Received a completely unfair 14-day ban for 1 game of chat

dammaan·Aug 4, 2017·2 votes·1,865 views

Just received a 14 day insta-ban (was in que for next game when i received it) for the following chat in the game below. I was the jungler Yes it is the only game that was listed. I'm not claiming to be a saint but come on Riot this is just plain stupid. Of course you can't read the back and forth from the game but it should be clear that I was not simply raging and being toxic to everyone. Read the chat below and decide for yourself if this is a fair punishment. What is particularly funny is the last lines when it is clear now that nobody read the chat before i received my ban. Game 1 dammaan: ty dammaan: gj dammaan: so gnar adc isnt a thing huh? dammaan: im come top with my ult dammaan: please report ilio dammaan: too stupid to play ranked dammaan: u fkcing recalled right when i said i was ganking dumbfck dammaan: swain i hope u win with them dammaan: i know im not boosting this piece of dirt iliao dammaan: 0/2 what cant hear u dammaan: 0/2 why u talking dammaan: losing to an adc with no mobilty dammaan: lol idiots dammaan: no brah u should stop talking completely dammaan: and go practice dammaan: 0/3 dammaan: its ok vel im report you too so dammaan: like i said vel im reporting you too since u want to be toxic thats cool dammaan: oh and u still 0/3 dammaan: 0/4 dammaan: but go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok dammaan: no i was point out how ilio is not a team player dammaan: 29:53 dammaan: are we reporting ilio for not helping or not dammaan: so ilio u just gonna sit in base dammaan: gnar u r the one who went adc gnar and fed so please dammaan: lol too bad they read the chat kid dammaan: no u didnt kid

55 Comments

TXO ParzivalAug 4, 201711 votes

"Received a completely unfair 14-day ban for 1 game of chat"

No, you clearly broke the summoners code by harassing someone over their score, as well as spamming "Reported/Report please".

zPOOPzAug 4, 20178 votes

You spent nearly the entire game harassing your team and you think your punishment is unfair? Read it from your teammates point of view and tell me you shouldn't be punished.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

As explained elsewhere 28 TOTAL lines of chat in a game of over 30 minutes is hardly a flame fest. I know its hard to tell from the context but most of the chat is directed at Vel from the other team. So no I didn't spend the entire time harassing my team.

"Read it from your teammates point of view and tell me you shouldn't be punished." Thank you for making my point for me. I am not arguing that my chat was all sunshine and rainbows but for God's sake if what I said was that offensive to you THE REAL WORLD MUST REALLY SUCK FOR YOU! My whole point has been that the League community needs to toughen up and stop being such a bunch of pussies. My god they are only words. I wasn't using homophobic or racist language I called someone out for not being a team player and another person for being bad. It was the truth. Remember this was a ranked game that mattered to me so yes I was fired up that Illiao was being a douche and not helping anyone else on his team.

If this is the new standard for punishing people for being toxic then they better make sure that they are punishing a player every time they type KYS in chat. That is a whole lot worse than anything I said.

Silent GravityAug 4, 20175 votes

There are only 4 lines in there that aren't reportably negative. If you've had previous punishments, like a 25 game chat restriction in the past 6 months, it would be very normal for your next punishment to be a 14 day ban.

TXO ParzivalAug 4, 20173 votes

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There are only 4 lines in there that aren't reportably negative. If you've had previous punishments, like a 25 game chat restriction in the past 6 months, it would be very normal for your next punishment to be a 14 day ban.

These 4?

"dammaan: ty dammaan: gj dammaan: so gnar adc isnt a thing huh? dammaan: im come top with my ult"

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Well at the risk of being toxic I have to ask if you know how to count NOG? Here are 4 more lines that are reportable, really?

dammaan: but go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok dammaan: 29:53 dammaan: so ilio u just gonna sit in base dammaan: gnar u r the one who went adc gnar and fed so please

TXO ParzivalAug 10, 20171 votes

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Well at the risk of being toxic I have to ask if you know how to count NOG? Here are 4 more lines that are reportable, really?

dammaan: but go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok dammaan: 29:53 dammaan: so ilio u just gonna sit in base dammaan: gnar u r the one who went adc gnar and fed so please

I mean, If you want to act like that, you deserved the ban. I was being nice when i was pointing out what lines ARE NOT TOXIC.

Have a good day.

Enjoy your 9 more days.

dammaanAug 10, 20171 votes

And another data point supporting my claim that the League community is mostly just pussies and wimps that have thin-skin and will run to mommy(Riot) anytime anyone is mean to them. Sorry I did not recognize how nice you were being maybe next time make your intentions a little clearer. Love the last comment very mature of you. Are you like 12?

TerozuAug 5, 20174 votes

As short as this is, I highly doubt you didn't leave stuff out.

dammaanAug 7, 20171 votes

Funny you should say that but that is part of my point that I don't talk much and that chat text posted is the ENTIRE text with no changes.

TheEvilQueen135Aug 7, 20174 votes

you called someone a dumbfk and threatening and asking for reports in chat is reportable because it is unsportsmanlike. also they don't care what they said to you and they look at context to some extent. it's about your behavior not theirs

BeyondLiesRuinAug 8, 20174 votes

i see you trying to argue that this ban was unfair and that people need to take some trash talk. however, the reality is that everything you said in that chat, is completely unneccessary. Even if your dealing with a feeding player, making comments like that do absolutely nothing. They wont fix the problem, and they wont make them stop. In other words, you talk to hear yourself talk and for whatever reason feel better about yourself. So it has nothing to do with the fact that the LoL community needs to lighten up or will never be taken seriously, its that your chat has 0 purpose other than to make you look like a tool. 14 day ban is warranted.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Wow now you can get banned for meaningless talk? Sorry dude if you don't like the "unnecessary" chat but are you REALLY trying to say that it justifies a 14 day ban. I am thinking that you may be more upset about something else. Like it or not trash talk is a part of competition and fortunately in LOL there is a mute button. I am glad that you agree with me that my mindless jabbering was not truly toxic but then to say I deserve the ban because my chat had "0 purpose" and made me "look like a tool"??? I didn't realize that being a tool was against the summoners code. Thanks for at least admitting it wasn't toxic.

