I guess a lot of us have reported some players after games for they feeding, talking trash, afk, and so on. but it seems nothing happened to these players. if the system is not capable of doing something like punishment, why even bother creating this part of system?
Starcraft243ver6 voteshttps://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation
Zykklon B3 votesI mean Im not playing right now due to ''feeding''
But it does something actually
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesUnfortunately, only with chat.
Zezockary2 votesIt also punishes for gameplay related negativity, it just isn't quite as good at it because it is harder to prove intent of an action. If you do something stupid like run it down mid or build all one item then you will more than likely be punished for it.
The other side of the issue is that a lot of people report players when they just had a bad game and expect them to be punished. Everyone has bad games.
leaugesbane1 votesIt also punishes for gameplay related negativity, it just isn't quite as good at it because it is harder to prove intent of an action. If you do something stupid like run it down mid or build all one item then you will more than likely be punished for it.
no it doesn't. the second part is the why. if there is not chat then your sol. hell all the troll has to do is repeat
I'm sorry I'm trying and the like over an over and the guy getting trolled will get banned for "flaming" him for wanting to know why hes feeding and trolling.
Zezockary4 votesYes, it does. I have seen people post on this forum questioning why they were banned for 2 weeks or permabanned and people brought up games where they had been trolling as evidence.
People don't post about it on the forums very often because they know what got them punished, but they do get punished for it. I am not saying the system for detecting them is perfect, but it exists and functions.
leaugesbane1 votesYes, it does. I have seen people post on this forum questioning why they were banned for 2 weeks or permabanned and people brought up games where they had been trolling as evidence.
People don't post about it on the forums very often because they know what got them punished, but they do get punished for it. I am not saying the system for detecting them is perfect, but it exists and functions.
lol XD no its not posted often because it doesn't happen often and I grantee you there was chat involved. 90% is an exaggeration on my part to make a point and it clearly did its job given your reaction.
Zezockary1 votesAt this point, we are just arguing back and forth over opinions, so the conversation isn't going anywhere.
I don't even see anywhere you said anything about 90% though, I don't know what you are referring to.
leaugesbane1 votesAt this point, we are just arguing back and forth over opinions, so the conversation isn't going anywhere.
I don't even see anywhere you said anything about 90% though, I don't know what you are referring to.
different post =[
SEKAI1 voteslol XD no its not posted often because it doesn't happen often and I grantee you there was chat involved. 90% is an exaggeration on my part to make a point and it clearly did its job given your reaction.
It does its job, to an extent, as in banning players based on game performance alone.
Earlier today there was 1 person who came up half-joke-half-complained that they were banned by the automated system for inting because they were so bad and actually went 1/10 or something, and the system thought they were intentional feeding instead (hopefully they went to the Riot support for it).
But idk.
leaugesbane1 votesIt does its job, to an extent, as in banning players based on game performance alone.
Earlier today there was 1 person who came up half-joke-half-complained that they were banned by the automated system for inting because they were so bad and actually went 1/10 or something, and the system thought they were intentional feeding instead.
But idk.
that wasnt a joke or a lie if they where complaining I guarantee a chat element "idgaf" or something along those lines showing intent again in game chat was used.
Kartagia1 votesIt also punishes for gameplay related negativity, it just isn't quite as good at it because it is harder to prove intent of an action. If you do something stupid like run it down mid or build all one item then you will more than likely be punished for it.
The other side of the issue is that a lot of people report players when they just had a bad game and expect them to be punished. Everyone has bad games.
And Riot is doing nothing to real griefers as they have got huge DDoS on them every time they have done something to them. Rage quitters gets no punishment at all. Getting 8 mins wait before queue for ruining game for 4 others is not punishment. It is JOKE laughing at losers who gt into team of the rage quitter. They should've got better team (which RIOt chose random).
Zezockary2 votesOh sweet, are we passing out tinfoil hats?
So you are telling me that every person that trolls in this game is part of an organization that has some sort of leverage over Riot?
If such a group existed, then wouldn't they also want Riot to stop suspending people for chat related toxicity as well? Or are they just very well-mannered trolls?
The leaverbuster is tuned to punish people lightly so that you don't receive a heavy punishment for having to leave in emergencies or unpredictable circumstances (like a power outage or your pc breaking down). Most games have much lighter punishments to no punishments at all for leaving matches. Hell, back when I played Overwatch I left nearly every match where my team had duplicate characters or stupid team comps. I think I eventually got punished after like a couple days of playing like that and I can't even remember what the punishment was because it was so weak. On League if you leave like 3-4 matches it will punish you and I have seen people quit the game over having to wait for matches because of LPQ's.
