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2-week suspensions: state of account afterward

S rank Ninja··2 votes·1,846 views

Hey,

Today I got banned for 2 weeks for feeding; not going to deny it, it was justified and I'm looking to change myself in light of perspective coming back in December.

I'm wondering what happens to my account's state once the suspension is lifted though? Specifically, this has me worried: "For players getting 14-day or permanent bans, we're no longer confident they are willing to improve their behaviors even if they are shown explicit, direct feedback. So, we'd prefer these players take their time elsewhere."

Does this mean my account will always be on the verge of getting banned if I'm the slightest toxic? I remember when I first got warnings of my toxicity and that after some time, I would receive messages after games congratulating me for improving my behavior. Now because Riot thinks I am no longer willing to improve my behavior, I won't be getting any feedback and will just be banned immediately after a bad behavioral showing. Is this correct?

So theoretically I can be a positive individual for the next 3000 matches but if I fuck up once, my acc's temporarily or permanently banned? I'm really looking to change myself for the better and revert my account to it's base state (the state where Riot doesn't percieve you to be toxic) but that doesn't seem possible given the quote above :(

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Deep Terror Nami3 votes

People are punished when having a high percentage of games reported. If you keep playing and don't get reported, the percentage will drop and you'll get farther from triggering a punishment. Basically, not playing for any amount of time won't help, but playing a lot without getting reported will.

It's been a while since I got this information so I really don't know where to find the source atm.

M1CH43L3 votes

[{quoted}](name=S rank Ninja,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FBVNvjBG,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-16T09:46:11.338+0000)

Hey,

Today I got banned for 2 weeks for feeding; not going to deny it, it was justified and I'm looking to change myself in light of perspective coming back in December.

I'm wondering what happens to my account's state once the suspension is lifted though? Specifically, this has me worried: "For players getting 14-day or permanent bans, we're no longer confident they are willing to improve their behaviors even if they are shown explicit, direct feedback. So, we'd prefer these players take their time elsewhere."

Does this mean my account will always be on the verge of getting banned if I'm the slightest toxic? I remember when I first got warnings of my toxicity and that after some time, I would receive messages after games congratulating me for improving my behavior. Now because Riot thinks I am no longer willing to improve my behavior, I won't be getting any feedback and will just be banned immediately after a bad behavioral showing. Is this correct?

So theoretically I can be a positive individual for the next 3000 matches but if I fuck up once, my acc's temporarily or permanently banned? I'm really looking to change myself for the better and revert my account to it's base state (the state where Riot doesn't percieve you to be toxic) but that doesn't seem possible given the quote above :(

None of the other people who replied have any idea about what they're talking about. The truth is, you're screwed. I can already tell because if you're even worried that you might slip up again it means you're going to slip up again, likely more times than you'll even realize. Nowadays this toxic liberal community reports for the slightest offenses. Some people even report you for being too polite. With the addition of premades in ranked, it's going to get even worse.

As a rioter informed me, you could always have gotten a 14-day ban or a permaban for your actions in one game alone. There is no grace period and the amount of games in which you were good vs the amount in which you were bad is not taken into consideration. If everyone on your team reports you and there's any evidence whatsoever that you slipped up, no matter how small, you're going to get the hammer dropped on you. The automated system makes this all particularly unforgiving too. It doles out most punishments within 15 minutes of you getting reported.

So yes, your account is on the verge of being permabanned and always will be. What no one else realizes is that EVERY account is always on the verge of getting perma'd. If you haven't been following along to Riot's rhetoric then you might not see what their stance actually is right now, but here it is: "Riot is no longer interested in reforming players. They want all toxic players gone and only wish to keep those who are never toxic and who have never been toxic."

They've essentially scrapped their whole "reform" outlook, because they failed to make that work, and moved onto an elimination system out of frustration. If I were you I'd treat this game as the "free-to-play" model that it is so that you don't feel too cheated when they eventually take away your account.

OhBoyItsaMegaman4 votes

This entire post is inaccurate.

worm1 votes

Inaccurate? Surely you're trolling.

Linthe3 votes

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Some people even report you for being too polite. With the addition of premades in ranked, it's going to get even worse.

ahhahahahah.. NO. Doesn't happen. And even if by some miracle, it DID happen... not punishable.

The Rage Master2 votes

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ahhahahahah.. NO. Doesn't happen. And even if by some miracle, it DID happen... not punishable.

it does. I got reported once for saying I LOVE YOU 5 times in a row at lobbe cause last pick took yasuo when i had nami and top malphite. Yasuo reported me cause he said i m gay. welcome to the leugue of retards.

Linthe5 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Rage Master,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FBVNvjBG,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2015-11-16T17:39:50.133+0000)

it does. I got reported once for saying I LOVE YOU 5 times in a row at lobbe cause last pick took yasuo when i had nami and top malphite. Yasuo reported me cause he said i m gay. welcome to the leugue of retards.