TXO ParzivalAug 4, 20173 votes

I mean, Yes we know we cant see what they said, BUTTTTT It doesnt matter. You were the toxic one in our point of view.

rip john shelbyAug 4, 20173 votes

I am pretty sure that he will post another thread in 2 weeks...

dammaanAug 6, 20172 votes

Wow so my comments were so toxic that I deserve a 14-day ban. Well I guess we know that LOL will never be taken seriously outside our community huh. What a joke the rest of the world must think the LOL community is when comments like "idiots" is considered toxic. Maybe it was the "go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok" comment that really put it over the top wow how could I have been so insensitive. Show me a real sport that doesn't allow trash talking. This is why League will never get serious consideration as a sport. As it stands right now poker is more of a sport than League. I have to admit that I do find it pretty funny that even though it is very simple to mute someone there is no expectation that anyone should actually have to use the mute button. If I was so toxic to my teammate Illiao why didn't he/she just mute me or if Velkoz from the other team was so hurt by my comments isn't that what the mute button is for? If this is TRULY the level of harassment that is not acceptable in ranked League play then I will continue to not spend any money on this game. Final note: it is easy to read these comments out of context and say wow how toxic but considering this was over a 30 minute game I have a feeling it would not seem nearly as toxic if the full content of the conversation was included. That may even be why Riot doesn't publish the entire text from chat.

zPOOPzAug 6, 20174 votes

#FeelsPassiveAggressiveMan

dammaanAug 7, 20171 votes

LMAO of course it does because u have nothing to refute what I'm saying so you attack the person. That's cool. Good thing u didn't do it in a game huh or you would be labeled toxic. But hey I bet you feel better about yourself now don't you.

TwinkieProAug 8, 20173 votes

IRONY: CALLING A PLAYER KID

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Oh is calling someone a kid an insult? If you are acting like a little kid instead of an adult why would I not assume you are a kid?

TwinkieProAug 8, 20172 votes

How about reply to the many others that refute then? Or do you not have a rebuttal in the slightest? Knowing you're pea brain, you'll attack me first instead of actually defending yourself.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Please explain your comments. I have read them several times and they still don't make any sense. My whole argument is that the sum total of all the chat posted is not deserving of a 14 day ban. I don't have to refute anything I admit I said what was in chat. My point is that if the LOL community agrees that the ban was justified then maybe we deserve the reputation of being a bunch of wimps that cry every time someone is mean to us.

TwinkieProAug 8, 20171 votes

You're the one who can't handle a 14 day ban.

Secondly, In reply to the other post, I was stating it was ironic for you to call another player "kid" when it is you who is acting childish. Clearly you are too young to sense such irony.

dammaanAug 9, 20171 votes

Lol last time I respond to you because for the second time you have chosen to attack me instead of refuting my arguments. For the record your comment in no way was helpful or added to the conversation I think I will report you my feelings are hurt. Well at least I fit into the community now.

TwinkieProAug 9, 20171 votes

Just showing what it's like to be you kid.

DrugothAug 8, 20172 votes

What I'm seeing in this chat log is an impressive display of the ability to press the tab key and the subsequent non-constructive reminders about how you are such a better player than whoever's score you're quoting. Grow up and take some responsibility for your dickishness. Why don't you try communicating with your team proactively instead? If you think you're so good, take the lead on the battlefield, ping objectives, strategize and execute plays.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Well that is what Riot would like you to believe and that's why they don't publish the other comments. If the other comments were in there then you would have read how Velkoz berated me and called me bad after I was critical of Illiao for farming and recalling while I ganked for him and died. You would have also seen Illiao telling me how stupid I was for ganking in the first place. Sure if you read the comments with no context then you can make them support any position you want. Lol my "dickishness" be careful or you will get banned to for being toxic. After all you just called me a dick so I can report you and get you punished too right. Oh wait maybe I should be a man and not a little kid about it and just GET OVER IT. This is my whole point that you folks are just proving for me. This community is a bunch of little bitches that go crying to mommy (Riot) as soon as someone says something mean to them. Be man or an adult at least and get over yourself. That was my point that life is really gonna suck for you people if you don't get thicker skin.

YerroFeverAug 8, 20171 votes

Remember two things:

Punishments are based on frequency and severity. Both factors raise the level of punishments you get. The more heinous your offense is, the more severe your punishment is. The more frequently you commit your offenses, the more severe your punishments are. Either factor can lead to a permaban. Don't think you need to be a frequent offender to be permabanned. You can be permabanned on one really bad offense.
You are responsible for your own actions and language. The best thing for you to do is find better coping mechanisms for people being jerks to you in game.