And do you have any evidence whatsoever that the people Riot chose for their team is unqualified to do their jobs? Toxicity is at an all time low and is lower than it is in other games. Personally I think they are doing a great job.
Kartagia1 votesOh sweet, are we passing out tinfoil hats?
No tinfoil hats. Apparently you have not done your research on network griefer community 4chan. It is network equivalent of Hell's Angels and other 1% criminal organizations. I have seen in EVE online how well those who break rules work together when someone tries to stop them. They are not organized in the sense you think conspiracy would. But they are organized with loose, but tight organization like those in Mafia. Are you telling me the Mob is just conspiracy theory?
So you are telling me that every person that trolls in this game is part of an organization that has some sort of leverage over Riot?
No, I am not telling every person is like that. I am telling significant minority has been able to poison minds of majority. They have made toxicity norm. They are breaking the rules and loves to watch world burn.
If such a group existed, then wouldn't they also want Riot to stop suspending people for chat related toxicity as well? Or are they just very well-mannered trolls?
They do not want such thing. They want Riot system to block people fighting against them. They are using the system like American organized crime uses political and judical system. They use every single loop hole with blatant and shameless lying.
And do you have any evidence whatsoever that the people Riot chose for their team is unqualified to do their jobs? Toxicity is at an all time low and is lower than it is in other games. Personally I think they are doing a great job.
I have evidence. Network specialist team member of EUNE support could not grasp term ISP. He could not understand basic network server-client operation. He could not understand how internet routing works.
Zezockary2 votesI have evidence. Network specialist team member of EUNE support could not grasp term ISP. He could not understand basic network server-client operation. He could not understand how internet routing works.
Your evidence is that someone in a different region, who isn't related to the player behavior team, doesn't know anything about his job, which isn't related to player behavior? How does that prove that the player behavior team is picked at random? Especially here in NA where they actually make the game, as opposed to other countries that primarily handle localization and regional player support to my knowledge.
You don't make the game that has the most monthly active users out of any game in the world by hiring people at random. There may be a few people in the company as a whole who shouldn't be there, but if nobody in the EU servers knew anything about networking then the servers wouldn't even be running.
Kartagia1 votesYour evidence is that someone in a different region, who isn't related to the player behavior team, doesn't know anything about his job, which isn't related to player behavior? How does that prove that the player behavior team is picked at random? Especially here in NA where they actually make the game, as opposed to other countries that primarily handle localization and regional player support to my knowledge.
If organization is hiring such people into Network specialist team, it gives me really good impression on human resources skill level of the organization. It is non-existing. And as player of different region, all of my requests and quite likely all of my report handling is given to that region staff.
But I think you are on mode "no proof is good enough as I am RIot fanboy". There is no point giving trumpers any facts as they always have excuse to deny it.
You don't make the game that has the most monthly active users out of any game in the world by hiring people at random. There may be a few people in the company as a whole who shouldn't be there, but if nobody in the EU servers knew anything about networking then the servers wouldn't even be running.
Actually taking into account the amount of lag and load screen crashes, I think nobody know their trade. The reason why game is running at all is simple: the networking is done the owners of computer center where server virtual machines are running. Do you know how Networking systems work? As I happen to know with good experience of IT sector.
Zezockary2 votesBut I think you are on mode "no proof is good enough as I am RIot fanboy". There is no point giving trumpers any facts as they always have excuse to deny it.
I would certainly accept any form of evidence you provide to me, provided it is relevant to the topic. Having someone bad on the networking team does reflect poorly on human resources. How does that impact the player behavior team? Even if they are unskilled at hiring people that does not mean that everyone they hire is bad at their job. Again, if nobody knew what they were doing they would not be able to create and continue to run/support the game with the most monthly users in the world right now.
Actually taking into account the amount of lag and load screen crashes, I think nobody know their trade. The reason why game is running at all is simple: the networking is done the owners of computer center where server virtual machines are running. Do you know how Networking systems work? As I happen to know with good experience of IT sector.
I have not encountered any lag or loading screen crashes, so those problems are most likely with your system. If you make a post in the Help & Support boards maybe somebody can help you with that.
I have a little knowledge of networking, but probably not as much as you. I do know that they run their own servers, at least in the NA region because not to far back they relocated them so I did a little reading up on them, so your claim, at least in my region, is flat out wrong.
