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i got banned for refusing to play an aram game that had some say "all n-words should hang".

damie44··1 votes·1,632 views

So i just got given a two week suspension for refusing to play with someone that said "all n-words should hang". okay essentially in this aram game jayce was afk for a while and poppy his premade explained that the guy dropped juice on his keyboard which is fine. i think after he dealt with his juice problem the first thing he said was all n-words should die. and thats when i told him to fuck off. like what the fuck who the hell says shit like that. anyways cassiopeia murdered our team and got a quadra, i was the only one alive so i typed in all chat "come for penta" because thats what people do right? anyways i cant remember who but someone took it from cassiopeia and and typed in all chat "lmao". at this point i really didnt want to play with that ass so i said "ff at 15" and then bard i think got angry and i refused to play with people who says shit like that. and honestly i dont think i deserve a two week suspension for refusing to play with someone that said i was autistic and that i should fucking hang. anyways the guy that said this shit is still playing as if nothing happened whereas i am here with a two suspension. so what i want to know is am i banned for the language i used or refusing to play with this? the following is the transcript riot provided. Game 1 damie44: fuck off damie44: coime for penta damie44: lmao damie44: ff at 15 damie44: #i dont play with people who say shit like that damie44: if u like i dont play with assholes who say "all %%%%%%s should hang" fuck that damie44: yeah u dont need a %%%%%% damie44: dont even know what autism is do you? damie44: go hang some black people asshole damie44: well done bitch boy damie44: wp.

furthermore, i wrote a ticket to riots support team and this is their reply.

Hello there,

I feel really sorry to hear about your experience, we can assure that strict punishments are linked to such language. We have a zero tolerance policy against toxicity, racism, homophobia or hate speech.

However, retaliation is not a suitable form of response in our game. Please keep in mind that the IFS judges each player's behavior individually. You are firstly responsible for your own actions. even if other players are toxic this does not give us a free pass to be toxic in return.

Unfortunately, we will not be lifting the suspension, I do have some tips that will help in the future:

If the games become too heated you can take a break anytime between matches to clear your mind. In case the other players are negative or toxic do not start to fight fire with fire, it only burns the whole forest down. Ignore and mute those players who create a negative environment and focus on your own gameplay. You can't control others, you can only control yourself. Everyone has bad days, I had some bad days which as a result made me have some bad games. Unfortunately it's not fair towards others to vent frustrations on them. I wouldn't like to be treated this way by others and I doubt you would either. So my advise is to vent anger in a way which does not affect other players and gameplay. Let me know if you have any other questions.

UltraMagna, Player Support Specialist, "So much bloodshed... This is my kind of place!"

okay.... they state they have a zero tolerance policy but nothing i said was against anyone except perhaps "go hang some black people asshole" but since when was that an insult to someone who has said racist shit. riot say they have a zero tolerance policy but the guy that fucking said all this shit is still playing like what? honestly i think i would be fine receiving this punishment but the person who actually said this shit hurt to people is playing scot free. i have never been banned before or chat restricted and i am not toxic. anyways i want to understand why i was banned but not the other guy.

45 Comments

Sarutobi5 votes

Its the fact you repeated it. Why? what use does it do? If you wanted to explain to the enemy team there are better ways to do that. But that doesnt matter as only one report is needed to get someones account reviewed. So again i ask what was the point in repeating the sentence? Then the one right under it:

damie44: yeah u dont need a %%%%%%

What exactly is that word suppose to be?

It doesnt help that you said this as well:

damie44: go hang some black people asshole damie44: well done bitch boy

damie441 votes

to show everyone why i am refusing to play the game. and i don't belive that, i don't report people because i have experienced people that say anti-semitic stuff which i have reported just play the next game and the game after. Also he was the racist one so i was using the language he wpuld understand.

kaleb bartlett3 votes

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to show everyone why i am refusing to play the game. and i don't belive that, i don't report people because i have experienced people that say anti-semitic stuff which i have reported just play the next game and the game after. Also he was the racist one so i was using the language he wpuld understand.