Also.... if you got 9 people reporting you, you must have brought it into all chat or clearly inted, trolled, and/or afked. Don't bring your drama to all chat. It just makes it worse.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

This is my point. When the 14 day ban screen popped up and the text of the offending chat was posted what I have inserted above was ALL THE CHAT THAT WAS THERE. Yes the chat above is the ENTIRE justification that Riot provided for giving me a 14 day suspension. I am sure that many of you think there must be more to it but that is exactly my point. THERE IS NOTHING MORE. The fact that many of you say there has to be more only proves my point that from the evidence I have presented you agree that the 14 day ban was not justified. It amazes me that nobody can simply say it. I stead people say things like "Punishments are based on frequency and severity." Well how severe was my raging in the posted chat? Obviously not very severe. How frequent was it? Well it couldn't be that frequent since they only included the chat from 1 game! If you think I am hiding something then say that but at least admit that based on what I have shown you this ban was completely unjustified.

YerroFeverAug 8, 20171 votes

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This is my point. When the 14 day ban screen popped up and the text of the offending chat was posted what I have inserted above was ALL THE CHAT THAT WAS THERE. Yes the chat above is the ENTIRE justification that Riot provided for giving me a 14 day suspension. I am sure that many of you think there must be more to it but that is exactly my point. THERE IS NOTHING MORE. The fact that many of you say there has to be more only proves my point that from the evidence I have presented you agree that the 14 day ban was not justified. It amazes me that nobody can simply say it. I stead people say things like "Punishments are based on frequency and severity." Well how severe was my raging in the posted chat? Obviously not very severe. How frequent was it? Well it couldn't be that frequent since they only included the chat from 1 game! If you think I am hiding something then say that but at least admit that based on what I have shown you this ban was completely unjustified.

If you don't understand I'll show you where you've done things wrong.

dammaan: ty dammaan: gj dammaan: so gnar adc isnt a thing huh? dammaan: im come top with my ult dammaan: please report ilio dammaan: too stupid to play ranked

Normally asking for reports isn't punishable, but you used it as a jumping off point to start harassing someone and said they were too stupid to play ranked.

dammaan: u fkcing recalled right when i said i was ganking dumbfck

Stop calling people names. This is another offense.

dammaan: swain i hope u win with them

Question: Is swain on the other team?

dammaan: i know im not boosting this piece of dirt iliao

Again, don't insult people

dammaan: 0/2 what cant hear u

Stop flaming

dammaan: 0/2 why u talking

Seriously, stop flaming

dammaan: losing to an adc with no mobilty

I mean it, stop flaming

dammaan: lol idiots

Come on.... You're continuing it?

dammaan: no brah u should stop talking completely dammaan: and go practice

Seriously?

dammaan: 0/3

Really?? How much more flaming and harassing are you going to do?

dammaan: its ok vel im report you too so dammaan: like i said vel im reporting you too since u want to be toxic thats cool dammaan: oh and u still 0/3

Holy macaroni... I expected this to be over...

dammaan: 0/4

Nope... The flaming and harassing continues

dammaan: but go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok dammaan: no i was point out how ilio is not a team player

You still flaming and it's really ironic that you're accusing someone else of not being a team player after what you've said above...

dammaan: 29:53 dammaan: are we reporting ilio for not helping or not dammaan: so ilio u just gonna sit in base dammaan: gnar u r the one who went adc gnar and fed so please dammaan: lol too bad they read the chat kid dammaan: no u didnt kid

It is too bad for you that they read the chat. It's what got you punished. Whether they punished the other players on your team is a separate issue. You get punished for your words and actions.

EDIT: You harassed your team a lot in this one game. I think they needed to come down on you because you have to learn that it's not acceptable behavior. You may want to characterize your rage as not severe, but I think you are a pretty severe rager.

dammaanAug 8, 20171 votes

Wow this is a great example of taking things out of context for your own use. Have you ever heard the saying "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose." I am being totally serious about this question, "Do you know what trash talking is?". The reason I ask is because the ONLY player on MY team that I said anything to was Illiao after he screwed me over on my gank. For some reason you feel the need to claim that me saying Illiao "isn't a team player" is me flaming? Really so pointing out that he hasn't helped us in team fights and has spent much of the time sitting in base doesn't justify the comment? Seriously HOW FRAGILE are you that you cant take some HONEST criticism? Like I have said several times before the real world is really GONNA SUCK for these type of people. Pointing out that our ADC was Gnar and that bot lane went a combined 4/13 is also so toxic? This was a ranked game and the results mattered so yes I think that Gnar deserved to be called out on his FAILED NON-META EXPERIMENT.

All the other comments were in response to THEIR team talking shit to me. If you want to say that is no excuse for being toxic my response to that is I WASN'T being toxic I was TALKING SHIT BACK to them. Like I said in one of my first posts if the language I used is SO toxic that it deserves a 14 day ban then the League community really are the wimps and pussies everyone thinks we are. Have you ever played an online sports game like Madden Football? If you think what I said in chat was bad you would be in tears playing Madden.

Let me repeat my other main point. If we were all on curse in a team chat and I started bad mouthing my teammate what would you expect that teammate to do? Either argue back with me or just mute me. Why is there even a mute button if there is no requirement to use it? All that Riot is doing is catering to the most fragile of the Riot community.

BTW I love your edit that I harassed my team a lot in the game I had 28 lines of chat TOTAL in a game that lasted over 30 minutes but that is considered a lot of harassment. All I can say to your comment is "Wow Just wow"

YerroFeverAug 8, 20171 votes

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Wow this is a great example of taking things out of context for your own use. Have you ever heard the saying "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose." I am being totally serious about this question, "Do you know what trash talking is?". The reason I ask is because the ONLY player on MY team that I said anything to was Illiao after he screwed me over on my gank. For some reason you feel the need to claim that me saying Illiao "isn't a team player" is me flaming? Really so pointing out that he hasn't helped us in team fights and has spent much of the time sitting in base doesn't justify the comment? Seriously HOW FRAGILE are you that you cant take some HONEST criticism? Like I have said several times before the real world is really GONNA SUCK for these type of people. Pointing out that our ADC was Gnar and that bot lane went a combined 4/13 is also so toxic? This was a ranked game and the results mattered so yes I think that Gnar deserved to be called out on his FAILED NON-META EXPERIMENT.

