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Perma bans?

Rank 1 Lee Sin··3 votes·1,765 views

So i recently got back from a 14-day ban. I play one game of ranked i get 0-10, 1-5 mid 0-4 sup and a 1-6 urgot adc in plat elo, I want your oppinion on if the ban was neccacary or not and any help for reforming! Game 1 Rank 1 Lee Sin: top jg is duo Rank 1 Lee Sin: on their team Rank 1 Lee Sin: first game in high Rank 1 Lee Sin: wtf ryze Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: why did u not go toop Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: wtf Rank 1 Lee Sin: please path top Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: i put omw Rank 1 Lee Sin: that icolates me omw Rank 1 Lee Sin: not u Rank 1 Lee Sin: didnt she base Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: why not wait for me Rank 1 Lee Sin: . Rank 1 Lee Sin: i got her blue Rank 1 Lee Sin: no smite Rank 1 Lee Sin: ? Rank 1 Lee Sin: this mid Rank 1 Lee Sin: gg Rank 1 Lee Sin: gg wp Rank 1 Lee Sin: u let vi go first off Rank 1 Lee Sin: second off why were we 2v6 Rank 1 Lee Sin: 2v5 Rank 1 Lee Sin: 5 man hec ult shouldnt be a loss Rank 1 Lee Sin: VI TOP Rank 1 Lee Sin: 1v4 Rank 1 Lee Sin: RYZE R Rank 1 Lee Sin: we need to focus one with malz r on him Rank 1 Lee Sin: what am i saying u guys lost to hard Rank 1 Lee Sin: gg Rank 1 Lee Sin: no point Rank 1 Lee Sin: sick champ Rank 1 Lee Sin: 0 skill can 1v2 Rank 1 Lee Sin: why waste flash Rank 1 Lee Sin: u wernt 1v3ing Rank 1 Lee Sin: urgot adc lost us game Rank 1 Lee Sin: tbh Rank 1 Lee Sin: 1-4 Rank 1 Lee Sin: useless champ Rank 1 Lee Sin: ././ Rank 1 Lee Sin: big wiff? Rank 1 Lee Sin: i wasent dieing Rank 1 Lee Sin: ppl like u? Rank 1 Lee Sin: 9x urgot toxic im muting him Rank 1 Lee Sin: neagative facts are reportable Rank 1 Lee Sin: gg

45 Comments

Dynikus3 votes

How much you spent on your accounts is irrelevant. You didn't pay for ban protection, you paid for in game fluff, which you got. If you spent $1200 on your first account, and $800 on this one, you would think you would have been a little more careful, and learned after your first several punishments to stop being negative.

You do not make a feature to disable chat out of game so i cannot be toxic. You do not block swear words from chat so there is no way to be toxic

Why is it Riot's job to control what you do? You can't blame them for your actions, that's absolutely ridiculous. Take responsibility and have some self control. Like if you literally can't go one game without some amount of flaming your team right after you get off a 2 week suspension, that's on you.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

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Dynikus2 votes

how is that worth 800$

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How much you spent on your accounts is irrelevant. You didn't pay for ban protection, you paid for in game fluff, which you got.

You could have spent $10000 and you would have gotten the same punishment. Yes, it's an online video game. One that you chose to play, one that you chose to pay for, and one that you agreed to the terms of use for every single time the game has been patched. You broke the terms of use, and were punished for it.

On their own, no, this isn't that bad. You were passive aggressive or just generally negative the whole game, but you weren't that toxic. The problem is that this was your first game after a 14 day suspension, and you were still negative, which just shows that you didn't reform.

Crawford8812 votes

This is extremely mild. I am kind of disturbed that people are getting banned for calling people useless. It's one thing to punish people, racism, homophobic slurs and telling others to kill themselves, but a little bit of griping over someone playing poorly shouldn't be a violation.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

it wasent even him i was calling useless it was the champ. Like i understand negativity and toxic isnt good. But when i have people swearing and spamming f words in chat thats what should be toxic. But ryze and urgot were flaming me and i answered back which was my bad i should have muted

Bettnachleger2 votes

It was his FIRST fucking game after a 14 day suspension ... Seriously ... Do you think he would change his behavior?

Edit: But true, I wouldn't punish him for that.

Crawford8812 votes

I just don't think calling someone useless or saying "wtf" is something that should be a violation at all.