How do you know they don't get banned? Maybe your report didn't send them, but that doesn't mean they DON'T get punished... I mean, who gets punished for saying racist.... oh wait... you DID get banned for saying racist crap. golfclap

damie441 votes

because i looked up their op.gg and they're playing? anyways like i said i am fine with the ban because i know what i did but the person that i started all this shit is playing like nothing happened. like i deal with this shit in real life and now i have deal with this shit in my escape.

kaleb bartlett2 votes

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because i looked up their op.gg and they're playing? anyways like i said i am fine with the ban because i know what i did but the person that i started all this shit is playing like nothing happened. like i deal with this shit in real life and now i have deal with this shit in my escape.

You didn't answer that second part... Did YOU report him after?

Sarutobi2 votes

So you were breaking the rules as well?

Also you arent helping the problem when you arent helping report people. Like seriously. You just said you dont want to play with people like this, but dont report them despite them breaking the rules? Remember that you arent always going to get the notification when someone is ban. just because you dont get a notification doesnt mean the system isnt working. Also its usually common sense when you have a bad game like that to wait a cool down a bit. If you jump into the next game more often than not youll end up with those same people.

damie441 votes

because all the people that do say shit like this, nothing ever seems to happen.

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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because all the people that do say shit like this, nothing ever seems to happen.

except... it DID happen didn't it?

damie441 votes

yeah it happened to the one angry about it and said something in retaliation while the offender is sitting back smoking a cigar in his lean chair. like everyone is saying report and move on but i have reported some disgusting people on this game and i thought a notification comes up telling you that the offender has been punished. has riot removed that?

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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yeah it happened to the one angry about it and said something in retaliation while the offender is sitting back smoking a cigar in his lean chair. like everyone is saying report and move on but i have reported some disgusting people on this game and i thought a notification comes up telling you that the offender has been punished. has riot removed that?

No, that only popped up if your report was the one that caused the review. Honestly they never should have put that in, as it causes people to think their reports don't matter when they don't get the popup.

damie441 votes

yeah its really fucking disheartening when you report someone that defo deserves a chat ban or suspension is playing like nothing happened as if they didn't fucking hurt someone on the opposite screen. but whatever.

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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yeah its really fucking disheartening when you report someone that defo deserves a chat ban or suspension is playing like nothing happened as if they didn't fucking hurt someone on the opposite screen. but whatever.

Did You Report Him After?

Yes Or No?

damie441 votes

honestly i don't remember, but i think i did or i was hit with the instaban i can't remember. but i reiterate, i don't usually report people unless its is proper bad and personal to me. so sorry i can't tell you that with a 100% accuracy

kaleb bartlett2 votes

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honestly i don't remember, but i think i did or i was hit with the instaban i can't remember. but i reiterate, i don't usually report people unless its is proper bad and personal to me. so sorry i can't tell you that with a 100% accuracy

Then if he's still around and you didn't report then you have NO right to complain that he's still playing, because you had the chance to do something. And you wouldn't have been banned if you hadn't hit that enter key.

damie441 votes

oh okay. so that means i must have been reported. And It wasn't the bot that instabanned me? because i thought if you say words like that it flags you and slams the ban on you. but i guess that is wrong. yup its all my fault i guess i should have just played next game. and the guy that said all this shit is innocent and should continue playing. thank you i have learned a lot, i report assholes they get away scot free but i defend my race, i suddenly change from the victim receiving abuse to the offender. i guess i should also apologize to jayce and my team. i have no right to complain because i don't report people like him? thats interesting after i have reported people repeatedly for stupid shit but i never ever have i received a message so i don't waste my time on a function that in my experience doesn't work in all cases.

kaleb bartlett3 votes

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oh okay. so that means i must have been reported. And It wasn't the bot that instabanned me? because i thought if you say words like that it flags you and slams the ban on you. but i guess that is wrong. yup its all my fault i guess i should have just played next game. and the guy that said all this shit is innocent and should continue playing. thank you i have learned a lot, i report assholes they get away scot free but i defend my race, i suddenly change from the victim receiving abuse to the offender. i guess i should also apologize to jayce and my team. i have no right to complain because i don't report people like him? thats interesting after i have reported people repeatedly for stupid shit but i never ever have i received a message so i don't waste my time on a function that in my experience doesn't work in all cases.

You should have NOT typed ANYTHING in chat. You should have Kept your mouth shut and reported the scum bag after. Do NOT play this pitty me BS when it was YOU that put YOURSELF into this crap. It was your own inability to not keep your finger off that enter key to flame your team and repeat the crap that the scum said.