You should read the Merchant of Venice before you quote it. I'm not quoting scripture to produce a holy witness for an evil soul. I'm quoting an evil soul to demonstrate how evil that soul is.

Everything is out of context because it's not provided for us however, regardless of context, WHAT you say is still under scrutiny and HOW you say things is examined. There's a line between trash talking and harassing. Clearly you chose to believe that you didn't cross that line. However, Riot clearly believes you did.

There are better ways to point out that Gnar ADC doesn't work. You chose to harass them about it rather than try to be cooperative and figure out a better way to do it. Constructive criticism is "I guess the procs on mini gnar don't make up for his champ design and makes him an ineffective ADC" vs "0/2 what can't hear you" and "0/2 why u talking" and "0/3" and more lines of text you provided.

Your version of "constructive criticism" does not align with Riot's, and the vast majority of the people who have commented on your post as they seem to agree with Riot's decision to punish you.

All the other comments were in response to THEIR team talking shit to me. If you want to say that is no excuse for being toxic my response to that is I WASN'T being toxic I was TALKING SHIT BACK to them. Like I said in one of my first posts if the language I used is SO toxic that it deserves a 14 day ban then the League community really are the wimps and pussies everyone thinks we are. Have you ever played an online sports game like Madden Football? If you think what I said in chat was bad you would be in tears playing Madden.

The LOL community is different from other communities and Riot wants to create a very specific kind of community. If you don't like it, you can leave this community and find another game to play. Riot has said many times before that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

Also, it's clear that you are toxic because you just called the League community "wimps and pussies." Just because people don't tolerate your harassment does not make them wimps and pussies. Just because you cannot talk to people however you like and belittle them however you like, does not mean there's something wrong with the community. It's far more likely that as you are a minority in the league community (ie someone who is being punished), there is something wrong with how you interact with people.

You are still probably too self centered to actually take the above seriously and will most likely call me names and dismiss it.

Let me repeat my other main point. If we were all on curse in a team chat and I started bad mouthing my teammate what would you expect that teammate to do? Either argue back with me or just mute me. Why is there even a mute button if there is no requirement to use it? All that Riot is doing is catering to the most fragile of the Riot community.

Your main point is that people should mute you because you're being toxic to them.

Riot's point is that just because someone can mute you, it does not justify being toxic to people. Mute is a remedial measure.

This is actually a better place for your Merchant of Venice quote. Riot says that rather than be toxic back to someone, you should mute them.

You could quote them and say that muting someone is the solution to toxicity and thus you should not be punished... which is actually what you are saying.

BTW I love your edit that I harassed my team a lot in the game I had 28 lines of chat TOTAL in a game that lasted over 30 minutes but that is considered a lot of harassment. All I can say to your comment is "Wow Just wow"

Virtually every line of text was harassment. 5 of 28 I would say were not harassment. 23 of 28 were harassment. If you typed a lot more that wasn't harassing, I wouldn't have characterized it as such. However, the proportion of your harassment to non harassment weighs heavily towards harassment.

Anything else you would like to address?

dammaanAug 9, 20171 votes

Thanks for proving my point. I don't know where you live but in America we learn that freedom of speech means having to put up with people saying things you don't like to hear. I am not claiming that what I said was nice or pleasant to hear but so what. If you don't like it ignore it. You use words like "flaming" and "harassment" and my main point has been that you have no idea what true flaming or harassment is. Once again you have proven my point that if you REALLY believe what I said is so toxic then you are going to have a terrible life ahead of you. You do realize that your boss can call you an idiot or a moron and you can't go crying to HR right? He or she can tell you that your work sucks and that you are clueless and you can't sue him/her for being mean to you. Life is about learning to get over shit and move forward. Clearly my point is lost on you and I can accept that. I have a feeling that your sheltered entitled life will at some point run up against real adversity and I wish you well in dealing with it.

YerroFeverAug 9, 20171 votes

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Thanks for proving my point. I don't know where you live but in America we learn that freedom of speech means having to put up with people saying things you don't like to hear. I am not claiming that what I said was nice or pleasant to hear but so what. If you don't like it ignore it. You use words like "flaming" and "harassment" and my main point has been that you have no idea what true flaming or harassment is. Once again you have proven my point that if you REALLY believe what I said is so toxic then you are going to have a terrible life ahead of you. You do realize that your boss can call you an idiot or a moron and you can't go crying to HR right? He or she can tell you that your work sucks and that you are clueless and you can't sue him/her for being mean to you. Life is about learning to get over shit and move forward. Clearly my point is lost on you and I can accept that. I have a feeling that your sheltered entitled life will at some point run up against real adversity and I wish you well in dealing with it.

**First: Your incredibly ignorant statement about the first amendment: ** Here in America, we have this thing called the Constitution which says that Congress shall not infringe.

Here in America, Congress means the government.

Here in America, private companies like Riot, are not required to follow the first amendment.

If you want to tell me about what America and American law is like, please know something about it.

Second: Your issue about calling things harassment and flaming

What you don't realize is that your definition of flaming and harassment are not what everyone else deems flaming and harassment.