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

Uh rofl xdAmumu

ModPrandine3 votes

Here's the thing: when you receive a 14-day ban it means that you're on thin ice. Anything that's punishable will result in a permaban since that's the next step up from a 2-week ban.

As for your chat log, some passive-aggressiveness and negativity here and there but not punishable on its own. You should have received 1-2 other games in your Reform Card so post them here if you're looking for an accurate review of your case. If this is the only game then feel free to file a Support Ticket to contest your ban.

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

Yes i agree thanks for the input :)

Magical Player3 votes

Open a support ticket, or go find a rioter to post on here. Pretty much you were already black listed, and then you said something is what it looks like

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

yeah pretty much, thank you for the comment and help!

xXLeeGodXx3 votes

why did he get perma banned for calling someone useless.. if that's the case then why aren't 50% of the people I play with perma banned?

Aonraider3 votes

ive seenpeople way more toxic and not gtting banned... hope riot fixes this :/

TheLittlestLulu3 votes

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You do not block swear words from chat so there is no way to be toxic

People who think you can only be toxic if you swear are always the fastest ones to get permabanned.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

i didnt mean it like that, i ment like, they could block swear words out of chat and other things so that the toxicity from that is gone, i was swearing i was negative, I understand that.

Locallylocal1 votes

He is actually a very nice guy and he didn't mean any offense people have bad games which make others sad and he didn't call anybody trash so he shouldn't be permabanned

This Is Your Dad2 votes

That was only 1 game? You sure there weren't three? That and 9x report urgot is technically calling for reports, which is harassment but... it's a bit soft. You were just on their list, so they probably figured after a two week ban if you were still chatting that much negativity you'd get in trouble eventually. Usually the more you type in chat the higher the ban chance. Like, if you typed 5 negative things all game that were like that, it'd be fine, it's when you stack it all on there I think that they decide you were going to get a ban.

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

First game back only one chat log was givin to me from the one game! Thanks for the imput! The urgot was flaming and throwing harsh comments at me and thats why i said to 9x him

This Is Your Dad2 votes

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First game back only one chat log was givin to me from the one game! Thanks for the imput! The urgot was flaming and throwing harsh comments at me and thats why i said to 9x him

I know, but it was basically the fact that you were on probation, that's probably all there is to it.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Yeah i guesse thanks for the support

I Snipe I2 votes

That should not have triggered a permanent ban, IDC how many times you've been punished. Riot needs to unban immediately.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Are the automatic bans? thanks for the support!

Diviciacus2 votes

I played with your alternate, you pulled the team together and made it worth playing to the end. instead of losing, which we were on the fast track to do, you rallied everyone together. That's the kind of player I honor, and I don't believe that the permanent ban was warranted.

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

thank you, i learned to mute the griefer GG was an honor! your pretty good sup for silver also btw

TheMrSweetPotato2 votes

That was way to harsh and unfair, there is no reason to perma ban you and they should lift the ban off. Especially since youre higher elo, I'm sure you have learned your lesson.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

yeah last game on smurf i just muted my teamate and it worked good, i just gotta learn to mute all when i get somewhat tilted thats what i have been practicing on smurf.

Sona Ping1 votes

I'll explain:

There are things like Policies and Terms of Use. They are agreements that you make with the parties involved that set out how you can interact with them. They are very common. There are things like Store Policies where if you violate them, you may be denied service from the business. If you cause a bother or harass or argue with other patrons, you may be asked to leave

You had an agreement like this. League of Legends has a chat feature that is meant to be used to coordinate play with teammate and persistently choosing to use it to pick arguments is an abuse of the system and violates your agreement.
You have gone through 3 warnings which means you have been given many games as second chances where Riot overlooked your violations of your agreement.

You say you are working on making it less toxic and better for toxic, When i spend 2000$ over 2 accounts just to be banned.

You may be a frequent patron, but you keep bothering other customers. You did not listen to warnings from the staff of the establishment so it has been escalated.

Rank 1 Lee Sin2 votes

I agree and understand, thanks for the comment!

Rivèñ1 votes

I think this is ridiculous riot moderation and this man should truly receive forgiveness. He obviously cares a lot about the game and is willing to change his attitude, thus he will no longer be toxic. Riot should absolutely forgive something as small as this.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Thanks yeah like i tried to be peacefull this game , im learned to police swearing but my urgot this game was tilting me and flaming me. Now i just mute them tho and ive been playing better and more happy headed thanks alot tho!

