Don't feel like typing much, but I got perma banned for calling a guy f*ucking idiot after he called me stupid %%%%%% and cursed everything he could at me. I didn't report him but I guess he reported me. Way to go Riot, go vote for TRUMP. racism top level on LoL #RIOT#1RACISTS #TRUMP
AeroWaffle13 votesYou are judged based on your behavior and your behavior alone.
They will be judged based off their behavior and their behavior alone when the system has gotten to them.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesThe thing is that I feel like his response was not inappropriate given the situation.
If you approached someone in the real world and called them a racial slur based on their ethnicity, and they call you a fucking idiot, you deserve it 100%. They are completely justified in saying "fucking idiot".
TrulyBland2 votesHere's the situation: OP had a mute button at their disposal to entirely negate anything else thrown at them. OP had a report feature at their disposal to help actually fix the problem. OP chose to flame the person that will pretty much not care at all about what is being said about them, making it so even people that muted the racist still had to endure the negativity produced by it.
Did that guy deserve being called a fucking idiot? Maybe. Was it the appropriate way to deal with the situation? Absolutely not. OP didn't help fix the original problem and instead actually fostered the problem by giving an asshole the attention they wanted and forcing people to mute two teammates instead of one, if they want to avoid the situation.
Saying something is justified doesn't make it so, and you didn't really give any reason why it would be necessary or beneficial to act like OP.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesBoo hoo, the other 8 people had to hear the word "fucking idiot" once. How horrible. /s
All I know is that if someone approached me and called me a racist slur, they'd be damn sure that I'm going to call them out on it.
Anyways as someone who has been bullied in the past, here are 3 possible responses to bullying.
There's an aggressive response, such as screaming curses back at the bully, which is considered retaliation and is and definitely should be bannable. It's just fanning the fire, and it's usually the start of a long argument in chat that nobody wants to hear. This response is never appropriate and will usually just make the bully think it's even more fun to pick on you.
There's the assertive response which lets them know that you're not taking bullshit. It's usually a quick 1 liner, such as "this behavior is not okay" "stop acting like a moron" "you're being a fucking idiot" or "lol just fuck off bro". You don't engage the bully in an argument, you only tell them one thing, and then leave them alone. This response is the best if you have been being harassed over a long course of time and the harassment isn't stopping. Sometimes you might also use this method if you want to show the bully that you're not scared to stand up to them.
Then there's the passive response which is ignoring the bully, which seems to be what you guys are talking about. And sometimes this is a valid response too. Sometimes, not every conflict is worth giving a shit about.
I think both ignoring and making an assertive 1 liner are equally appropriate here in the OP's situation. But expecting someone to only ignore is an unfair expectation.
XerShade2 votesBoo hoo. The OP takes his ban and eats it then. Why should I have to see "fucking idiot" in my game chat because someone insulted you. Point, I DONT.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesMaybe it's because I didn't grow up sheltered like you, where everyone took care of problems for you.
I grew up in a society where I learned that I gotta use my words to fight back against bullying. I came from a school system where if you told the teacher that someone's been picking on you, they'd pick on you even more after their 1 detention which wouldn't change anything. I learned that only I can let a bully know that I'm not an easy victim.
People nowadays never learn to be tough, or to stand up for themselves. They are taught to let other people handle their problems for them.
XerShade1 votesRight, so in your country you might not have this but here in civilization, and I quote: "Verbal abuse is an infringement on an individual's sense of security and their physical and psychological integrity, which are protected under federal and provincial charters of rights and freedoms as well as under the law."
Last I checked, calling someone a "fucking idiot" was verbal abuse. I also grew up under the teachings of two wrongs do not make a right, and it takes two to fight. Was also brought up in being less wrong doesn't excuse you from a punishment.
If someone shoots me in the leg, and I shoot them back in defense, that does not make me right it merely makes me less wrong then they were. Both parties would be in the wrong and therefore eligible for punishment.
So yes, while that person spouting racism was more in the wrong than the OP, that does NOT give the OP the right to violate the rules themselves.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesAlso I think it's everyone's responsibility to stand up to bullies and racists. I think the other 4 people on the team are supposed to say something about it, because it's everyone's responsibility.
TrulyBland2 votesThere's the assertive response which lets them know that you're not taking bullshit. It's usually a quick 1 liner, such as "this behavior is not okay" "stop acting like a moron" "you're being a fucking idiot" or "lol just fuck off bro". You don't engage the bully in an argument, you only tell them one thing, and then leave them alone. This response is the best if you have been being harassed over a long course of time and the harassment isn't stopping. Sometimes you might also use this method if you want to show the bully that you're not scared to stand up to them.
This entire argument can be summed up with "defending your own ego". And that's why it's not "equally appropriate" to ignoring the bully. You're not doing this because the bully "deserves" it, and definitely not because it's "justified". You're doing this so you can feel better about yourself, because you value your own ego more than appropriately dealing with the situation. You want the harassment to stop? Mute them. You want the harassment to stop for others? Report them.
