server where everyone more or less knows each-other or understands the local rules, sure. In a public server it is unacceptable, has always been unacceptable, and is usually punished harshly by the community and/or moderators, except in unmoderated free-for-alls, in which case most of the players tend to be trolls, griefers and angry children anyway..

SaltyNutz333Jun 19, 20171 votes

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Except they do not. Reports do nothing by themselves.

Most people think that means they have no effect at all, oddly. What they do is flag someone for review. Riot has clarified repeatedly that the number of reports is meaningless and nobody is ever punished based on reports alone

Except they do.

"Your account was banned by our automated Instant Feedback system. It wasn't manually placed by a Rioter.." - Riot rep.

That's right, automated instant feedback system, the reports you can do right after a game. Riot may be telling people in the forums that they have people reviewing things, but that's only after you complain. Initially its all automatic. And yes it is easily abused. And when they say otherwise, they are probably just throwing water on the... riot... that people are about to start when they touch on this subject.

Just go to youtube and watch videos about people getting banned. There's the famous one that I'm sure people talked about here before, that some dude got banned bc multiple people reported him for playing a character off its meta role. Like when I play ww top and everyone thinks I'm crazy for using him for anything other than jg. So this dude gets banned, not because they reviewed the case and saw he did anything wrong. But because he was being reported over and over by the little kids who think that people HAVE to play a certain character a certain way. So after multiple reports he got banned. and when finally reviewed he was told that his ban was valid bc there were multiple reports for more than one game and was justified bc that means he was being unpleasant to the community.

So no, this banning system is bullshit. And again, if the only way to play this GAME is to bow ur head and obey snotty little toxic kids who poke are you from the beginning. Then I say F this.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 19, 20171 votes

Please look up how the automated system works before writing a wall of incorrect rage. Again, riot has clarified many times that **number of reports has no effect and nobody will ever be banned based on reports alone. ** Reports trigger a review, which is first automated, and only done manually if the automated review A; finds something really serious, or B; the issue is something difficult for a computer to deal with, like trolling or feeding.

The automated system is very, very good at detecting straight flaming, harassment and abuse, and surprisingly good at detecting passive-aggressive baiting and veiled harassment.

All it handles is verbal abuse and very obvious intentional feeding, ie 0/17 by 20 minutes, 6 tears.

It may get 'false' positives of a few friends joking around, if someone else on the team was offended enough to report them - which i have seen happen in cases of blatant racist or other hate speech, even intended humorously. Honestly, anyone dumb enough to do that in public should be prepared for someone to take it seriously and take the consequences.

The point of reports is to avoid the above situation in cases where nobody was offended by it or found it unacceptable conduct. If nobody cared, nobody gets punished, even if the system finds something it considers bad conduct(or just bad).

SaltyNutz333Jun 20, 20171 votes

"A wall of incorrect rage"? you just basically validated my point. The system is automated and most cases arent handled by humans... unless its "really serious" as you say... and as the RIOT representative said herself, I was banned by the automated system, not a rioter. IDC if you think or if riot says the system is really good. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't recognize situations like mine and the OP's, people who get instigated and then mass reported by a click. I have bearly been playing for 3 weeks and have never had any other confrontations other than the usual "I called top" talk. So don't sit there and tell me it takes a lot for the system to trigger a ban bc it didn't for me. And after it does ban you, and you complain to them and they finally review your case the next day. They will look and see that you used a curse and that's their justification there for your ban. They aren't going to undo a ban for a random dude. Like I said, they don't give a shit. You can keep believing whatever you want, but when it happens to you, I hope you hear saltynutz333's voice saying.. told you so.... and that's it. I don't intend to come back to these forums so don't waste your time replying. I just want to give people a heads up so they don't waste money on riot points, bc there's a likelihood that people will mass report you and get ur account banned.

DolynaJun 20, 20172 votes

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The fact of the matter is, it doesn't recognize situations like mine and the OP's, people who get instigated and then mass reported by a click.

Being mass reported doesn't matter. Nine reports in a game count the same as one. The system does ignore the actions of other players in reviewing your logs, because you're considered responsible for your own actions. Don't respond to toxic behavior with toxic behavior.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 20, 20172 votes

QQ more.

It did happen to me, years ago. I accepted that it was my fault instead of trying to blame the system. Since then i have never gotten a single warning and have incidentally enjoyed the game more.

Denial wont fix your problems.

RefórmedJun 18, 20171 votes

Alright thanks guys.