Me n 4 n00bs1 votes

Let's face it, if we play at least 3 matches a day, we will for sure find trolls in game that will trigger all those buttons on us, human beings. Now spending much more time can be hard sometimes as well. Who never flamed? From "dude, stop" to "you %$ idiot"? Everyone does! But if you are unlucky to fall in a premade team, made of people who are just there to troll, chances are you will be reported even if what you said isn't really that offensive. I do think this guy have learned his lesson so, in my opinion, he should have a second chance and be unbanned.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Thanks man, i have learned thanks for the wishes, my urgot that game was flaming me and i was answering back to it which was my fualt. I learned that. Thank you again! :)

Rivèñ1 votes

Like, this legit drives me insane. He is purely trying to win the game and is being punished for it. Since when was being the shot caller a ban-able role. Everything he says is positive. Whether he is saying "good game" or asking why someone on his team chose a specific course of actions he is only looking for solutions to win the game. Even if he was reported 9x that doesn't mean he deserves a ban, he did nothing wrong for fuck sake. There needs to be a punishment for false reports, as it is not fair to waste people's time and energy just because a pre-made team or biased players report an individual for innocent behavior. It's as if the riot employee that banned him didn't even read the chat log just proceeded to banning him as he was an account that was "on ice" and received a report.

Neeeeeeelson1 votes

This was toxic, however i think he shouldnt be PERMA banned. Ablittle harsh in my opinion. Maybe make a system like he said about making him not toxic like a perma mute on him. This wasnt very toxic in my opinion, but then again im silver so i dont know what "toxic" is in hgiher elo... Riot should unban him but put a mute or something

ModPrandine1 votes

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This was toxic, however i think he shouldnt be PERMA banned. Ablittle harsh in my opinion. Maybe make a system like he said about making him not toxic like a perma mute on him. This wasnt very toxic in my opinion, but then again im silver so i dont know what "toxic" is in hgiher elo... Riot should unban him but put a mute or something

  1. The question isn't "is this permban worthy?" but "is this punishment worthy?" instead.
  2. Riot tried permamutes in the form of ever-increasing chat restrictions. That didn't work as not only were people less likely to reform but also they would just switch to gameplay trolling instead to vent their frustrations.
Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

i wish they did that, I'm done for anything to get my account back. Its been a couple of weeks and i havent been toxic so im not really worried about another ban but starting over is hard :/ thanks for the support!

Vizulix1 votes

Actually man you can disable chat. Unbind the enter key, it's an amazing feature especially in Bronze ranked games, you don't know how many times I was saved by this tip.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Wow is that really possible , im gona try that thanks alot man!

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

You were on extremely thin ice after your 14 day ban. At that point, any punishable behaviour will generally result in a perma-ban.

While the majority of the chat wasn't exactly horrible (though, IMO, still mildly negative and passive-aggressive), you were likely punished for the following line (though others contributed):

Rank 1 Lee Sin: 9x urgot toxic im muting him

Soliciting reports or attempting to use the threat of reports to coerce other players are both punishable offenses.

The number of reports a player receives in a game makes no difference. As such, there is no benefit for getting other players to report someone and it is considered a form of harassment.

A single report is sufficient to flag the game to be reviewed for punishable behaviour by the system.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

The reason i said report urgot is bc he was griefing me and flaming me all game and i had enough of it so i told them to report and i muted him. He flamed me and i answered back it was my fualt i should have muted 5 mins in that game:/ Thanks for the comment

Karhtel1 votes

See this is why it is just best to just not say anything in chat. If youre frustrated typing in chat is a bad idea. Im not saying you deserve to be banned or anything from what was said but if you are frustrated and type it is only gonna make the game worse for everyone. You just gotta hold in those frustrations cuz even if it isnt toxic it just may come off that way to other people.

Rank 1 Lee Sin1 votes

Ok, thank you for the help , means alot!

SkullGabz1 votes

i dont get why he is banned. he was provoked heavily by people who r toxic. rank 1 lee sin shouldnt be the one banned. the people who provoke negative situations should be perma banned. now if the people who provoked rank 1 lee sin. they may continue to provoke other people trying to get them perma banned too. Riot. use ur head unban rank 1 lee sin and ban the people who provoked the situation

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