You DID flame your team You DID intentionally feed the enemy team by your own chat log YOU provided. You DID repeat obvious racist crap

You don't have the right to complain about him because it could have been YOUR report that sent him to HIS ban.

You don't get a notification unless it was YOUR report that sent the people to be disciplined. Just because YOU don't see anything happening doesn't mean there isn't anything happening. Obviously the system is working because it hit on the racist crap YOU repeated.

damie441 votes

kk.

Kei1432 votes

the bot only activates when there is a report.

No report = no bot to check for toxicity = no ban

nerak231 votes

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Its the fact you repeated it. Why? what use does it do? If you wanted to explain to the enemy team there are better ways to do that. But that doesnt matter as only one report is needed to get someones account reviewed. So again i ask what was the point in repeating the sentence? Then the one right under it:

damie44: yeah u dont need a %%%%%%

What exactly is that word suppose to be?

It doesnt help that you said this as well:

damie44: go hang some black people asshole damie44: well done bitch boy

Just to add to this since this post hits the majors points.

Players don't want to play with one person saying things like that. When you retaliate with hate speech now their are 2 players we have to read the saying racists things.

Repeating it or using it is Not acceptable, it Never stops the first person, it's not going to make anyone play better.

Yes it's shitty you had to deal with it to begin with and I'm truly sorry you did. Just report and move on, if you had they would be the only one punished right now.

damie441 votes

wait how did i hate speech? his the one that said "all n-words should hang" and then i said "go hang some balck people asshole". thats hate speech i am not promoting nor did i atacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender.

kaleb bartlett2 votes

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wait how did i hate speech? his the one that said "all n-words should hang" and then i said "go hang some balck people asshole". thats hate speech i am not promoting nor did i atacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender.

from your original post:

damie44: fuck off damie44: coime for penta damie44: lmao damie44: ff at 15 damie44: #i dont play with people who say shit like that damie44: if u like i dont play with assholes who say "all %%%%%%s should hang" fuck that damie44: yeah u dont need a %%%%%% damie44: dont even know what autism is do you? damie44: go hang some black people asshole damie44: well done bitch boy damie44: wp.

If that's what you said then yes, you did indeed repeat what the guy said, which was hate speech.

kaleb bartlett4 votes

Intentionally feeding repeating the racist comments flaming your team yourself

Dude... all you had to do was play out the game and report them after. That's it, that's all you had to do and you wouldn't have gotten banned, but you just HAD to hit enter and flame yourself. What part of 'zero tolerance' did you NOT get?

damie441 votes

zero tolerance but the guy thats saying this shit is still playing games like nothing happened. or maybe i dont understand zero tolerance would you define it for me?

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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zero tolerance but the guy thats saying this shit is still playing games like nothing happened. or maybe i dont understand zero tolerance would you define it for me?

How do you KNOW he is still playing? answer that.

Also did you report him after? if not then you aren't helping anything.

nerak232 votes

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zero tolerance but the guy thats saying this shit is still playing games like nothing happened. or maybe i dont understand zero tolerance would you define it for me?

You just said you don't report. It needs to be reported to punish. Sorry, but all in all I wouldn't have wanted to play in that game either. But I would have reported you both.

Jo0o3 votes

Nine other players are counting on your participation. If one of those players is a cancer-memeing edgelord that thinks he's hot shit when he trolls folks with fucked up phrases, then that guy certainly deserves a report and likely a ban. But when you counter-troll him, you're escalating the situation and actively ruining the game for up to 8 innocent players.

damie441 votes

yup, and i have been punished for it which is fine. i wont be playing this game anymore, the ban system works as it has removed a toxic player from the community.

Jo0o1 votes

Okay, cool!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

fatherdarius1 votes

System functioning as intended.

It's almost as if that's what they pay programmers for. shrug

[poppy-wink]

Friendly Ram2 votes

If you use any words like kys or %%%%%%s the automatic system bans you. Hope this gets more visibility.

Has No Team1 votes

How much you wan to bet Riot unbans this guy xD

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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How much you wan to bet Riot unbans this guy xD

Even if we did put aside the racist crap, he did deserve a punishment. The flaming and verbal abuse of the team wasn't called for. Retaliating at toxicity with toxicity only makes more toxicity.

