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Way to solve the toxic community.

Godly Pro··9 votes·1,115 views

Just instant ban people who are toxic. Why do we coddle people with chat restrictions? Since season 6 I have seen more toxicity than anything. You even let known toxic players play in the LCS which sets a bad example. Domination is the only previous toxic player I have seen actually reform. Instead of chat restrictions I purpose two things.

  1. Remove Chat: It is a distraction and most things can be told by pings. Giving a Chat outlet also allows players to be toxic or passive aggressive. However, I know many people are against this because it creates problems like (Some people being toxic in no verbal outlets)

  2. Start with a 2 week ban then increase the ban from 2 week to 4 week etc until it hits a year then perma ban. I say this because When you say "Chat restrictions are for players who are just having a bad day" You are kind of saying it's ok to have a bad day and be toxic. You aren't really solving the problem but you are prolonging it. Most people don't care they are chat restricted. I think you need to send strong message about this sooner.

I don't Rob the bank not because I don't want to and I am a good person. But because my freedom will be taken away for a long time. We should really think hard about what prevents people from being toxic. Personally I see more and more people going to counter strike because games like that people don't spend an entire match typing. Or if they do they have the option of leaving and finding a new match. This game you are stuck with a person for an hour. And I think because of the length of matches thats why we see more toxicity.

39 Comments

Lothàrs Edge4 votes

So... deplete their source of money because of your feelings?

Godly Pro4 votes

I didn't say perma ban them from the get go.. I said two week ban immediately. Start with a harsh punishment will cut the behavior faster. if they keep doing it then 4 week/6 week/ increase it by two weeks every-time. This person will either reform and stop chatting or they will waste their own time creating more accounts and increasing revenue for riot. This game will die out because Counter Strike and other MOba's will get more popular with less toxic formats. If this issue isnt solved soon I Give LOL 2 more years then it becomes star craft.

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

Extreme punishments do not curb behavior in this setting. It would only deplete their clientele.

Every game including CS/other mobas that have similar settings will inevitably have toxicity.

Billybaroo23141 votes

Depleting the clientele in a free game to get rid of the toxic players and to improve the Community will lead to the community growing in the long run because when you get rid of the bad (toxic players) you get and keep the good (usually money spenders also) and will I bet improve their profits.

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

You would get rid of over 95% of the playerbase by removing every toxic player.

CrimsonCobra34 votes

I don't agree that removing chat would help anything. Chat is a legitimate means of communication, and every now and then I enjoy a beneficial conversation with a stranger in League. Yes, it's abused by toxic players, but they can be dealt with. It can also be important to share strategies with my teammates. I can say that I'm going to build tanky, or raw damage. That I'm going to gank frequently, that I need help, or that I like to play aggressively.

I don't particularly care about how the banning system works, I think it's good at the moment. My question is, where does all the toxicity come from? How come I have one to three toxic players nearly every match? It's confusing to me that people get so frustrated over a game--and I usually don't even play ranked. I think it would be a better, if less simple, method to try to find the root cause of displeasure and fix that.

~CrimsonCobra3

Godly Pro6 votes

Toxicity is just part of human nature. Trying to solve why someone is toxic doesn't solve anything because we are all different. I mean part of the problem is league because people find "Conversations" in a game that should be focus based as a means of communicating. Some of my best games are the ones when no one talks except "Cait red" / "Mid blue?". I Think you will find that to be true in your games as well.

CrimsonCobra31 votes

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Toxicity is just part of human nature. Trying to solve why someone is toxic doesn't solve anything because we are all different. I mean part of the problem is league because people find "Conversations" in a game that should be focus based as a means of communicating. Some of my best games are the ones when no one talks except "Cait red" / "Mid blue?". I Think you will find that to be true in your games as well.

I agree with you that toxicity is a part of human nature, (though not one I want to continue), I am slightly confused as to what you mean when you say "should be focus based as a means of communicating." You speak of conversations in a slightly negative tone. Was this intended? What do you mean? (I'd find it hard to understand someone who didn't like conversation, but I know it's definitely possible.)