You actually can go to HR and tell them that your boss called you a moron and you can also tell them that it is why you are quitting your job there because you don't want to be in a workplace environment where harassment is the norm.

The difference between the work place environment and game is that you're a captive audience during the game, which is why Riot gives you the option to mute people and mute pings and block afterwards. That's the equivalent of you going to HR and telling them that you no longer want to have any other interactions with the person.

Third: Your point about suing for being mean to you

Actually, there is a civil tort called harassment. You can sue them IF their actions meet the specific criteria laid out by the law that triggers the level of punishment, which usually comes in the form of monetary damages and/or restraining orders and in the worst case scenario, jail time for contempt of court for violating the restraining orders.

Just like how you can be punished in LOL if your harassment rises up to the level of punishment as deemed by Riot.

You're the one who is actually having the shit fit because you're facing adversity. You're facing the consequences of your actions and you don't like it. It's so ironic that you're projecting EVERYTHING you say on me. Not only have you messed up your Merchant of Venice quote, you have also messed up your understanding of the first amendment, you have also messed up your understanding of how society works in general, and you also messed up your understanding of how rules, regulations, and laws work.

Every single thing you accuse me of, is actually a flaw you have.

You say I'm having trouble with adversity... just look at how you are reacting to this situation. You're stomping your feet and crying that you didn't get your way. Whenever someone says anything that disagrees with you, you insult their intelligence and dismiss everything because it doesn't agree with you.

dammaanAug 10, 20171 votes

Wow I have to admit that you couldn't have missed my point more if you tried. What I have been saying on all of these threads is that my chat did not rise to the level of toxicity that should have been punished with a 14 day ban. That's all. I have to admit that I am shocked to find out that all the comments on this string have agreed with the ban. Granted it is a relatively small sample size but it is the only evidence I have to go on. Based on this evidence I have concluded that the LOL community is in fact populated by thin skinned pussies that can not stand up for themselves but instead go running to mommy(Riot) to protect them. I know that now and will act accordingly. When I sit back and think about it only makes sense that the people playing League probably spent a lot of time getting picked on in school and feeling bad about themselves and not out interacting with other people and playing team sports. I get it now. Don't be mean or talk trash or risk hurting someone's feeling and get banned. I'm not sure why you think I am having a shit fit. For some reason you think when someone disagrees with you it means they are crying and stomping their feet. I guess it never crossed your mind that you could just be wrong. Here is a test take what I said on my prior post and your response to some people who can be impartial and ask them if your response seams appropriate to my post. Ask them to review your rebuttals and determine if you are in fact rebutting my point or something I did not even say. I recommend you do it as a personal point of development for yourself. What they say really isn't of interest to me but maybe you could learn something from a little introspection.

YerroFeverAug 10, 20171 votes

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Wow I have to admit that you couldn't have missed my point more if you tried. What I have been saying on all of these threads is that my chat did not rise to the level of toxicity that should have been punished with a 14 day ban. That's all. I have to admit that I am shocked to find out that all the comments on this string have agreed with the ban. Granted it is a relatively small sample size but it is the only evidence I have to go on. Based on this evidence I have concluded that the LOL community is in fact populated by thin skinned pussies that can not stand up for themselves but instead go running to mommy(Riot) to protect them. I know that now and will act accordingly. When I sit back and think about it only makes sense that the people playing League probably spent a lot of time getting picked on in school and feeling bad about themselves and not out interacting with other people and playing team sports. I get it now. Don't be mean or talk trash or risk hurting someone's feeling and get banned. I'm not sure why you think I am having a shit fit. For some reason you think when someone disagrees with you it means they are crying and stomping their feet. I guess it never crossed your mind that you could just be wrong. Here is a test take what I said on my prior post and your response to some people who can be impartial and ask them if your response seams appropriate to my post. Ask them to review your rebuttals and determine if you are in fact rebutting my point or something I did not even say. I recommend you do it as a personal point of development for yourself. What they say really isn't of interest to me but maybe you could learn something from a little introspection.

You say everyone misses the point because you don't want to admit everyone has actually pegged you for it and you want to try and make everyone think they don't understand you and then magically change their mind and say "oh I guess I don't understand you so I'm going to change my answer from yes you should be punished to maybe you shouldn't." This is a terrible debate tactic because rather than explain your position better, all you do is try to chop at the base of someone else's opinion. Unfortunately, your position stands on a base of twigs while everyone else's are on a base of stone. You should be trying to explain why your position isn't on twigs and why yours is stronger than stone and is concrete reinforced with steel rebar.

However, you don't. You keep on your twig base and tell people they don't understand and even worse, you call them stupid, you call them thin skinned, you call them wimps, and you call them pussies. People say ad hominem attacks are the refuge of the thoughtless, IE not only are you thoughtless as in you don't think before you speak, you are thoughtless as in you have no thoughts to communicate.

Rather than actually address WHY something misses the point, you just claim it does. Unfortunately that tactic does not work when you actually read what has been said, which is also the main reason why I do quoted replies now. People have gone back and edited their replies and changed what they wrote and claimed they said something different and later when they get called out, they delete the comments or lately now they delete the thread because they can't escape their own quotes.

I could continue to dig into your communication style and how you actually try to deflect and redirect when you're backed into a corner, but lets go back to the actual issue in that you still feel like you don't deserve a 14 day ban because of this one game.

Remember my first post where you're punished based on frequency and severity? Yeah, that's addressing you from post 1. You don't seem to understand it and so you keep saying everyone is missing the point.

