Leveling bots / scripted players

miss stix·Jan 21, 2020·14 votes·13,608 views

Hello everybody, as we can see here

and in many others threads, leveling bots are a problem.

I just wanted to suggest you to add a captcha under the accept game button. The bots, then, will refuse too many games (they can't click on the truck picture or the cars pictures, and so on...) and leaver buster will put them in a "dodger timing queue" so we will not be harrassed anymore by feeders

las time i suggested a teambuilder mode, i was happy to see it online few months after, and i really hope it will be the same gift this time thanx a lot for took the time of this reading and sorry for my bad english

37 Comments

ModPeriscopeJan 21, 20204 votes

Captcha would be good, but I don't think there's anything that stops bots, mostly because people are still willing to pay for that product.

I've played online games since Final Fantasy XI. There's still measures to prevent cheating and botting, but they're still sites that sell gil for real money, and I'd imagine there are still bots in the game, although I hadn't kept up with it.

I know it's frustrating, but that's the reality- every time they set up a road block, there's more bot makers that figure a way around it (or at least, that's my opinion).

miss stixJan 21, 20201 votes

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Captcha would be good, but I don't think there's anything that stops bots, mostly because people are still willing to pay for that product.

excepted in cia or nasa, i don't think there is bots who can read well done captchas, and i dont think LoL botters will pay billions for a prototype to crack into LoL for sell 5 dolls accounts

ModPeriscopeJan 22, 20202 votes

I'm not an expert on cyber security, but it does seem like it's always a scaling problem, right? Riot develops one way to stop bots, bots figure out a new way over that hurdle.

I'm all for increased bot detection, but the root of the problem is that people buy them. Buying free accounts.

GatekeeperTDSJan 22, 20202 votes

Exactly.

Increased bot detection can't come at the expense of player experience on a mass scale. Verifications for every match (what is that...millions per day?) is a helluva way to piss off your players.

Urinetrouble07Jan 22, 20201 votes

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Captcha would be good, but I don't think there's anything that stops bots, mostly because people are still willing to pay for that product.

I've played online games since Final Fantasy XI. There's still measures to prevent cheating and botting, but they're still sites that sell gil for real money, and I'd imagine there are still bots in the game, although I hadn't kept up with it.

I know it's frustrating, but that's the reality- every time they set up a road block, there's more bot makers that figure a way around it (or at least, that's my opinion).

Acting like the people who buy these accounts are the entire problem is where rito has it wrong. The real problem is that rito isn't willing to have a team really work on a proper solution because A) it doesn't produce money B) They don't care because it pumps their numbers (even though its not legit) C) They don't care about the players or their opinions. There are things they could implement to if not stop them severely slow them down. Maybe they see it as a lost cause or maybe its not time efficient but what ever they call it, I call it laziness.

ModPeriscopeJan 22, 20202 votes

So I'm not a Rioter, but that's just my viewpoint: it's overly optimistic to find a solution that fully stops bots. It is multi-pronged and involves detecting and banning bots, but these cheating methods have been around since internet games have been around, namely because some players are foolhardy enough to try this (or lazy enough. Lazy's a better word. Or not inquisitive enough about shady websites).

They do have an anti-cheat team. The integrity of the game and those moving forward allows players to compete on fair grounds, which sounds like listening to players (C) and increasing players who'll continue playing (A and B). That's not to say that bots probably do help with PvE queue times (B).

But if they zapped bots immediately upon detection, then the bot makers would figure out what they're doing that's making the bot obvious, then change their code, making bots harder to detect.

GilxeNJan 22, 20201 votes

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Captcha would be good, but I don't think there's anything that stops bots, mostly because people are still willing to pay for that product.

I've played online games since Final Fantasy XI. There's still measures to prevent cheating and botting, but they're still sites that sell gil for real money, and I'd imagine there are still bots in the game, although I hadn't kept up with it.

I know it's frustrating, but that's the reality- every time they set up a road block, there's more bot makers that figure a way around it (or at least, that's my opinion).

Captcha?

What's next SMS text message?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

good captcha is enough to get ride of bots without asking for a phone number (riot french support already ask for a phone number in discord)

sms can be a good security for online shopping and is not relevant here i think

GilxeNJan 22, 20202 votes

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good captcha is enough to get ride of bots without asking for a phone number (riot french support already ask for a phone number in discord)

sms can be a good security for online shopping and is not relevant here i think

Nothing will stop botting, and captcha will just add frustration to legit players.

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

this is not really helpfull to find any solution. if the war come into our country, do we let everybody be killed, saying thing like "nothing will stop the wars" or do we defend, trying to imagine better strategy than ennemies ?

GilxeNJan 22, 20201 votes

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this is not really helpfull to find any solution. if the war come into our country, do we let everybody be killed, saying thing like "nothing will stop the wars" or do we defend, trying to imagine better strategy than ennemies ?

Worst comparison ever.

I won't even fall to your further misunderstanding.

GatekeeperTDSJan 21, 20204 votes

I just wanted to suggest you to add a captcha under the accept game button.

No. When I've already authenticated to log in, I'm sure as hell not going to prove I'm a human (and risk messing it up 3-4 times) to get into a game, making the whole queue and champ select process take even longer than it already does.

There are better solutions to this problem that don't make players click a bunch of fucking traffic lights and fire hydrants.

miss stixJan 21, 20201 votes

you dont need to autenticate anymore : you can remember the login in the new feature, bot have a normal login with no problem, so YES we need a captcha ! We wait 15s for an accepted match, enough time for click on some images, no ?

GatekeeperTDSJan 22, 20202 votes

No, because one thing you don't do if you're right is put more barriers in front of people playing games. That's a surefire way to piss people off and get them to stop playing your game.