StaticMeek1 votes

I think he means in a game where your focus should be on playing not typing you should really be trying to win the game and not make friends through conversation. Sometimes post chat can get you those same conversations. You have to also understand the word "Conversation" means a long in depth talk. Maybe what you meant to say is "small talk" which are two different things and I am sure no one has problem with small talk. But you shouldn't be playing a game that is about 50 minutes long to have conversations. Agreed?

CrimsonCobra31 votes

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I think he means in a game where your focus should be on playing not typing you should really be trying to win the game and not make friends through conversation. Sometimes post chat can get you those same conversations. You have to also understand the word "Conversation" means a long in depth talk. Maybe what you meant to say is "small talk" which are two different things and I am sure no one has problem with small talk. But you shouldn't be playing a game that is about 50 minutes long to have conversations. Agreed?

That would be a little strange, agreed. Yes, brief discussion, pre, or post game is more along the lines of what I was thinking.

Godly Pro1 votes

Yeah, I figured thats what you mean't as well. To me a conversation is like what were doing here. We wouldn't want us having this conversation in the game though. I already know I will get mad down-votes because Riot is influenced by dollar amounts and not really "fixing" the problem. They have an idea of how to help curb it while gaining from the revenue of the toxic players but they don't really want to fix it. Emotionally charged people are more likely going to play that one game over and over and over. I think Riot somewhat feeds off the negativity and showers in the greed. I never seen a game with this type of format and have the toxicity level so huge. I mean WoW Was really bad but muting someone in WoW Didn't affect your game play.

Shosha1 votes

Pause, okay well how about just idk Taking away the chat for the toxic people? Like duh. I don't know why Riot is still perma banning "toxic" people and not just taking their chat away, they clearly have the ability to do it.

Shosha3 votes

I agree with this. I even have a post of my own going with a vote that has it if Toxic players shouldn't be perma banned only have their chat taken away. If they can't chat that really limits their toxicity, and if they start inting, then they take the L and get banned. I don't think chat bans are useless, they are just too loose, they need to be stricter. This is coming from a person with permabanned accounts.

Godly Pro6 votes

Yeah, I personally don't find chat restriction effective. When I got chat restricted personally I went into ranked and I trolled because I got chat restricted for really minor things. To me when I get chat restricted it told me "Well they can't ban me for playing syndra support" or "Cant ban me for stealing adc's cs" I mean honestly if they were a lot rough on punishment they would fix the toxicity. I been playing for 4 seasons and the toxicity is increasing not decreasing. I don't think riot is honest with toxicity numbers. Because I personally run into some type of passive-aggressive/toxic type behavior every other game. No one likes losing when you have to spend an hour losing. Only toxic players would have an issue with a two week ban from the start type behavior system. Problem is Riot takes advice from psychologist which are taught "prescribe" instead of "cure" mentality. So these progressive punishment platform which is no different than what you see at a job doesn't "really" work. People bend the rules to benefit their need. You cant cure everyone but forcing someone into a two week ban will make them re think how they want to behave in the future. But I think riot is afraid they will two week ban too many and lose revenue. You see if your chat restricted they still profit from you buying in stores. They don't profit when they ban. Greed will always succeed in this world.

Shosha3 votes

Yeah, honestly, put another thing I have is their current thing from chat ban to actual ban scales too fucking hard two weeks into perma ban HELLO!? Like what is that?!? It should be Three days one weeks two weeks one month three months 6 months perma, like it used to be. Like why am I banned instantly for calling someone bad or for telling someone to uninstall or for arguing. It's total bullshit.

BioVirus1 votes

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Yeah, honestly, put another thing I have is their current thing from chat ban to actual ban scales too fucking hard two weeks into perma ban HELLO!? Like what is that?!? It should be Three days one weeks two weeks one month three months 6 months perma, like it used to be. Like why am I banned instantly for calling someone bad or for telling someone to uninstall or for arguing. It's total bullshit.