You say that this isn't at the level of a 14 day ban. Based on how much you harassed in this game alone and how you describe your own behavior as "trash talking" and keep referring to people as "thin skinned" "wimps and pussies," I am fairly certain that you've already had chat restrictions before and that you've been warned that your next punishment will be a 14 day ban.

You keep dismissing it from everyone who says your chat is toxic. By observing your behavior and reading your responses, I know that you don't believe your language is toxic and I know you don't think you deserve the 14 day ban, however, clearly people here think you do and so does Riot.

In fact, I actually state it again in a later response:

{quoted} Second: Your issue about calling things harassment and flaming

What you don't realize is that your definition of flaming and harassment are not what everyone else deems flaming and harassment.

You continue to say that I miss your point however, you completely ignore what is being said. What Riot and also what people here call flaming and harassment, you call "trash talking" to "thin skinned" "wimps and pussies."

Based on how you respond and describe your actions, it's HIGHLY likely that you talk like this to people in game, if you rage, and this is most likely not your first punishment.

Lets circle back to the first post I made in this thread

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Remember two things:

Punishments are based on frequency and severity. Both factors raise the level of punishments you get. The more heinous your offense is, the more severe your punishment is. The more frequently you commit your offenses, the more severe your punishments are. Either factor can lead to a permaban. Don't think you need to be a frequent offender to be permabanned. You can be permabanned on one really bad offense.

You are responsible for your own actions and language. The best thing for you to do is find better coping mechanisms for people being jerks to you in game.

Also.... if you got 9 people reporting you, you must have brought it into all chat or clearly inted, trolled, and/or afked. Don't bring your drama to all chat. It just makes it worse.

Frequency and Severity are both weights that go into the scale for a punishment. Imagine those old time balance scales where you put an item on one side and then put weights in on the other to determine how much the object weighs.

On the offense side, you put in frequency and severity. On punishment side, you put those lbs weights to find out how much the offenses weigh.

Lets put a hypothetical number on this scale:

1-3 lbs of Offense = 5 game chat restriction

4-5 lbs of Offense = 10 game chat restriction

6-10 lbs of Offense = 14 day ban

11+ lbs of Offense = Permaban

Say you get 2 lbs for each time you "trash talked" to "thin skinned" "wimps and pussies," or as everyone else says flames and harasses people.

These scales don't get reset back to 0 each time you get punished. This is why I said your punishments get based on severity and frequency. Your punishments are cumulative.

First time you flame and harass you get 2 lbs and your punishment is determined to be a 5 game chat restriction.

Second time you flame and harass, you get another 2 lbs and your punishment weight is now 4 lbs. 10 game chat restriction.

Third time you flame and harass, you get another 2 lbs and your punishment weight is 6 lbs. However, because the lighter punishments don't work on you, they add an extra 3 lbs because you're a recidivist flamer and harasser. That puts you at 9 lbs. Look at that, you're now hit with a 14 day ban and your warning tells you that the next time you flame and harass, you will be permabanned (because they'll add in 1 lbs for the minimum for any offense, and then add in another 1 lbs for recidivism, which will put you into the permaban land). You still only flamed and harassed once since your last punishment and only got reported for one game... but you're in a 14 day ban.

And then you post on the forums to tell everyone and Riot that they're "thin skinned" "wimps and pussies" and insult everyone who responds here?

Let me also further prove that you read only what you want to read.

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This is my point. When the 14 day ban screen popped up and the text of the offending chat was posted what I have inserted above was ALL THE CHAT THAT WAS THERE. Yes the chat above is the ENTIRE justification that Riot provided for giving me a 14 day suspension. I am sure that many of you think there must be more to it but that is exactly my point. THERE IS NOTHING MORE. The fact that many of you say there has to be more only proves my point that from the evidence I have presented you agree that the 14 day ban was not justified. It amazes me that nobody can simply say it. I stead people say things like "Punishments are based on frequency and severity." Well how severe was my raging in the posted chat? Obviously not very severe. How frequent was it? Well it couldn't be that frequent since they only included the chat from 1 game! If you think I am hiding something then say that but at least admit that based on what I have shown you this ban was completely unjustified.

You say that I claim there is more, however, that was your first response to me.

I never said there was more to your chat log. You made that up. You created a strawman argument. You fabricated this idea that I said there was more to your chat log. You proved nothing except that you make up things and say them to make yourself right in your mind.

YerroFeverAug 10, 20171 votes

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I'm not sure why you think I am having a shit fit. For some reason you think when someone disagrees with you it means they are crying and stomping their feet. I guess it never crossed your mind that you could just be wrong. Here is a test take what I said on my prior post and your response to some people who can be impartial and ask them if your response seams appropriate to my post. Ask them to review your rebuttals and determine if you are in fact rebutting my point or something I did not even say. I recommend you do it as a personal point of development for yourself. What they say really isn't of interest to me but maybe you could learn something from a little introspection.

Lets just have a little introspection here. This won't just include responses to me but responses to other people:

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And another data point supporting my claim that the League community is mostly just pussies and wimps that have thin-skin and will run to mommy(Riot) anytime anyone is mean to them. Sorry I did not recognize how nice you were being maybe next time make your intentions a little clearer. Love the last comment very mature of you. Are you like 12?

Rather than actually have a discussion, you call people 12, pussies and wimps when they disagree with you.

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I never claimed to be a "good person". My point was that my chat wasn't so toxic as to rise to the level of deserving a 14 day ban. As I have said all along if that single game of chat deserves a 14 day ban then the LOL community really is pretty pathetic in my mind. Life will really suck for you guys good luck with that,

At least you're self aware that you aren't a good person. Too bad you ignore everyone else when they talk about how unacceptable your language is and also that it's based on how many times you've been punished before in addition to how severe your offense is. Oh wait, no I'm still missing the point because I'm a pussy and wimp.