Kartagia1 votesI would certainly accept any form of evidence you provide to me, provided it is relevant to the topic. Having someone bad on the networking team does reflect poorly on human resources. How does that impact the player behavior team? Even if they are unskilled at hiring people that does not mean that everyone they hire is bad at their job. Again, if nobody knew what they were doing they would not be able to create and continue to run/support the game with the most monthly users in the world right now.
I have not encountered any lag or loading screen crashes, so those problems are most likely with your system. If you make a post in the Help & Support boards maybe somebody can help you with that.
Then it is only related to EUNE and EUW. This is good to know. And support board has not helped me once in this case. Trust me, I have tried it numerous times. If it would be just my network, the case would be easy, but it is really frequent in games seeing ally or enemy suffering from it. Once I was told to send message to actual Riot dev, but the idiot uses white lists and thus my European email was rejected by white list system. (Computer scientists has long time ago proven that white lists are really really bad idea, but it is really frequently used in USA).
Taking into account how most big companies treat Europe, it is quite likely only affects Europe. IT is also possible that the poor quality of support staff is only European issue. The sad part is Europeans have no other option due American total ignorance of reality. Trump is just pinnacle of this attitude problem. President Truman and Johnsson were good examples of it in the past.
I have a little knowledge of networking, but probably not as much as you. I do know that they run their own servers, at least in the NA region because not to far back they relocated them so I did a little reading up on them, so your claim, at least in my region, is flat out wrong.
Relocating server does not nowadays mean actual physical hardware move. It is possible they own the hardware but only server hardware. The ISP of their server hosting site is not theirs. Quite few companies nowadays actually own real servers or real hardware, but use virtual servers in server farms. This applies even to giants like MicroSoft or IBM. They do own some servers, but not all. Leasing them is way easier.
Zezockary1 votesRelocating server does not nowadays mean actual physical hardware move. It is possible they own the hardware but only server hardware. The ISP of their server hosting site is not theirs. Quite few companies nowadays actually own real servers or real hardware, but use virtual servers in server farms. This applies even to giants like MicroSoft or IBM. They do own some servers, but not all. Leasing them is way easier.
Actually, Riot not only owns their servers here, they also set up routers at different physical locations to help the ping of their players and set up contracts with different ISPs to try to get the fastest routes possible to and from their servers. I am not going to pretend that I am any kind of expert on the matter, but they do have a few articles on Riot Games Engineering.
https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-i https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-ii https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-iii
Kartagia1 votesActually, Riot not only owns their servers here, they also set up routers at different physical locations to help the ping of their players and set up contracts with different ISPs to try to get the fastest routes possible to and from their servers. I am not going to pretend that I am any kind of expert on the matter, but they do have a few articles on Riot Games Engineering.
https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-i https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-ii https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/fixing-internet-real-time-applications-part-iii
Again, that applies only to US. AT&T has no service on Europe at all. I suggest you start understanding NA is not world or even Earth. It is tiny fraction of Earth. On those maps I do not see Sotuh Korea which is the best pro players at the moment.
Zezockary1 votesI understand that, I even said, "at least in the NA region", and "here". You were saying that the server relocation (that happened in NA) did not mean that they owned their own servers (which they may not in EU, but we weren't talking about EU). I was Providing evidence that they do indeed have their own private hardware that they use for their North American network infrastructure.
I don't know much about the network infrastructure in other countries, but since you brought up the country, I know that KR has one of the better networks in the world, partially due to the size of their country. Riot likely doesn't have to go so far to help the korean players due to the country already having a much more solid network than here and the routing not having to go as far.
Can we stop this conversation? It has gone completely off topic.
Nik Nikerson1 votesnetwork griefer community4chan network equivalent of Hell's Angel's
That actually made me laugh.
Kartagia1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FyElGnYk,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2017-06-14T06:06:34.475+0000)
That actually made me laugh.
Apparently you are not aware of the philosophy of Hell's Angels. it is the freedom to do whatever they want and desire without any concern how other feel. This is the reason why they are criminal, not other way around.
Nik Nikerson1 votesPlease don't talk to me about the philosophy of biker gangs. Just because you watched every episode of Sons of Anarchy doesn't mean you have some actual insight into that sort of thing.
And my point is that you are giving the weebs on 4chan way too much credit.
leaugesbane1 votesI mean Im not playing right now due to ''feeding''
But it does something actually
love how you got down votes.
NinjaGuy693 votesThe IFS can be slow to punish players at times and it isn't perfect but it's all we've got at the moment. There are a lot of toxic players out there and Riot gives people a lot of leeway so it can be difficult to manage. Also:
Three Eyed Rìven1 voteslol nah, im not an english speaker. so take it
Kuroi Akumu1 votesLul.