Again... NOT punishable..

The Rage Master2 votes

{quoted}

Again... NOT punishable..

Again... i said it happens, not that i got punished for it.

My point is that this cry babe community reports someone for nothing, so a toxic player who is trying to reform will never be able to, at the eyes of riot, cause some easily-offended-baby will always press the Voldermort button.

And even if he just say nothing at a whole game, it is considered also unsportsmanslike. Anyway i made my point. Cyaa :*

[slayer-jinx-catface]

EDIT

this downvoting policy... So toxic indeed and you cant see it. Anyway

Believe me i consider it a compliment being downvoted here xD So be my guest :D

Linthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Rage Master,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FBVNvjBG,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-16T18:22:53.079+0000)

Again... i said it happens, not that i got punished for it.

My point is that this cry babe community reports someone for nothing, so a toxic player who is trying to reform will never be able to, at the eyes of riot, cause some easily-offended-baby will always press the Voldermort button.

And even if he just say nothing at a whole game, it is considered also unsportsmanslike. Anyway i made my point. Cyaa :*

[slayer-jinx-catface]

EDIT

this downvoting policy... So toxic indeed and you cant see it. Anyway

Believe me i consider it a compliment being downvoted here xD So be my guest :D

How would you propose to fix any of this?? Yes, people can report for anything.. and then their reports casrry less weight. Done automatically... people whine. Tribunal? People whine. human reports? People whine. See the common thread in all this??

M1CH43L1 votes

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How would you propose to fix any of this?? Yes, people can report for anything.. and then their reports casrry less weight. Done automatically... people whine. Tribunal? People whine. human reports? People whine. See the common thread in all this??

Yeah. Get rid of the whining people.

M1CH43L1 votes

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ahhahahahah.. NO. Doesn't happen. And even if by some miracle, it DID happen... not punishable.

Why do so many people get off on being wrong? There was just a forum thread where someone complained that he kept getting reported for saying positive things in chat. He ONLY said positive things and he KEPT GETTING REPORTED.

I actually don't know whether or not it's punishable. They added that new "passive-aggressive" feature. Someone could make the case that the player in question was being glib. I have no doubt that at some point someone will be punished for saying only positive things. Your futures are in the hands of a robot after all.

Linthe2 votes

{quoted}

Why do so many people get off on being wrong? There was just a forum thread where someone complained that he kept getting reported for saying positive things in chat. He ONLY said positive things and he KEPT GETTING REPORTED.

I actually don't know whether or not it's punishable. They added that new "passive-aggressive" feature. Someone could make the case that the player in question was being glib. I have no doubt that at some point someone will be punished for saying only positive things. Your futures are in the hands of a robot after all.

  1. People on these forums make stuff up ALL the time. I have seen dozens of these QQ Im banned/reported for nothing threads. If they were all to be believed, it would be an epidemic. And somehow... I don't get reported... And millions of other players dont either. Hmmmmmmm....

  2. Yes, people can report for anything/nothing. And their reports WILL be devalued.

The Rage Master2 votes

{quoted}

None of the other people who replied have any idea about what they're talking about. The truth is, you're screwed. I can already tell because if you're even worried that you might slip up again it means you're going to slip up again, likely more times than you'll even realize. Nowadays this toxic liberal community reports for the slightest offenses. Some people even report you for being too polite. With the addition of premades in ranked, it's going to get even worse.

As a rioter informed me, you could always have gotten a 14-day ban or a permaban for your actions in one game alone. There is no grace period and the amount of games in which you were good vs the amount in which you were bad is not taken into consideration. If everyone on your team reports you and there's any evidence whatsoever that you slipped up, no matter how small, you're going to get the hammer dropped on you. The automated system makes this all particularly unforgiving too. It doles out most punishments within 15 minutes of you getting reported.

So yes, your account is on the verge of being permabanned and always will be. What no one else realizes is that EVERY account is always on the verge of getting perma'd. If you haven't been following along to Riot's rhetoric then you might not see what their stance actually is right now, but here it is: "Riot is no longer interested in reforming players. They want all toxic players gone and only wish to keep those who are never toxic and who have never been toxic."

They've essentially scrapped their whole "reform" outlook, because they failed to make that work, and moved onto an elimination system out of frustration. If I were you I'd treat this game as the "free-to-play" model that it is so that you don't feel too cheated when they eventually take away your account.

I don't know why they downvoted you but you are 100% right. 100%.

M1CH43L1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Rage Master,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FBVNvjBG,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2015-11-16T17:38:45.295+0000)

I don't know why they downvoted you but you are 100% right. 100%.

I know I am. I didn't pull this stuff out of my ass like the rest of the posters did. The fact is if they just did a small amount of research on the behavior system and looked at what Rioters have actually stated, it's clear that I'm right. I don't even know why I'm being downvote since the majority of the community wants a system that does exactly what I just said it does.