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Thanks for proving my point. I don't know where you live but in America we learn that freedom of speech means having to put up with people saying things you don't like to hear. I am not claiming that what I said was nice or pleasant to hear but so what. If you don't like it ignore it. You use words like "flaming" and "harassment" and my main point has been that you have no idea what true flaming or harassment is. Once again you have proven my point that if you REALLY believe what I said is so toxic then you are going to have a terrible life ahead of you. You do realize that your boss can call you an idiot or a moron and you can't go crying to HR right? He or she can tell you that your work sucks and that you are clueless and you can't sue him/her for being mean to you. Life is about learning to get over shit and move forward. Clearly my point is lost on you and I can accept that. I have a feeling that your sheltered entitled life will at some point run up against real adversity and I wish you well in dealing with it.

Oh wait no, I'm a stupid pussy and wimp.

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Lol last time I respond to you because for the second time you have chosen to attack me instead of refuting my arguments. For the record your comment in no way was helpful or added to the conversation I think I will report you my feelings are hurt. Well at least I fit into the community now.

You're upset that people attack you instead of refuting your arguments? WTF? When have you actually refuted other people's arguments and not attacked them?

Your example of refuting an argument is "you missed my point" and you not attacking people is calling them stupid, wimps, and pussies.

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Wow now you can get banned for meaningless talk? Sorry dude if you don't like the "unnecessary" chat but are you REALLY trying to say that it justifies a 14 day ban. I am thinking that you may be more upset about something else. Like it or not trash talk is a part of competition and fortunately in LOL there is a mute button. I am glad that you agree with me that my mindless jabbering was not truly toxic but then to say I deserve the ban because my chat had "0 purpose" and made me "look like a tool"??? I didn't realize that being a tool was against the summoners code. Thanks for at least admitting it wasn't toxic.

This above is a clear example of how you refute people's points right?

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Well that is what Riot would like you to believe and that's why they don't publish the other comments. If the other comments were in there then you would have read how Velkoz berated me and called me bad after I was critical of Illiao for farming and recalling while I ganked for him and died. You would have also seen Illiao telling me how stupid I was for ganking in the first place. Sure if you read the comments with no context then you can make them support any position you want. Lol my "dickishness" be careful or you will get banned to for being toxic. After all you just called me a dick so I can report you and get you punished too right. Oh wait maybe I should be a man and not a little kid about it and just GET OVER IT. This is my whole point that you folks are just proving for me. This community is a bunch of little bitches that go crying to mommy (Riot) as soon as someone says something mean to them. Be man or an adult at least and get over yourself. That was my point that life is really gonna suck for you people if you don't get thicker skin.

This is a clear example of how you don't go after people because you never call them kids, you don't call them "little bitches" and you don't say they need "thicker skin"

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Please explain your comments. I have read them several times and they still don't make any sense. My whole argument is that the sum total of all the chat posted is not deserving of a 14 day ban. I don't have to refute anything I admit I said what was in chat. My point is that if the LOL community agrees that the ban was justified then maybe we deserve the reputation of being a bunch of wimps that cry every time someone is mean to us.

Right you never do that.

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Sorry but I don't see where I threatened anyone. And calling someone a dmbfck is worth a 14 day ban?????? Are u really offended by that? If so I guess life is really going to suck for you. Like I said earlier if that chat is worth being banned over than God help u little losers when the big bad real world kicks you guys in the dick. "Stick and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me" what's the matter kid nobody ever taught you that? Like I said the LOL community will just be another punchline to a nerd joke until people learn the difference between someone insulting them and trying to put them on tilt and true hate speech and toxic chat.

You actually refute people by saying they are wrong but with no justification except ad hominem attacks by saying people are little losers.

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Wow so my comments were so toxic that I deserve a 14-day ban. Well I guess we know that LOL will never be taken seriously outside our community huh. What a joke the rest of the world must think the LOL community is when comments like "idiots" is considered toxic. Maybe it was the "go ahead vel call me bad some more its ok" comment that really put it over the top wow how could I have been so insensitive. Show me a real sport that doesn't allow trash talking. This is why League will never get serious consideration as a sport. As it stands right now poker is more of a sport than League. I have to admit that I do find it pretty funny that even though it is very simple to mute someone there is no expectation that anyone should actually have to use the mute button. If I was so toxic to my teammate Illiao why didn't he/she just mute me or if Velkoz from the other team was so hurt by my comments isn't that what the mute button is for? If this is TRULY the level of harassment that is not acceptable in ranked League play then I will continue to not spend any money on this game. Final note: it is easy to read these comments out of context and say wow how toxic but considering this was over a 30 minute game I have a feeling it would not seem nearly as toxic if the full content of the conversation was included. That may even be why Riot doesn't publish the entire text from chat.

I guess this should have been the indicator that you wouldn't actually care to understand why you got punished. You specifically say that this community will never be taken seriously and that you think the rest of the world thinks this community is a joke. The only joke here seems to be how you are handling this.

dammaanAug 10, 20171 votes

Introspection: the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes. "quiet introspection can be extremely valuable" synonyms: self-analysis, self-examination, soul-searching, introversion, self-observation

I just wanted to point out that the whole premise for your discussion is flawed. Obviously you don't know what introspection means so I provided you with the definition. Now I am sure that you think I am attacking you by telling you that you are wrong but really I'm just trying to help educate you.