Then don't bother to talk in chat at all. I get it.. It's the interwebz where very one has a puffed chest and a bad attitude.. It's easy to call some one out with a keyboard.

Just try it

stay silenced

Shosha2 votes

How about not being so strict? Like holy shit banned for arguing? That's literally some elementary school punishment shit going on.

Niyumi2 votes

How about we remove everyone who uses the term "toxic" seriously? They're the only ones who cry about chat, and they're the ones who cause issues. Then us adults can play the game and, you know, not take grave offense to the chat in a video game.

LadyLike xo4 votes

Toxic is a term that describes a specific behavior. You don't have to be triggered by a word that describes a childish behavior. Personally, I think the only people who wouldn't agree to harsher punishment is those who are toxic. (Example: Hackers for a long time use "Security" As a reason and a means to have hacking programs. Hackers would never want you to pass a law saying "Designing this type of program is illegal" because hackers will say "If you do that how can we test our programs for security") It is the same exact concept. Removing chat isn't the greatest idea but starting with stricter punishment is a better way of going about fixing the toxicity in this community.

Niyumi2 votes

Toxic means poisonous. The term "toxic" (when applied to the internet) is how children (physical and mental children) describe anything they don't like, or anyone who disagrees with them.

And, honestly, begging for people to be removed from a game they play and enjoy is more "toxic" than anything I could ever type in chat. Chat has no real life consequences, but forcefully taking someone's hobby from them does. So, who's more toxic?

Again, the first step to fixing the community is to remove every brat who uses the word "toxic" in any sense outside of biology / chemistry.

Lauchmelder2 votes

An actual adult doesn't need to flame because that adult will mentally stand above that certain player.

Godly Pro2 votes

I think personally thats a cop out statement. Every Adult has a melting point. Every Adult sometimes acts like a child.

Ada Wong1 votes

I already do what you suggested it doesn't solve the toxicity issue ** As soon as I know a game is going to be toxic I cut off all communication I type (/Mute All) and I turn off my sound so I cant hear pings either both are a distraction to me when not used as I would use them.**

Then solve the issue with players trolling Role Selection, the new role system solved many of my problems for the last 4 months maybe 5 now, but players are intentionally trolling / griefing and causing loss of games.

Examples

. Junglers who run into a persons lane and throw a lane off without thinking ( I Think we need a cure to the zombie disease going around.) (Brains?) This can be very disruptive to a lane phase in many ways Pushing CS, Ruining a kill your ally is about to get, causing the enemy to get ahead, and costing your ally XP /Farm if done incorrectly it puts the enemy ahead instead.

. Players stealing roles and telling (X) player go (X) location instead when they say no at champion selection needs to be dealt with especially when they cause the game to be lost by griefing.

Mhihnj1 votes

Start with a 2 week ban then increase the ban from 2 week to 4 week etc until it hits a year then perma ban.

I doubt people will wait for a year just to get their account unbanned. let it go from 1 week ban to 2 weeks to finally 4 weeks then permanent

StaticMeek1 votes

I agree that with you why chat wouldn't be great on removing. Because those same toxic people would then become non verbal toxic. having the chat allows riot to catch those who are toxic. But I also think Longer ban times and faster action is better. I mean Chat restriction is easy to get rid of.. You just play Aram. Or you get friends and play twisted and /ff at 15 minutes.

MasterSomething1 votes

Alright, there are reasons why Riot has their system like so, and why they will never remove their chat. They won't change their punishment system. It has proven effective at clearing out toxicity more than other seasons (at least according to others- I never found much toxicity myself), and is based on the prospect of reform. They always want to give players a chance, that one tiny bit of chance that they will get smart before their permanent ban. Sadly, most players won't realize they needed to change until they get the final punishment, which is a sad thing. It's more of an optimistic look of the punishment system, at least.