Regardless, thanks for backing me up!

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

bunch of wrong stuff this guy likes to keep saying in hopes of spreading misinformation editted out

[BANE BREATHING INTENSIFIES]

M1CH43L1 votes

{quoted}

[BANE BREATHING INTENSIFIES]

Everything that I said was accurate. I'm sorry that you don't know anything, but keep on keepin' on.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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I believe everything that I said was accurate because I am a crazy paranoid delusional. I'm sorry that you don't know anything, but keep on keepin' on.

Fixed that for ya.

M1CH43L1 votes

{quoted}

Fixed that for ya.

No, it's accurate because it's the truth. Go e-mail Riot Games Support. Then you can come crawling back here and apologize.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

Then you can come crawling back here and apologize.

Oh sweet jesus, you are a funny one. It's like one of those crazy hobos on the street. Quick, quick, honey, come here and see the crazy rhetoric monkey do his little dance! No, don't touch him, you might catch something.

M1CH43L1 votes

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Oh sweet jesus, you are a funny one. It's like one of those crazy hobos on the street. Quick, quick, honey, come here and see the crazy rhetoric monkey do his little dance! No, don't touch him, you might catch something.

I realize you're just a troll, but I expected more out of you.

EvilDustMan3 votes

{quoted}

I realize you're just a troll, but I expected more out of you.

You don't deserve more out of me.

M1CH43L1 votes

{quoted}

You don't deserve more out of me.

I approve of this answer.

BlueThingamajig5 votes

{quoted}

No, it's accurate because it's the truth. Go e-mail Riot Games Support. Then you can come crawling back here and apologize.

I've been following Riot PB&J for the better part of 3 years

90% of what you said was blatant lies. You had two technically accurate statements, and both were painfully misleading. The first was "you can get reported for being polite" which is technically true, but it will never result in any punishment of any sort. The second was "punishment can come down 15 minutes after a game" which requires the system to detect the player in question being a complete ass and probably throwing several slurs around for good measure.

If I were politifact, I would give your spiel a couple "Mostly False", some "False", and a few "Pants on Fire" for good measure.

M1CH43L1 votes

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I've been following Riot PB&J for the better part of 3 years

90% of what you said was blatant lies. You had two technically accurate statements, and both were painfully misleading. The first was "you can get reported for being polite" which is technically true, but it will never result in any punishment of any sort. The second was "punishment can come down 15 minutes after a game" which requires the system to detect the player in question being a complete ass and probably throwing several slurs around for good measure.

If I were politifact, I would give your spiel a couple "Mostly False", some "False", and a few "Pants on Fire" for good measure.

What did I say that was false? You haven't dis-proven anything that I've said. In fact, all you did was back up things that I said.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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What did I say that was false? You haven't dis-proven anything that I've said. In fact, all you did was back up things that I said.

Judging entirely based on the implications of his post, I would say that - according to Blue, at least - the things you said which were false are:

Everything except "you can get reported for being polite" and "punishment can come down 15 minutes after a game."

Of course, I could be misinterpreting the part where he explicitly stated "You had to technically accurate statements..." and then went on to list them. But I don't think I am.

M1CH43L1 votes

{quoted}

Judging entirely based on the implications of his post, I would say that - according to Blue, at least - the things you said which were false are:

Everything except "you can get reported for being polite" and "punishment can come down 15 minutes after a game."

Of course, I could be misinterpreting the part where he explicitly stated "You had to technically accurate statements..." and then went on to list them. But I don't think I am.

All of my statements were accurate.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

All of my statements were accurate.

Don't tell me. I'm not here to debate with you about it, because frankly I value my time too much. I was simply explaining how your question ("what did I say that was false?") was answered in the very post you quoted.

Thus, all I presented was an interpretation of his statements - not a condemnation of yours.

So if you want to establish the truth of your statements, establish it with him.

M1CH43L1 votes

{quoted}

Don't tell me. I'm not here to debate with you about it, because frankly I value my time too much. I was simply explaining how your question ("what did I say that was false?") was answered in the very post you quoted.

Thus, all I presented was an interpretation of his statements - not a condemnation of yours.

So if you want to establish the truth of your statements, establish it with him.

That's odd. You claim to value your time but then...

Ah, nevermind.