I have already said you win so I don't know why you keep arguing with me. My comments were so absolutely toxic and mean as to rise to the level of verbal abuse and I absolutely deserve my 14 day ban. Now that I have admitted that can you please admit that you are a hypersensitive pussy who was raised in an environment were you were praised for mediocrity and given participation trophy for just showing up. I know this because if you had faced even a small amount of adversity and successfully overcome it in life you would be able to see that a few mean words is not the end of the world and being around people that say and do things that are mildly offensive to you is a part of life. As I have said all along if you don't know how to just ignore things that are mildly offensive or annoying then your life is really going to suck. I have a very strong feeling that you already experience this as you seem to think my comments were HIGHLY offensive. Good luck in life you will need it.

YerroFeverAug 10, 20171 votes

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Introspection: the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes. "quiet introspection can be extremely valuable" synonyms: self-analysis, self-examination, soul-searching, introversion, self-observation

I just wanted to point out that the whole premise for your discussion is flawed. Obviously you don't know what introspection means so I provided you with the definition. Now I am sure that you think I am attacking you by telling you that you are wrong but really I'm just trying to help educate you.

I have already said you win so I don't know why you keep arguing with me. My comments were so absolutely toxic and mean as to rise to the level of verbal abuse and I absolutely deserve my 14 day ban. Now that I have admitted that can you please admit that you are a hypersensitive pussy who was raised in an environment were you were praised for mediocrity and given participation trophy for just showing up. I know this because if you had faced even a small amount of adversity and successfully overcome it in life you would be able to see that a few mean words is not the end of the world and being around people that say and do things that are mildly offensive to you is a part of life. As I have said all along if you don't know how to just ignore things that are mildly offensive or annoying then your life is really going to suck. I have a very strong feeling that you already experience this as you seem to think my comments were HIGHLY offensive. Good luck in life you will need it.

This is the crux of your argument from your first post and echoes through EVERY response. Everyone else is wrong and strange and you're the only normal one.

Keep saying that all of us are "hypersensitive pussies" and keep telling everyone is praised for mediocrity and get participation trophies. Keep telling yourself that everyone else is going to go through a sucky life because they don't agree with you. Keep dismissing people by calling them extremists so that you don't actually have to look at your own behavior and look at what kind of person you are. Keep attempting to insult people's intelligence while failing to demonstrate a basic understanding of literature, government, and sociology.

Keep up all of your behavior because that's clearly working out for you.

ModPrandineAug 11, 20171 votes

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This is the crux of your argument from your first post and echoes through EVERY response. Everyone else is wrong and strange and you're the only normal one.

Keep saying that all of us are "hypersensitive pussies" and keep telling everyone is praised for mediocrity and get participation trophies. Keep telling yourself that everyone else is going to go through a sucky life because they don't agree with you. Keep dismissing people by calling them extremists so that you don't actually have to look at your own behavior and look at what kind of person you are. Keep attempting to insult people's intelligence while failing to demonstrate a basic understanding of literature, government, and sociology.

Keep up all of your behavior because that's clearly working out for you.

Hello.

It's clear that you have strong feelings about this topic. However, let's try to refrain from using insults and name-calling when interacting with others. If this can't be done then the thread will be locked. You've been warned.

YerroFeverAug 11, 20171 votes

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Hello.

It's clear that you have strong feelings about this topic. However, let's try to refrain from using insults and name-calling when interacting with others. If this can't be done then the thread will be locked. You've been warned.

Probably better to lock the thread down because if you look at the OP's pattern of posting, in virtually every single post, he's insulting people.

ModPrandineAug 11, 20171 votes

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Introspection: the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes. "quiet introspection can be extremely valuable" synonyms: self-analysis, self-examination, soul-searching, introversion, self-observation

I just wanted to point out that the whole premise for your discussion is flawed. Obviously you don't know what introspection means so I provided you with the definition. Now I am sure that you think I am attacking you by telling you that you are wrong but really I'm just trying to help educate you.

I have already said you win so I don't know why you keep arguing with me. My comments were so absolutely toxic and mean as to rise to the level of verbal abuse and I absolutely deserve my 14 day ban. Now that I have admitted that can you please admit that you are a hypersensitive pussy who was raised in an environment were you were praised for mediocrity and given participation trophy for just showing up. I know this because if you had faced even a small amount of adversity and successfully overcome it in life you would be able to see that a few mean words is not the end of the world and being around people that say and do things that are mildly offensive to you is a part of life. As I have said all along if you don't know how to just ignore things that are mildly offensive or annoying then your life is really going to suck. I have a very strong feeling that you already experience this as you seem to think my comments were HIGHLY offensive. Good luck in life you will need it.

Hello.

VigilenteAug 8, 20171 votes

wait do you seriously think you shouldn't be punished? You think saying ty and gj as your first 2 lines in chat is going to make you a good person after what I saw from line 5 and over? You gotta be kidding

dammaanAug 9, 20171 votes

I never claimed to be a "good person". My point was that my chat wasn't so toxic as to rise to the level of deserving a 14 day ban. As I have said all along if that single game of chat deserves a 14 day ban then the LOL community really is pretty pathetic in my mind. Life will really suck for you guys good luck with that,

TXO ParzivalAug 11, 20171 votes

Maybe you think it wasn't "Super toxic" But the way you are acting right now is just showing more proof of how toxic you can, and will be.

TXO ParzivalAug 11, 20171 votes

I actually want to know, How many words he has typed. Just arguing thinking he is right and we are wrong.

TXO ParzivalAug 11, 20171 votes

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