A well-chosen one-liner might help bring your point across when it's a face-to-face conversation... but in an online video game? Do you really think that anybody will stop harassing you online because of how awesomly you stood up for yourself?
That's just the thing, this kind of reaction has no positive effects and does have negative side-effects. Are those side-effects horrible? No. Not really. But if all you can say in the defense of something that it isn't horrible, then that's not that good of a defense.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesI report racists every time I meet one.
How many messages do I get that someone I reported was punished? In the past month, 0.
How many bullies have I gotten to stop picking on me by telling the teacher when I was in school? 0.
TrulyBland1 votesWell, the first part of your argument is difficult to judge because you didn't say how many racists you met in the past month. Even though we like to think they're extremely frequent, they're really not. So it's not difficult to believe that you simply were not the last report to trigger a punishment.
Furthermore, how do you know those weren't handled via manual review in order to escalate to 14-day or permaban? I will admit Riot should try to make these things slightly more transparent, but the truth is that you still don't have any conclusive evidence that your reports do not make a difference.
The second part of your argument is nonsense since you are comparing two completely different systems. For starters: If your school had a 4-strike policy after which the bully would be permanently kicked from school it probably would have been fairly effective to tell the teacher.
And all of that still doesn't explain how yelling at them is supposed to make it better. Even if both methods were entirely ineffective, then the one that doesn't also inconvenience others is obviously still a better way to react to the problem, which still goes against your point that both methods are "equally appropriate".
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesIt's to show the bullies that you're not afraid of confrontation and that you're not too scared to say no.
Most of the people in my school who got bullied, including myself, were people who were shy, afraid of confrontation and overall people who don't tend to speak up for themselves. A lot of us also didn't have many friends to back us up. If you show that you're not afraid of confrontation, bullies are cowards, they tend to back off and pick a different (easier) target.
And no, if the bully was kicked from school he'd be really happy "yay I don't have to go to school anymore".
TrulyBland1 votesAgain, you are comparing school bullies to online bullies, which is a completely different subject. You want to not be an easy target? Mute them. That makes it pretty much impossible for them to target you. Talking back at somebody online will not make them shy away from the confrontation and it certainly won't make them pick a different target. I mean, why the hell would it? It doesn't make you less of an easy target.
And whether or not the bully would be happy or not is irrelevant. If the school worked like this system, they most likely wouldn't ever return to that school and thus still stop bullying you. And even if they do return they will first have to spend a lot of time before they're even remotely likely to even get into the same game as you.
Please,stop comparing bullies that are actually in your physical proximity to internet bullies that are only "close" to you because an algorithm decided to put both of you out of millions of players into the same game.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesFirst of all, you don't get to broadcast racism onto the internet without people calling you out.
Second, most racists say the racist things they do because they think that a lot of people agree with them. If people show them that they don't agree, most of the times, the racist will shut up.
TrulyBland1 votesNo. On the internet most "racists" say racist things to get attention. If you encounter anybody using the N-word on the internet, the most likely case is they are edgy teenagers.
Oh and if only reporting them and getting their asses banned from this server would be a good way of showing you disagree with them. Or, even if you don't think that is actually being done, if only there was a way to express your disagreement without adding more fuel to the flamewar.
XinZhao2WinNhao1 votesEdgy teenagers say those words because they think it will make them cool, or popular.
If you show them that it doesn't make them cool or popular, they will shut up.
Also, if you are the first one to say something against the racism, I bet you others will also join in. Most people don't like to be the first person to stand up to someone, but if someone else starts saying something, they all join you.
Zykklon B3 votesBUILD THE WALL
Kürama3 votesThe system is designed to punish consistent or extreme cases of toxicity which you have admitted to. One game wouldn't be enough to land you a punishment though so you've been doing this for a while.
You would have received a reform card explaining your punishment in detail, if you provide them, we can analyse them to see where you went wrong and how to improve (even though this should be obvious).
P.S. Trump isn't a racist.
Ozag the Mighty3 votesI love people when they say trump is racist and I tell them to find me direct quotes on any thing he says racist and then they just start spewing out that I'm racist...go go mainstream media!
ShotSkill2 votesFirst I get banned for server maintenance lag for AFKing in EUNE then I get banned for giving somebody a second chance in EUW.
Breaku5 votesNot how that works.
You seem toxic though. Care to post the provided chat logs?
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesWouldn't that AFK ban be due to leaverbuster? And as such, not due to one specific incident, but a pattern of leaving games/afking during them? Or has that changed since the last time I went through the CoC?
Dominick Destine1 votesIt's funny when people fail to tell an obviously skewed story, and/or troll thread like this one.
If this is a serious thread (Which it isn't); You were not permabanned for supporting the ultra draconian system.... you were permabanned BECAUSE of the ultra draconian system. I find this to be very ironic... people that would have no problem with getting others permabanned suddenly dislike the draconian system when the blade falls unto their neck rather than everyone else.
Maximum Morde1 votesI don't know about you, but when I see two people arguing, I wish they would both go jump off a bridge. Punishment deserved.