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

"what is the color of the white horse" WHITE - RED - PINK you have 15s for click the good one (time we are already waiting each game doing nothing)

"i have one blue fish and 2 red fishes, how many fishes in total ?" BLUE - 2 - RED - 3 you have 15s for click the good one

for me, bots will say " error in line xxx process interrupted ping time out..." for you, players will say "omg too hard, i stop to play League of legend i dont really understand why these 15seconds will make more players to leave than the thousand of 30min games ruined

HercaZJan 22, 20201 votes

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No, because one thing you don't do if you're right is put more barriers in front of people playing games. That's a surefire way to piss people off and get them to stop playing your game.

If you dont have motivation to do captcha before the game, you shouldnt play the game lol.. I see that it would filter out the trashes in ranked pretty well ....

GatekeeperTDSJan 22, 20202 votes

This is to filter out bots, not "trashes."

HercaZJan 22, 20201 votes

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This is to filter out bots, not "trashes."

I understand, but if the person complains about captcha how can he be reasonably motivated to play the game? lol... If its too much for him to complete it, then maybe he wont play it, which is pretty good thing in my opinion...

shacokotJan 23, 20201 votes

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If you dont have motivation to do captcha before the game, you shouldnt play the game lol.. I see that it would filter out the trashes in ranked pretty well ....

youre a hard stuck silver for past couple of years thats now struggling (negative wr) in bronze elo, please dont refer to other players as "trashes" ;)

HercaZJan 23, 20201 votes

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youre a hard stuck silver for past couple of years thats now struggling (negative wr) in bronze elo, please dont refer to other players as "trashes" ;)

I am hard stuck silver because I dont play this game alone..

rastarogueJan 22, 20201 votes

I would probably stop playing. I generally am looking at other windows while waiting in queue, and from when I hear the noise of it coming up, to getting to the window and clicking it is stressful enough to try to do in the timeframe allotted. No way do I want to add a capcha to that process, I'd basically never make it into a match.

FeedKaylePleaseJan 22, 20201 votes

Captcha's are super fuckin annoying. I would definitely quit if solving a captcha was necessary to enter a lobby. I'd much rather the levelling bots stay.

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

ok finally i understand why riot do nothing, if players prefer waste so longs ruined games than make 1 or 2 clicks during a match window.

(It took 10min for a game to start, and we just click for a pick, and 3 letters for announce position. The rest of the time is just a wait. we have time to answer some questions)

if players prefer LoL to be ruined by bots than change a routine, the only way I see for solve the problem, and i think with many others harrassed persons, is to find another game to play with

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

but we can have the choice, summoner rift With captcha, and summoner rift WITHOUT. We will see the one player prefer xd (the second will be invaded by bots only)

AeroWaffleJan 22, 20201 votes

Besides the neural net programs that Computer Science people write for fun (or for homework) to solve captchas, there are quite literally services people sell to solve captchas. A quick google can bring up results. The first result I found charge a little under a $1 for 1000 captcha solves (and promise an answer in under 20 seconds on average for normal captchas).

That might add a little overhead to people selling bot accounts but not much. What it would also do is add another annoyance for real players.

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

im not talking about text captchas here, who are really easy to solve. a good captcha for me is a picture with 2 fishes and 3 cows and the question would be "how many animals" elaborated IA is needed for solve this sort of problem

like a simple question "i have one blue fish and 2 red fishes, how many fishes in total ?" BLUE - 2 - RED - 3

(tell me if im wrong) and the collective imagination for create these sort of captcha can put down every bruteforce/memorization (and we have only one chance to solve the captcha by game)

at least enough for make the botters to give up

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

i'm actually reading about the captcha history one thing i didn't knew, some hackers can resolve complex captcha using thousands humans for resolve them, using free porn websites... -_- i wasn't wrong, some captchas can't be robotised, but we can robotize humanity for solve it for us, i'm so sad for this world

miss stixJan 22, 20201 votes

i was sad to discover this, but now i'm imagining an algorythm, like 20 lines of code let's take 1000 differents images iconified deformed and so on... if the captcha question is about, let's imagine, 3 clicks in a serie of 10 of them each times i'm bad in maths buts isn't it 1000^3 = 1 000 000 000 différents résults to collect in the porn websites ? so... doesn't this means that we got more time that we need for program another algorythm ? if a good dev comes here...

Flawless FetusJan 22, 20201 votes

Bots will get around captchas some way or another.
Having a captcha pop up in client in order to accept the match sounds like a terrible idea.

HercaZJan 22, 20201 votes

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Bots will get around captchas some way or another.

Having a captcha pop up in client in order to accept the match sounds like a terrible idea.

"Answer the question: what is the second ABC letter?" make 10 different questions or so, auto replace words in them each time they show up.. go teach that to bots...

ThubanFeb 10, 20201 votes

Captchas are easily avoided lol. They are effectively useless & only exist to piss legitimate users off.

Smiling FrogFeb 19, 20201 votes

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ModPeriscopeFeb 25, 20201 votes

I have removed your content, as spamming the boards is prohibited in the Universal Rules. Particularly, make sure you look at the date of posts before commenting on them.

Smiling FrogFeb 25, 20201 votes

??? wym spam. I said the last times I saw a bot was 3 years ago and last times someone scripted was me.

ModPeriscopeFeb 25, 20201 votes

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??? wym spam. I said the last times I saw a bot was 3 years ago and last times someone scripted was me.

I mean necroing, but you know? Forget it. This thread wasn't that old.

Smiling FrogFeb 25, 20201 votes

i have no idea what necroing mean , necro is dead corpse.

ModPeriscopeFeb 25, 20201 votes

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i have no idea what necroing mean , necro is dead corpse.

For the purpose of the boards, going into an extremely old thread and commenting in it. Doing so brings a discussion that has long since been dropped to the "Recent" page.