Also, chat is not there to be toxic- some people use it to be. It's there for things you can't put into pings (dragon is warded by enemy, enemy will be ganking bot in about 20 seconds and he has ult, we need to push on all 3 lanes simultaneously, they're all grouping mid) or generally saying positive things or joking around with your team. If chat was removed, a lot more people than you think would be against this. I am very against this as well, as then my two legendary skins become a lot less fun (I like reciting their lines).

Shosha1 votes

It has NOT proven effective at clearing out toxicity LMAO. The game is more toxic then ever if Riot just TAKES AWAY "Toxic" PLAYERS CHATS BOOM Toxic GONE.

MasterSomething1 votes

That's not how it works. Riot tried permanent chat restrictions before (it was a stacking chat restrict, some even went to the hundreds or thousands), and guess what? People turned to trolling to be toxic. Throwing games, feeding, stealing farm on purpose, etc. It's not easy, and it's not how it works. Also, taking away chat will hurt the majority MUCH more than the minority.

Shosha1 votes

I didn't say chat restrictions. NO CHAT. TAKE IT AWAY LMFAO Why is it so hard for people to understand that? Not chat Restrictions. Chat removal for the toxic person. Like, they can't open the chat, only see it. Or their messages just don't send.

MasterSomething1 votes

Well, then they would just turn to trolling as well. Doesn't matter whether it's just restrictions or permanent chat removal.

Shosha1 votes

If they start trolling then actually ban them? Are you dumb?

MasterSomething1 votes

Thing is, they are so toxic for so long that it hurts more people in a long run than it does in a short run.

Shosha1 votes

Then take away their ability to be Toxic? Like, what? Is it that hard?

Step 1 Remove their chat. Incase of not trolling. (Ignore them) Incase of trolling. (Refer to Step 2.) Step 2 Ban their ass.

MasterSomething1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm] You do know how hard it is to detect trolling, right? They could be having a bad game, playing off meta, getting camped, etc. Trolling takes extremely long to detect, and therefore more time to catch and punish, and thus a lot of people suffer.

Shosha1 votes

Looking at chat, what they say, their team mates say and what the enemy says, their build, their score, their champ their role. If you are good enough you can sniff it out.

MasterSomething1 votes

Yea, do it off of one game, and easily detect that 1000s of times each day off of millions of players while attempting to verify false reports...

The system is not as magic with trolling as you think. It's not easy, at all.

BioVirus1 votes

I think bans need to be more harsh, If you're chat banned you should be RANK banned aswell.

THE FOOLKILLER1 votes

Yeah people get rude but sticks and stones you can mute and block players so why be a wuss and cry "TOXIC" like a five year old. Granted some children play LoL that is what the language filter is for. Really culture for an e-sport grow a pair of whatever you are lacking enough drama from grown adults with puny sensitive hearts. You can hide in game or face it. PvP is a mind game as well as tactics. In real life do you run every time something offends you? You will never succeed in anything let alone a free game if you let mere words crush you like a grape! Veigar

Billybaroo23141 votes

As long as EVERYONE knows that the reporting system is automated and requires people to actually report someone, and that the Tribunal is now a big joke, the toxicity will never change. I have lost friends I like to play with due to the fact we like to try to compete and advance in ranked play but the trolls, and toxicity is so high at the moment and the "take a joke" especially in bronze many have given up. I also think that the creation of clans, though a great idea and has wonderful aspects to it, has created a new way to be toxic with impunity.

Actually ban the toxic people, would fix half the problem. Yes they can create another account and run it up...ban them if they continually are toxic or trolling. People need to use the report button, and yes you can mute them (ignoring a problem never fixes it, just makes it worse), but if we don't do our part Riot can't do theirs. The major problem is THERE IS NO FEAR OF BEING TOXIC FOR NO FEAR OF BEING BANNED FROM THE GAME.

I have taken to if team wants to be toxic, I don't have to help them win, I can do my thing. I know not the best solution, but "take a joke" and "grow up" and "mute them" and I will take a loss as well, as I tend to win a lot more then I lose.

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