Zielmann3 votes

What you've heard is correct. By the time a player reaches a 14-day ban, past data has shown that there's a very low rate of reform. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. Some players have managed to come back from this. And yes, the system is set up such that given enough time, the status of your account may still improve and you can be in the clear again. Fortunately, it's not actually that difficult to avoid bans in this game. Here's what you should do when you get your account back:

  1. Stop intentionally feeding. This is what you were punished for, so it should be your main point of focus.
  2. Related to the first point, play your best each game. Don't give up on the game. Sometimes things won't go so well, and you just have to let it go if they don't.
  3. Mute everybody at the start of each game. You can just put "/mute all" into the chat at the start of each game. This way, whatever other players say cannot get to you. And it removes the possibility of responding to negativity in such a way that you'd fall into their trap and wind up banned. Even if you've not had an issue with your behavior in chat, I'd still do this. Remember, we're being as cautious as possible here, so that you can keep your account.
  4. Along with 3, be sure to still be communicating with pings. You can provide sufficient communication in the game through pings. Most games I play, basically the only form of communication is pings. Barely anybody says anything relevant in chat anyhow.
AJStarhiker2 votes

{quoted}

What you've heard is correct. By the time a player reaches a 14-day ban, past data has shown that there's a very low rate of reform. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. Some players have managed to come back from this. And yes, the system is set up such that given enough time, the status of your account may still improve and you can be in the clear again. Fortunately, it's not actually that difficult to avoid bans in this game. Here's what you should do when you get your account back:

  1. Stop intentionally feeding. This is what you were punished for, so it should be your main point of focus.
  2. Related to the first point, play your best each game. Don't give up on the game. Sometimes things won't go so well, and you just have to let it go if they don't.
  3. Mute everybody at the start of each game. You can just put "/mute all" into the chat at the start of each game. This way, whatever other players say cannot get to you. And it removes the possibility of responding to negativity in such a way that you'd fall into their trap and wind up banned. Even if you've not had an issue with your behavior in chat, I'd still do this. Remember, we're being as cautious as possible here, so that you can keep your account.
  4. Along with 3, be sure to still be communicating with pings. You can provide sufficient communication in the game through pings. Most games I play, basically the only form of communication is pings. Barely anybody says anything relevant in chat anyhow.

I'd like to add a few more tips

  1. If you're on a losing streak and/or going on tilt, take a break. Grab something to eat, go for a walk, just something to cool down and give yourself some space so the bad games aren't as immediate in your mind.

  2. If you need to rage about something, figure out a way to do it that doesn't involve typing it into chat. Scream at the computer, hit a pillow. Getting mad is fine. Taking it out on other players isn't.

  3. If you listen to music while playing, take a look at the type of music you use. Listening to "angry at the world, lets kill everyone" music might appear a good way to get pumped up to play, but it also primes you to get angry.

  4. Look for reasons to say Good Job. If you've gotten used to watching for teamates' mistakes, simply letting it go is going to be incredibly difficult. If you replace what you're looking for, you aren't making a massive change to your gameplay style, but the focus shifts towards positive interactions instead of negative. GJ (Good Job), Good Kill, and TY (Thank you) are probably the three most common phrases I type into chat. It's really amazing how much those three phrases diffuse problems, and encourage teamworks.

Jamaree2 votes

Not fully sure to be honest.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

You're living on the edge.

shaiith1 votes

Once a year, on Christmas, someone checks how many times you've been naughty and how many times you've been nice.

Seriously though, if you've been banned for feeding, showing results in improving your play will also show you're not trolling. Afterwards if you have let's say 3 bad games in a row on the same day, it will be considered a slump; everyone has bad days. If you have multiple bad days in a row, then you'll be considered to be feeding on purpose and banned for a longer period or for good.

But if theoretically like you say are banned after 3000 good matches and a bad one, then theoretically screw them. Plenty of other games in the market if this one doesn't know how to keep its players.

Korillo1 votes

You could not be toxic then your question wouldn't be necessary because you'd have nothing to worry about.

Axests1 votes

Basically you're going to be on riot's shit list since you've been banned for being toxic before. So yes you should be worried about getting banned again, and try to control yourself in game, if you can't then turning off your chat might be for the best.

nerak231 votes

OP: a real answer is you as yet are permma-banned and that means you can work this down...

I won't say it will be easy or quick but you can work it off, I'm not sure how the punishment system deals with a strike below permma...what I do know is with time/amount of games played you could work it down.

Good Luck with that and if anyone knows how to help OP I'd like to hear it just to learn...Blue, Red...anyone one who has actually proven knowledge can we get an answer ?

Again OP I believe it's possible...hard to do but very possible :) Hope this helps a bit.

nerak231 votes

And even if he just say nothing at a whole game, it is considered also unsportsmanslike.

Yeah, misleading !! You can say Nothing the whole game and still be toxic :)

The crybaby I see Most on the boards and in game are the one's being rude....People want to call out players for reporting legitimate things and make them feel like they are the one in the wrong.

Fact is rules are there everyone agree's to them: If someone breaks the rules Hit that report button and don't be intimidated not to.

If someone is truly doing nothing wrong then they won't get punished !! Don't believe rhetoric !

Icestar11861 votes

Feeding Justified

lolnope.

Glad you've decided not to be toxic, though.

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