Mus1 votes

[{quoted}](name=kaleb bartlett,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FJmys68A,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-19T12:19:49.159+0000)

Even if we did put aside the racist crap, he did deserve a punishment. The flaming and verbal abuse of the team wasn't called for. Retaliating at toxicity with toxicity only makes more toxicity.

If you can't mute all and are just as toxic. You deserve punishment. End of story. There was no baitbanning involved.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

If all he did was quote the guy, maybe they would down to a chat restrict. But since he added his own bit, no.

damie441 votes

Man, i guess i should thank everyone for their input and the riot support worker clarified that i was banned for responding to toxicity in the same manner. thankful that the riot actually responded. Now i know being toxic is not an offense but responding to toxicity in the same manner is bannable offense. Now i understand. now i know standing/ defending yourself to a abuse online in a game is not the right behavior. i guess i should i have apologized to him and done the thing he wanted me to. anyways league has been fun while it lasted. thank you to everyone that responded online. THE BIGGEST LESSON HERE IS THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS REPORT THOSE THAT ABUSE YOU ONLINE, BECAUSE IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REVIEWED BUT AT LEAST IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.

kaleb bartlett5 votes

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Man, i guess i should thank everyone for their input and the riot support worker clarified that i was banned for responding to toxicity in the same manner. thankful that the riot actually responded. Now i know being toxic is not an offense but responding to toxicity in the same manner is bannable offense. Now i understand. now i know standing/ defending yourself to a abuse online in a game is not the right behavior. i guess i should i have apologized to him and done the thing he wanted me to. anyways league has been fun while it lasted. thank you to everyone that responded online. THE BIGGEST LESSON HERE IS THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS REPORT THOSE THAT ABUSE YOU ONLINE, BECAUSE IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REVIEWED BUT AT LEAST IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.

Oh no, i was a jackass to my team when they were being a jackass to me, but I shoudn't be punished for being a jackass because (insert baby crying) "they started it"

damie441 votes

hahaha kk. whos being the jackass now.

kaleb bartlett4 votes

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hahaha kk. whos being the jackass now.

I'm not in a game of league

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I mean they were rude and biting with their wit... but they have a point, you are sarcastically implying that you are in no way at fault while also making subtle references suggesting that everybody who has responded to you is an idiot or a snowflake somehow.

Denying responsibility on the boards for a punishment that is so clear cut has historically never helped anybody. You act like this then you are just going to anger the people who could have otherwise helped you.

I've seen cases like this before, and it's somewhat possible to get the punishment lifted, but not when you piss everybody off and pick a fight with every person who comments anything that doesn't 100% agree with you.

Kei1431 votes

You really aren't defending yourself when you are using such speech to attack as well.

damie441 votes

as i have told Jo0o, i have been punished and now i understand everyones opinion. and now a toxic player has been removed from this game.

Jorencice1 votes

You planning on dieing in 2 weeks?

Cuz its just a 2 week ban... no need to quit. Especially when you admit you WERE toxic.

ModPeriscope1 votes

They take hate speech pretty seriously, which is both why they're so strict and why they will not lift this punishment.

You didn't just repeat his slur, you took it a step further and started flaming him. You could have tyou'd "that's unacceptable," muted, and moved on with your game. As I'm sure you saw, flaming someone who's racist didn't immediately make them not racist, or even change them in the slightest.

TheProfezzor1 votes

I will never get people (like yourself) who feel the need to validate extremely dumb people who say stuff like your teammate did. Like...put them on ignore. What exactly will your reply do? Make them change their mind, grow up, not be dumb? None of that. In said you give the autoban system a chance of picking up the words you used in chat...thus you got banned. It's your fault man. Be less dumb.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

  1. Riot has a zero tolerance policy for any racist stuff. Technically you repeated what the person said, by putting it in quotes. Not necessarily being toxic yourself, but this has been known to trigger the system in the past because you are repeating zero-tolerance language. In addition to that, you did say some other stuff of your own volition after you had already responded to them for saying it. You telling somebody to "go hang some <people of a particular race>" would be considered racist. In the end, it doesn't really matter if it was done in response to the person saying something like that. They will punish you the same as that other player. The tldr of this is that you were punished for using racist language, not for refusing to play with the person.

  2. How can you be certain the other player was not punished? Are you saying you didn't get an IFS popup about them being banned after you reported them?

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